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21-08-2019, 10:49 AM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by G B Young

National treasure Sir David Attenborough appears to be a Brexiteer:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/21/david...d-eu-10604687/

We don't like being told how much to charge for tomatoes apparently (shades of that Yes Minister episode about Europe trying to rename the good old British banger...).

I'd have had him down as more of a hands across the ocean sort, but maybe Boris Johnson should get him on board to soothe tensions.

Most of the "silly stories" he talks about turn out to be made up nonsense when actually investigated.

And a lot of them originate from one Boris Johnson, formerly Brussels correspondent of the Torygraph. :rolleyes:
21-08-2019, 12:14 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by Andy Bee

We refine 400,000 barrels of fuel a day, 30% of that is exported but I suppose the shortage scaremongering comes from London and the S/E importing fuel from the Amsterdam/Rotterdam hub because it's cheaper/easier than sourcing it from Grangemouth.

I remember the last time there was a fuel shortage (1980s) and the filling station closest to the oil refinery in Grangemouth was the last to get any. Bloody frustrating :grr:
21-08-2019, 01:17 PM
southsider

The latest Boris brainwave is just too unbelievable for words. Eire to leave the EU , join the UK in Brexit. They do rather well under the EU but are going to join up with a London Government they spent 300 years trying to get free from. You just could not make it up.
21-08-2019, 01:21 PM
Kato

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Originally Posted by southsider

The latest Boris brainwave is just too unbelievable for words. Eire to leave the EU , join the UK in Brexit. They do rather well under the EU but are going to join up with a London Government they spent 300 years trying to get free from. You just could not make it up.

He knows that. They are just footering around killing time until Halloween.
21-08-2019, 04:10 PM
Fife-Hibee

Jo Swinson has put together her A Team to halt brexit...

A team including Willie Rennie, Alistair Carmichael and Chuka Umunna.
https://www.libdems.org.uk/shadcab19

No i'm not joking....
21-08-2019, 05:07 PM
Glory Lurker

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Jeremy re-affirms his Brexiteer credentials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49405423

It makes you wonder why so little progress was made during those useless Tory/Labour cross-party talks in the dying days of May's tenure. One can only assume Corbyn wants to be the PM to deliver Brexit so couldn't countenance backing a perceived Tory deal.

He's saying he won't necessarily support remain in a second referendum. It doesn't change the plan to out Johnston, and as replacement PM call a GE in which there is pretty much guaranteed to be a majority for a second referendum.

I'm not sure what Jo Swinson thinks could be achieved otherwise before 31 October (n.b. I'm not saying GE could take place before then - my original point is that a GE being called in these circumstances might persuade EU to give us more time)
21-08-2019, 08:14 PM
G B Young

Merkel offers a chink of light to the PM:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
21-08-2019, 08:34 PM
Glory Lurker

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Merkel offers a chink of light to the PM:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674

An interesting one. An EU blink?
21-08-2019, 08:59 PM
CloudSquall

From the little I've read Germany is now struggling to fend off a possible recession, quite possible that Germany may blink to avoid further pressure on the economy.
22-08-2019, 01:37 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

An interesting one. An EU blink?

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

From the little I've read Germany is now struggling to fend off a possible recession, quite possible that Germany may blink to avoid further pressure on the economy.

I don't see any blinking at all. They're saying the same things they've been saying for months, basically What Is Your Alternative Plan?
22-08-2019, 02:10 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by southsider

The latest Boris brainwave is just too unbelievable for words. Eire to leave the EU , join the UK in Brexit. They do rather well under the EU but are going to join up with a London Government they spent 300 years trying to get free from. You just could not make it up.

Stolen from Kate Hoey, I think, that one. That's been her solution to the border problem for a long time. She may have stolen it from someone else.
22-08-2019, 09:14 PM
Moulin Yarns

New ferry from Holland to Rosyth

https://nltimes.nl/2019/08/21/scotland-proposes-new-post-brexit-ferry-route-netherlands
23-08-2019, 02:57 AM
Fife-Hibee

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

New ferry from Holland to Rosyth

https://nltimes.nl/2019/08/21/scotla...te-netherlands

Hopefully a method of getting some much needed 'medical' supplies after brexit.:smokin
23-08-2019, 05:33 AM
xyz23jc

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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee

Hopefully a method of getting some much needed 'medical' supplies after brexit.:smokin

I'm in....! :greengrin
23-08-2019, 06:14 AM
Glory Lurker

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

I don't see any blinking at all. They're saying the same things they've been saying for months, basically What Is Your Alternative Plan?

Yes, I agree. It was splashed as being blink-like, but later reports have shown that it wasn't.
23-08-2019, 06:23 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

Yes, I agree. It was splashed as being blink-like, but later reports have shown that it wasn't.

The UK were given an extension to the withdrawal period until the 31st of October, Merkel said that if a better solution can be found before then, then great. No change in policy there, just stating the obvious.
23-08-2019, 09:38 AM
ronaldo7

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The UK were given an extension to the withdrawal period until the 31st of October, Merkel said that if a better solution can be found before then, then great. No change in policy there, just stating the obvious.

