(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

It all seems a bit ridiculous to me , this debate has been going longer than most of us have been alive .
Surely the sensible solution would be that the israelis and palestinians can share jerusalem as their capital , rather than spend a lifetime fighting over it :confused:

Religion baffles me in these situations

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It's part of the peace accords (1993 but I might be wrong) that they share the capital until a formal solution is found (ideally Israel returning the land it invaded to pre 1967 borders but that's highly unlikely in the current climate). So what Trump has done is shat all over twenty odd years of consensus. Also, the Christians and Armenians also have a quarter each of the city, and they have also been shat on
and undermined by Trumps announcement.

Ironic that the president that's been enthusiastically cheered on by the Evangelical Christian Right has done the most to undermine Christian governance of its most holy city :dunno:

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Originally Posted by beensaidbefore

I see trouble ahead.

Wonder what Corbin will have to say on the matter, what with him being anti Semitic and all that.😏

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It’s a shame that nobody has been listening to Corbyn on these matters for years because if they did, there probably wouldn’t be as much trouble.

Maybe if people listened a bit less to the money men and their pals in the press who peddle crap like him being an anti-Semite, terrorist lover etc...🤔

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Originally Posted by Pete

It’s a shame that nobody has been listening to Corbyn on these matters for years because if they did, there probably wouldn’t be as much trouble.

Maybe if people listened a bit less to the money men and their pals in the press who peddle crap like him being an anti-Semite, terrorist lover etc...🤔

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Yeah, dont listen to the US, lets listen to Hamas instead. Im sure they woyld be reasonable...

This is what frustrates me about these situations - people trying to score pathetic and conpletely erroneous points, from a situation that has nothing to do with it.

Are you seriously saying that you think corbyn could have done a better job at ending a conflict that has been going on for, literally, hundreds of years, because he says some nice things about one of the extremist elements responsible for its very intractability?

Trump is an ********, and he has poured petrol on the flames, but lets face it, muslims around the world getting enraged, offended and burning thimgs in the street seems to be a weekly event.

Like it or not, the israelis have as much claim to Jerusalem, and actually probably more of a claim, than anyone else. And until extremists on both sides stop talkinh about eradicating the others, force and might will win, amd that means the Palestinians will be stuck as stone throwing pawns in the great games of greater powers.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Yeah, dont listen to the US, lets listen to Hamas instead. Im sure they woyld be reasonable...

This is what frustrates me about these situations - people trying to score pathetic and conpletely erroneous points, from a situation that has nothing to do with it.

Are you seriously saying that you think corbyn could have done a better job at ending a conflict that has been going on for, literally, hundreds of years, because he says some nice things about one of the extremist elements responsible for its very intractability?

Trump is an ********, and he has poured petrol on the flames, but lets face it, muslims around the world getting enraged, offended and burning thimgs in the street seems to be a weekly event.

Like it or not, the israelis have as much claim to Jerusalem, and actually probably more of a claim, than anyone else. And until extremists on both sides stop talkinh about eradicating the others, force and might will win, amd that means the Palestinians will be stuck as stone throwing pawns in the great games of greater powers.

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Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

God bless Trump, God bless America and God bless the true people of Israel 🇮🇱 🇬🇧🇺🇸

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Originally Posted by Pete

Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

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Sorry mate, i didnt read the previous post, so happy to stand corrected.

But i think if you look at history, socialist regimes tend to be fairly violent and oppressive.

And foreign policy is always easy when you dont habe to actually make decisions, otherwise its very difficult. Its easy to talk peace, but lets not forget the worst conflixt in human history resulted from appeasement.

I accept what you say about western foreign policy in recent years, its not been great, but the islamic world habe been in uproar at tge west for as long as i can remember, salman rushdie was long before bush jnr.

I suppose i just think that because trump is a choob, it doesnt change the fact that those wanting to destroy Israel are just as extreme amd war-mongering, as are the Israeli hawks who keep the Palestinians in chains.

Apologies for 'having a go' wrongly at your original post though.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Sorry mate, i didnt read the previous post, so happy to stand corrected.

But i think if you look at history, socialist regimes tend to be fairly violent and oppressive.

And foreign policy is always easy when you dont habe to actually make decisions, otherwise its very difficult. Its easy to talk peace, but lets not forget the worst conflixt in human history resulted from appeasement.

I accept what you say about western foreign policy in recent years, its not been great, but the islamic world habe been in uproar at tge west for as long as i can remember, salman rushdie was long before bush jnr.

I suppose i just think that because trump is a choob, it doesnt change the fact that those wanting to destroy Israel are just as extreme amd war-mongering, as are the Israeli hawks who keep the Palestinians in chains.

Apologies for 'having a go' wrongly at your original post though.

