It's what Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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It's what Ian Gordon & Ben Kensell do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
McInnes has a track record of about a decade in Scottish football of doing well to very well with clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin07
Counts for nothing apparently when you lose 4-0 to Celtic at Parkhead 😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
If got thumped by St Johnstone....at home....this place would be in meltdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
We have and it has!! This place is in constant meltdown. But yeah, let’s forget decades of top 2,3,4 finishes. The comparisons are hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Gordy M
We `ve lost to St J many times in last decade and before but don`t remember a 0 v 3 at ER . Also Killie have advantage of artificial pitch . Also many of high finishes were without Rangers ( and us ) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Ron did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
That’s true mate, we couldn’t achieve 2nd though as we’d been relegated so still better than what we achieved in the leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by IberianHibernian
Ok if you want to go back decades, compare Derek McInnes record at Bristol City compared to Lee Johnson........thats hillarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Without us because we weren't even good enough to be in the top flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IberianHibernian
The attempts on here to brush off McInnes's achievements are bewildering. He's clearly a fine manager and if we'd made a move for him when he left Aberdeen we'd have been spared the garbage we've been subjected to in recent years.
All been discussed to death here but decision to get rid of Ross just before LC final is / was rightly questioned but I think decision to appoint Maloney was a brave decision and I think he should have been given more time . Problem with Gordon regime has not been so much making mistaken decisions but deciding something then making kneejerk decisions instead of carrying through ideas . In case of managerial and other decisions in 2022 , Ron`s health may have been a major factor .Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
HahahahahahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Gordy M
It was a god awful decision. A rookie manager mid season after an excellent season the year before. Those decisions took us back years.Quote:
Originally Posted by IberianHibernian
3rd when you're the team with the 2nd biggest budget and 4th when you've the 3rd biggest budget isn't that great. When he was Aberdeen manager his league placing was worse than budget more often than it was better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Think outside the box or blue sky thinking :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
Its the most consistent a team outside the old firm has been since the 80s I'd imagine. Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen finish bottom 6 with big budgets all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Almost as bewildering as the attempts to make them seem better than they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
His achievements as a manager in Scotland are excellent full stop. There's no requirement to make them seem better as they speak for themselves. We'd kill for Hibs to have that kind of record.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
What does that say about our two eighth place finishes in three seasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
No we wouldn`t because as already said here , high league positions were distorted by years without Rangers and us , his record in both cups was poor and his teams have a reputation for unentertaining football . He failed in England and doesn`t seem to have done well enough with Aberdeen or Killie to have been given a second chance there . Maybe a good fit for Hearts next manager ?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Finishing behind Motherwell when he had a much bigger budget, us and Hearts were getting relegated and Rangers were in League 1 wasn't excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Finishing 2nd when Rangers, Hearts and Hibs were in the Championship so his biggest challengers were Inverness and St Johnstone wasn't excellent.
Finishing 2nd when Rangers and us were still down and Aberdeen's budget was considerably bigger than Hearts' wasn't excellent.
Finishing 2nd, above Ian Cathro's Hearts and Pedro Caixinha's Rangers = Good (I suppose).
Fishing 2nd the year they, us and Rangers were battling out 2nd-4th = Good.
4th 3 times in a row when he had the 3rd biggest budget = not excellent.
He couldn't have got the Aberdeen job at a better time. Rangers in the lower leagues, us and Hearts getting relegated. Aberdeen's budget miles ahead of the rest and numerous transfer windows to build a team while Rangers us and Hearts were nowhere near where they should have been.
It says Jack Ross shouldn't have been chased out.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Underselling if ever I’ve seen it. They finished above the best Hibs side I’ve seen under Lennon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Let me ask you this, in the years we were in the championship, switch the 2 clubs around, do you honestly think we’d have been as consistent as his Aberdeen team were? Now we’ll never know for sure but history suggests we wouldn’t have. He achieved everything expected of him during his time at Aberdeen which is further backed up by the length of time he was manager. How many times have Hibs achieved what is expected of them? In my 30 years following them it hasn’t been many
Yes, switch the clubs around. Give Hibs the budget Aberdeen had and have Hearts, Aberdeen and Rangers in the league below and Hibs could well have finished 2nd, never mind 3rd behind Motherwell like McInnes did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
You are comparing Aberdeen with the 2nd biggest budget in the league for 3 years and the 3rd biggest for 5 with Hibs and the 5th biggest budget so it is hardly a surprise McInnes' Aberdeen record seems good.
I'm not denying we usually underperform and I'm not saying McInnes is a poor manager, just not as good as he gets made out to be on here. He couldn't have got the Aberdeen job at a better time. Rangers in the lower leagues, us and Hearts getting relegated. Aberdeen's budget miles ahead of the rest and numerous transfer windows to build a team while Rangers us and Hearts were nowhere near where they should have been.
If, then, maybe, perhaps, but.
Indeed. McInnes is great. No he's no. Aye he is. No he's no. Aye he is. Ad infinitum.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Personally I think we missed an opportunity on not going after Tony Docherty.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Think I would rather judge Gray after a season at least, Docherty has had one decent seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Ajax beat Panathinaikos 13-12 on penalties after an epic shootout featuring 34 spot-kicks to reach the Europa League qualifying play-off round.
Why would we want Derek McInnes as Hibs manager when we could get Maloney, Montgomery and Johnson, I mean they blow him out the water with their achievements. Why would we want us punching our weight more often than not, when we could be in the championship or bottom 6?