She played him, but you wouldn't think so looking at the English press.
23-08-2019, 11:14 AM
Lendo

Macron saying that A50 can be revoked right up to the last possible minute. Please for the love of god, let them see sense.
23-08-2019, 11:50 AM
ACLeith

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Originally Posted by Lendo

Macron saying that A50 can be revoked right up to the last possible minute. Please for the love of god, let them see sense.

But, but, but ...... will of the people, democracy etc etc. The backstop is "undemocratic" says our unelected PM.
23-08-2019, 07:46 PM
Colr

What’s the betting that the last minute compromise will be the ‘border in the Irish Sea followed by a swift election which the Tories win meaning they can tell the DUP to GTF?
23-08-2019, 07:55 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Colr

What’s the betting that the last minute compromise will be the ‘border in the Irish Sea followed by a swift election which the Tories win meaning they can tell the DUP to GTF?

It’s what would have happened if the DUP didn’t have the balance of power and Brexit would have happened in March.
Can’t see how they get it through now, both sides going for winner takes all.
Remainers want revoke and brexiteers want no deal. There is no middle ground deal to be had now IMO.

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23-08-2019, 08:10 PM
Jack Hackett

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Originally Posted by ACLeith

But, but, but ...... will of the people, democracy etc etc. The backstop is "undemocratic" says our unelected PM.

I've yet to hear him explain just exactly how it's undemocratic.
23-08-2019, 08:15 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Jack Hackett

I've yet to hear him explain just exactly how it's undemocratic.

The claim is that it will leave Brits subject to rules made by foreigners who the Brits are no longer able to unelect.

(In much the same way that Wednesdays in this country are undemocratic, because we only ever get to unelect politicians on a Thursday.)

I believe it on the grounds that Dominic Cummings is a genius.
24-08-2019, 05:49 AM
heretoday

Boris stumbling about Europe trying out his O Level French isn't going to get a deal or anything.
Prepare yourselves for a hard Brexit, which you should have been doing if you're a business.
24-08-2019, 07:33 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by heretoday

Boris stumbling about Europe trying out his O Level French isn't going to get a deal or anything.
Prepare yourselves for a hard Brexit, which you should have been doing if you're a business.

As America and China look to be heading for a full blockade on each other at the same time as a hard brexit it could be a very big economic shock.

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24-08-2019, 11:11 AM
Jack Hackett

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

The claim is that it will leave Brits subject to rules made by foreigners who the Brits are no longer able to unelect.

(In much the same way that Wednesdays in this country are undemocratic, because we only ever get to unelect politicians on a Thursday.)

I believe it on the grounds that Dominic Cummings is a genius.

Gotcha. He doesn't do irony, does he?... or much of anything else, really :rolleyes:
24-08-2019, 11:56 AM
Moulin Yarns

Yougov poll

Latest Westminster voting intention (20-21 Aug)
Con - 32%
Lab - 22%
Lib Dem - 20%
Brexit Party - 12%
Green - 7%
https://t.co/RXCBZmswsh https://t.co/dWwMWiV4PH

https://twitter.com/MonthOfSundaes/status/1165210488852111360?s=09
24-08-2019, 07:15 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Yougov poll

Latest Westminster voting intention (20-21 Aug)
Con - 32%
Lab - 22%
Lib Dem - 20%
Brexit Party - 12%
Green - 7%
https://t.co/RXCBZmswsh https://t.co/dWwMWiV4PH

https://twitter.com/MonthOfSundaes/s...852111360?s=09

The UK is a basket case for sure. Its obvious England and Scotland are continuing to diverge on the political spectrum

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24-08-2019, 08:43 PM
mjhibby

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Yougov poll

Latest Westminster voting intention (20-21 Aug)
Con - 32%
Lab - 22%
Lib Dem - 20%
Brexit Party - 12%
Green - 7%
https://t.co/RXCBZmswsh https://t.co/dWwMWiV4PH

https://twitter.com/MonthOfSundaes/s...852111360?s=09

Remember may was 20% ahead before she called an election. This election will be a very hard one to call as it will basically be a second referendum. I still feel that he won't get a majority and labour and lib Dems will be in a coalition with probably the SNP. I wouldn't really want to predict it though. Even bumbling Boris knows polls are irrelevant.
25-08-2019, 05:53 AM
Colr

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Remember may was 20% ahead before she called an election. This election will be a very hard one to call as it will basically be a second referendum. I still feel that he won't get a majority and labour and lib Dems will be in a coalition with probably the SNP. I wouldn't really want to predict it though. Even bumbling Boris knows polls are irrelevant.

May ran the worst campaign in living memory and made it all about her. You’d think they wouldn’t make the same mistake again but the Tories are so divided, you can’t see them coming together for an election which will make it about Boris who is a pretty divisive character.

Labour and Corbyn ran a decent campaign last time and had some good policies.

The Tories can’t rely on this lead unless farage vanishes

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