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No worries, at least we can agree that Trump is a tube.

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Originally Posted by TheReg!

God bless Trump, God bless America and God bless the true people of Israel 🇮🇱 🇬🇧🇺🇸

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Stick to Twitter Donald. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pete

No worries, at least we can agree that Trump is a tube.

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Definitely.

I mean its not as if there is even a gain for the US for doing this. You could maybe understand if it was self-interest, but it is absolutely not and will habe pi55sed off all of their middle east allies (except Israel, obviously).

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Definitely.

I mean its not as if there is even a gain for the US for doing this. You could maybe understand if it was self-interest, but it is absolutely not and will habe pi55sed off all of their middle east allies (except Israel, obviously).

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The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

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Originally Posted by Pete

Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

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Whoa there yourself! I wasn't slagging Corbyn off. I was highlighting that he had been accused of being antisemitic in the past.

Just listened to a bit on the radio regarding Trump justifying his Jerusalem decision and the fact way back in history Jewish people can be identified as the original inhabitants so deserve to have "their" capital.

Im wondering how that fits in with him deregistering vast tracks of native Indian land from being ring-fenced as national monuments and are now opened up for mining etc totally against the wishes of the current native Indian inhabitants?


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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Just listened to a bit on the radio regarding Trump justifying his Jerusalem decision and the fact way back in history Jewish people can be identified as the original inhabitants so deserve to have "their" capital.

Im wondering how that fits in with him deregistering vast tracks of native Indian land from being ring-fenced as national monuments and are now opened up for mining etc totally against the wishes of the current native Indian inhabitants?

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I don't think coherence of any sort plays a part in his outlook at all. That'd shirley be a notion for despicable elite types.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

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The only other gain for the USA is the arms they can sell to bolster the middle east conflict.

And, Jerusalem was under Egyptian rule prior to being raised to the ground by King David, first king of the Jews 3000 years ago. So the question is, who has a greater claim on Jerusalem, Israel or Egypt? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

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...... talking of which. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...probe-51718770

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

The only other gain for the USA is the arms they can sell to bolster the middle east conflict.
And, Jerusalem was under Egyptian rule prior to being raised to the ground by King David, first king of the Jews 3000 years ago. So the question is, who has a greater claim on Jerusalem, Israel or Egypt? :greengrin

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Great idea , flatten the temple mount and build a giant pyramid there and a nice big statue of horus . Forget about all this abrahamic nonsense and go back to following the religions of our ancestors .

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Great idea , flatten the temple mount and build a giant pyramid there and a nice big statue of horus . Forget about all this abrahamic nonsense and go back to following the religions of our ancestors .

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He'll probably build a golf resort with a Trump tower and stick the golden dome on top

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-e...he-netherlands

After living in the Hague near the Schilderswijk area I think he had a point about no go zones.

Got to wonder how much 'aid' Guatemala has received for now moving embassy to Jerusalem

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Originally Posted by Smartie

When you're as incredibly stupid as Trump is, this kind of statement makes sense.

He a stupid man, surrounded by stupid people, having been voted for by desperate people.

It is frightening that he is in the most powerful position in the world, and every time he opens his mouth in relation to North Korea, Israel/ Palestine or Iran, I am terrified of what he might stir up.

I'm going to become a father for the first time in February, and these are not days that I really want to be wishing away. But for the good of our entire species, the time that that idiot finds himself as far away from the White House (hopefully at most 3 years although I still hold out hope that he gets caught out and finds himself impeached) cannot come quick enough.

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What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

Is that you Donald?

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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Great post!

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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Have we fast forwarded to 1st April? The man is a misogynist arrogant ignorant manchild who sits up at night tweeting bollocks. He is a complete imbecile who is manipulating the free press and promoting right wing media as gospel. His agenda of hate and ignorance will be his undoing and I like many many others will rejoice in his downfall. And no, I do not like the Clintons but it is possible to dislike two electoral candidates even in a two horse billionaire only "democracy".

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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I think it was around “unaffordable healthcare act” where I began to get this sinking feeling.

I just thank the lord (you’re probably very familiar with him ) that the world is a bigger place than the Trump voting American states who think the entire world revolves around their axis.

