SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Originally Posted by McD

I get your logic, think in this case the SNP can’t/haven’t show the stairs that have been painted or the receipt for the paint and brushes, the money can’t be/hasn’t been accounted for

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A couple of league titles to show for it even if they haven’t yet won the champions league.


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Originally Posted by degenerated

The person that went to the police was that loony Sean Clerkin of the Scottish resistance, there's no way he was an SNP member.

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There were seven complainants.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

No proof it's linked but SNPs auditors have quit after working with them for a decade. SNPs treasures quit this year saying he was refused proper access to accounts to do his job

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65212357

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Think it's fair to say the timing of this indicates it's linked.

If they're in any way linked to financial impropriety (as you say, Douglas Chapman quit last year, alleging Murrell refused to grant him the access he required to the SNP accounts) I don't imagine simply terminating their account with the SNP would absolve them.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

He spent his campaign saying the opposite but humza now saying governance of the SNP wasn't as it should be.

https://news.sky.com/story/first-min...ld-be-12851270

"Whatever else transpires in this case, it is very, very clear that the governance of the party was not as it should be.

"It was not at its best standard. And frankly, the debacle over membership numbers is just one example of that."

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The SNP grandees (Sturgeon, Swinney and Murrell) who have stepped down/resigned/been arrested have bequeathed him quite a mess to deal with. No wonder he's floundering.

10 years is too long for the same auditors to have been in post IMO.

I get why it happens, but it's still not good practice.

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Originally Posted by Crunchie

A quick google will give you a detailed answer, a quick summary would be the money raised by the rank and file was supposed to be ring fenced for Indy2 and they want to know where it is.

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Found this on the BBC...:aok:

Why are police investigating the SNP?

• Police Scotland launched an investigation in July 2021 after complaints about how SNP donations were used.
• The funds were donated for a new independence referendum campaign.
• The SNP raised £666,953 through referendum-related appeals between 2017 and 2020.
• Nicola Sturgeon said she was "not concerned" and "every penny" would be spent on the independence drive.
• Questions were raised after SNP accounts showed just £97,000 in the bank at the end of 2019, and total assets of about £272,000.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Found this on the BBC...:aok:

Why are police investigating the SNP?

• Police Scotland launched an investigation in July 2021 after complaints about how SNP donations were used.
• The funds were donated for a new independence referendum campaign.
• The SNP raised £666,953 through referendum-related appeals between 2017 and 2020.
• Nicola Sturgeon said she was "not concerned" and "every penny" would be spent on the independence drive.
• Questions were raised after SNP accounts showed just £97,000 in the bank at the end of 2019, and total assets of about £272,000.

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Why the police are involved, there has money being raised and donated to the SNP to be used specifically for an independence campaign. The said funds are no longer there. The fund controller (Murrell) has been secretive and injected over a £100k of his own cash as a loan to keep the account solvent. Various factors of not fully explaining where the funds are has led to complaints by donators. The police involvement is to discover if the funds were dishonesty appropriated by Murrell (Theft) or used for other SNP related purposes (Not Theft) …so imho he is either dishonest or incompetent

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Why the police are involved, there has money being raised and donated to the SNP to be used specifically for an independence campaign. The said funds are no longer there. The fund controller (Murrell) has been secretive and injected over a £100k of his own cash as a loan to keep the account solvent. Various factors of not fully explaining where the funds are has led to complaints by donators. The police involvement is to discover if the funds were dishonesty appropriated by Murrell (Theft) or used for other SNP related purposes (Not Theft) …so imho he is either dishonest or incompetent

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To be fair, he could be both.

Tangential but sort of related - Hibs appealed for donations for ground redevelopment when the ends were done, "Hibs 100". iirc, Hibs didn't use it for development. What happened to it? Did the club have to ask the donators for permission to do something else? Were refunds offered?

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Why the police are involved, there has money being raised and donated to the SNP to be used specifically for an independence campaign. The said funds are no longer there. The fund controller (Murrell) has been secretive and injected over a £100k of his own cash as a loan to keep the account solvent. Various factors of not fully explaining where the funds are has led to complaints by donators. The police involvement is to discover if the funds were dishonesty appropriated by Murrell (Theft) or used for other SNP related purposes (Not Theft) …so imho he is either dishonest or incompetent

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The most recent accounts (2021) were given a clean opinion by the auditors.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

To be fair, he could be both.

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Or neither.

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Originally Posted by grunt

The most recent accounts (2021) were given a clean opinion by the auditors.