Trump can’t see that he’s a global laughing stock and an embarrassment so it’s obvious that his supporters won’t either.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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Wow.....

and no comment on:
Trump’s sexual assault claims,
his dismissal of ALL criticism as fake news,
his dubious links to Russia,
his hypocritical digs at Britain regarding terrorism,
the fact he asked the FBI not to investigate things into his people,
his extremely divisive rhetoric,
his unbalanced responses to similar situations with different racial populations,
his extremely crass way of speaking with widowed service wives,
his petulant spiteful tweets,
his verbal abuse of black athletes choosing to exercise their freedom of speech in a peaceful manner,
his hypocritical attitude to pre and post presidency (for example, criticised Obama for taking what he deemed to be too many holiday days, but has taken more himself),
the nonsense he perpetuates to further his own ends (Obama wasn’t born in the US, suddenly becomes, oh he was but I never said he wasn’t),
the blatant lies he tells to suit his agenda of the day,
the fact he manages to deflect attention from his own negative (and possibly illegal) issues (such as the afore mentioned Jerusalem debacle coming hot on the heels of yet another Russian link),
he’s blamed the country’s ills on some illegal Mexican immigrants, and has used bully boy tactics to try to bully Mexicans into building a wall that serves very little purpose - a classy move from the leader of the free world, using his position to berate, belittle and bully a much smaller and less wealthy nation.

the man has managed to lie and manipulate his way into a position of great power, when he has zero experience in running a nation or an economy (please don’t point to his business experience, it’s not the same and his business record isn’t great), and he’s appointed clowns like his son-in-law to positions of power and influence rather than people with experience or know how.

The greatest of all Time? He’s a petty, spiteful, nasty creature.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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is this irony? History will remember this as the all time low point of American politics...when they went from a leaders voice around the world to eroding their position of authority on the world stage. He may have ran with populist policies. And yes, the opposition only have themselves to blame - but he is racist, a misogynist and a bully - and must be the weakest strategist to ever have held the office.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

is this irony? History will remember this as the all time low point of American politics...when they went from a leaders voice around the world to eroding their position of authority on the world stage. He may have ran with populist policies. And yes, the opposition only have themselves to blame - but he is racist, a misogynist and a bully - and must be the weakest strategist to ever have held the office.

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That's a far more accurate description than in the post you quoted but you missed out buffoon.

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Originally Posted by John_R_Corbett

That's a far more accurate description than in the post you quoted but you missed out buffoon.

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:agree: And orange. He missed out orange too.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

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I respect anybody who comes on here and takes up an unpopular position, so I'm not attacking you. But theres holes all over what you've said.

It terms of Israel and Jerusalem, you are right that in a normal situation any country should be able to declare a city as its capital. But sharing Jerusalem between different faiths was agreed as part of the 1992 peace accords to ensure the Armenians and the Christians and the Muslims shared the ownership of the city with the Jews. Its just another betrayal of treaty, which the Israelis have a history of doing. And what hes done serves no purpose but to destabilise the world.

Youre also basing your entire assessment of 'liberal democrats' on some conversations you've had with some in Texas. If they are 'struck dumb' by Trumps policy on Isis, or on the horrendous tax cuts policy, i would say you've just been speaking to some very inarticulate and stupid Democrats. All Trumps policies can be convincingly argued against, because they are either economic vandalism (a tax cut programme that is going to result in starving in the streets), smoke and mirrors (his Isis 'policy' which seems to involve talking tough on them one minute, then threatening to withdraw from the world the next. And continuing the drone strike programme that was the same as the Obama one that he was so critical of). What won him the blue collar vote, the so called 'populist' vote, was the jobs creation claim, his one 'good thing' which the Mexican wall was just part of. Public works, roads, infrastructure, engineering, stuff to get America working again. But now he's in office, nothing, nada. Because he doesn't want to, he never wanted to get involved in that because he hates the state. Public private partnership is anathema to him. He lied. And that's why the poster that irritated you so much earlier is absolutely right. The stupid (or if you prefer, the naïve) voted for him because they believed his domestic promises, and they shouldn't have.

In your anti Clinton diatribe ,you also dont mention that the popular vote went for Hilary, so the country is very much divided and there isn't a strong a consensus against the Clintons as you claim. You also dont mention the Obama legacy, why is that? You dont mention Trumps own, self confessed and proud sexual harassment, why is that? his bullying, rudeness, classlessness. Do you recognise he's a nasty piece of work but think it doesn't matter as long as hes a good leader, or do you just think hes a good guy misrepresented by a liberal media? And I'm not sure why bringing Bernie Sanders' narrow defeat into the debate makes your case any stronger. Sanders shocked everyone by showing there is still a strong left wing streak in blue collar America you'd never notice from just watching TV.

And i am genuinely fascinated by the total chutzpah that allows you to accuse the Democrats of spreading racism and dividing people, when its is Trump who uses this tactic widely and obviously, and in a way that is brand new for an American president, (even Andrew Jackson seemed to like and admire his slaves!), and for any world leader. Look outside America, at the reaction to him across the world. Most countries are horrified by him. how is that going to help America's economy?

Give us some links so we can see some of the sources behind what you think is happening in your country.