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Is this the same auditors who have just dumped the SNP as clients :faf:

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Originally Posted by grunt

The most recent accounts (2021) were given a clean opinion by the auditors.

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They have given clean reports for the last 10 years, AIUI.

If there has been any impropriety in that time, you can expect them to have their collars felt by ICAS, at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Is this the same auditors who have just dumped the SNP as clients :faf:

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What are you suggesting?

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Originally Posted by grunt

What are you suggesting?

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Not suggesting anything but in the last few weeks, Chief Constable retires unexpectedly, Nippy retires unexpectedly, Murrell resigns after a push, gets arrested and house searched. Now the SNPs accountants have dropped them as clients stating the were not allowed access to the accounts by Murrell…. Perhaps 🤔 there might be something amiss

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Not suggesting anything but in the last few weeks, Chief Constable retires unexpectedly, Nippy retires unexpectedly, Murrell resigns after a push, gets arrested and house searched. Now the SNPs accountants have dropped them as clients stating the were not allowed access to the accounts by Murrell…. Perhaps 🤔 there might be something amiss

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Think that was the SNP's treasurer rather than the external auditor.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Think that was the SNP's treasurer rather than the external auditor.

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Aye , it was. Closely followed by Joanna Cherry quitting the NEC as she claimed she was being blocked from improving transparency and scrutiny of party affairs.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Think that was the SNP's treasurer rather than the external auditor.

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If that’s the case I stand corrected …but it’s bizarre that the SNP’s Treasurer is not allowed to see the accounts he is supposed to be managing

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

If that’s the case I stand corrected …but it’s bizarre that the SNP’s Treasurer is not allowed to see the accounts he is supposed to be managing

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Yup... summat smells.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Not suggesting anything but in the last few weeks, Chief Constable retires unexpectedly, Nippy retires unexpectedly, Murrell resigns after a push, gets arrested and house searched. Now the SNPs accountants have dropped them as clients stating the were not allowed access to the accounts by Murrell…. Perhaps 🤔 there might be something amiss

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Both stv and the BBC going with the same story



Accountants Johnston Carmichael’s decision to resign came before Wednesday after reviewing its client portfolio and existing resources and commitments, STV News understands.



The timing might appear a godsend to the SNP BAD crowd but they had already taken the decision before the dawn raids in Uddingston

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Not suggesting anything but in the last few weeks, Chief Constable retires unexpectedly, Nippy retires unexpectedly, Murrell resigns after a push, gets arrested and house searched. Now the SNPs accountants have dropped them as clients stating the were not allowed access to the accounts by Murrell…. Perhaps [emoji848] there might be something amiss

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Auditors. And I haven’t seen any thing from either party to say who dropped who?


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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Both stv and the BBC going with the same story



Accountants Johnston Carmichael’s decision to resign came before Wednesday after reviewing its client portfolio and existing resources and commitments, STV News understands.



The timing might appear a godsend to the SNP BAD crowd but they had already taken the decision before the dawn raids in Uddingston

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Did the police inform them of the impending garden dig. We need to know.

Keep believing that Murrell is transparent and honest :faf::faf::faf::faf:

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Did the police inform them of the impending garden dig. We need to know.

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Maybe the polis thought they were better at digging than the auditors. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

10 years is too long for the same auditors to have been in post IMO.

I get why it happens, but it's still not good practice.

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Could this just be coincidence then and this would be a normal time to quit? A natural break of sorts?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Both stv and the BBC going with the same story



Accountants Johnston Carmichael’s decision to resign came before Wednesday after reviewing its client portfolio and existing resources and commitments, STV News understands.



The timing might appear a godsend to the SNP BAD crowd but they had already taken the decision before the dawn raids in Uddingston

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I don't think the UK national news would lead on the SNP changing auditors if the events were regarded as unconnected.

Nobody seriously believes Sturgeon's spiel about being unaware of her husband's impending arrest.

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I don't think the UK national news would lead on the SNP changing auditors if the events were regarded as unconnected.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Not suggesting anything but in the last few weeks, Chief Constable retires unexpectedly, Nippy retires unexpectedly, Murrell resigns after a push, gets arrested and house searched. Now the SNPs accountants have dropped them as clients stating the were not allowed access to the accounts by Murrell…. Perhaps 🤔 there might be something amiss

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Of course this was all a coincidence St Sturgeon knew nothing. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Is this the same auditors who have just dumped the SNP as clients :faf:

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So they audited them incorrectly clean, and then “dumped the SNP”.

Is that the suggestion?