"They refused to use the government's messaging, confusing the public." :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In The Spectator's parallel world, Matt Lucas hasn't been born yet.
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"They refused to use the government's messaging, confusing the public." :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In The Spectator's parallel world, Matt Lucas hasn't been born yet.
It's almost as if the Scottish Government was advertising in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
God forbid either goverment step into the wrong devolved/reserved areas.
I'm not sure that any of the devolved nations should have just followed England. I would like to have seen something along the lines of a 'pandemic coalition' between devolved governments and the UK government that put out 1 set of rules/regulations for the UK as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No chance. There is no reason at all for England to do anything that the anybody else suggests. There's 55 million of them. Why should they do anything other than suits them? I wouldn’t blame them. It does show up how it's a union of unequals, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy75
Alex Cole Hamilton laying the groundwork for a unionist merger. How long before Labour join? Or will they carry on with the current non aggression pact?
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https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1426548435189129216?s=09Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58256028.amp
GERS figures are out and unionists can rejoice in the fact we seem to have got poorer once again.
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It's a sure fire sign, to Unionists, that we are too poor and too stupid to take care of things for ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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If only we were genetically wired to be able to lead ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
The Scottish Government, as we all know, has to run within budget. If GERS shows Scotland is running over budget it must be someone else running up the debt. Whoever it is they don't seem to be very competent!
Or very competent in their plan to make us the poorest country in this part of Europe and then use that to tell us we need them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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If unionists were able to admit that they rejoice in living off the dole I could have a shred of respect for their position.
Or, even better, if they were willing to show strategies out of a (supposed) 22% deficit instead of chanting "Fiscal transfers! Fiscal transfers! Fiscal transfers!" within their beloved UK I'd be more than willing to hear them.
No chance now. Scotland will always be kept this way so that they can say we would not manage on our own.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
They are in charge of our economy and plan to keep it as small as possible.
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Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://youtu.be/KK9f0rB2Bdk
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What does Kate Forbes do and where did the Covid money go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
She manages Scotland’s spending. And does a fine job, balancing the books. She is not the chancellor though. She has no control over taxation, borrowing, monetary policy etc that people in her position in normal countries have.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pointer
Not sure what you mean by where did the Covid money go?
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New Unite general secretary, Sharon Graham, is open to Scotland having another independence referendum.
The times are changing, as she puts pressure on Sir keir, and Anas Sarwar
Mauritius wrestling control of chagos islands from the not-so great britain, go them :agree:
British stamps banned from Chagos Islands in Indian Ocean - BBC News
All indications so far show that on the Chagos issue Britain has almost no allies left, our correspondent says
go Tories :agree:
https://www.fiscalcommission.scot/pu...s-august-2021/
All forecasts revised favourably 👍
https://news.stv.tv/politics/jack-in...s-above-60?top
That’s very honourable of him. 🙄
Define consistently and for a reasonable length of time????
And who decides?
Who we elect doesn’t matter to unionists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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"Alister Jack’s statement is the first time a minister has defined conditions for allowing another vote on Scottish independence to take place."Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It really isn't.
You can rattle out that nonsense till the cows come home, it doesn't make it true and your fantasy that anyone who doesn't vote for Independence is a unionist is more rubbish as you must know but you spout it repeatedly anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Crunchie
Seems fair to me. Provided he accepts that they can only form a government if they get more than 60% of the voteQuote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
If you don’t want independence then by definition you are a unionist. Maybe you want to be the 51st state of the USA of course ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I had a quick look on Wiki and since 2014 there has never been one poll with No anywhere near 60% support.
Why is 60% only a requirement for one side of the debate?
It's what they do. Tell us that we can't have this or that unless the rules they've made up are adhered to. It's like asking for a positive case for the union, all you get is serving flags and telling people how global we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Let's hope the electorate have been watching when we eventually get to vote again.
Surely by voting against independence the voter in question supports a union with England and therefore is a unionist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
It's not even like "unionist" is used as a pejorative. They call themselves that usually. :confused:
I wonder if the voter in question would be happy being a member of a Union? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Conservative and Unionist Party.
They started it! :-)
Total rubbish, there are a number of people who voted YES last time around but would have more sense to vote for it now. I would vote YES if and when the terms were right, I and many like me are of the opinion the time is not right, and furthermore as it turns out had we won the last referendum we would have been up chit creek without a paddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
What terms are on offer?
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As the 28th member of the EU? 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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Originally Posted by CloudSquall
what happens if neither side get 60%?
I'm not being flippant, genuinely curious
The Tories remain in charge of Scotland forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I genuinely wasn’t being smartarsed, I was curious as to where things go if, in this 60% scenario, what happens if neither side gets a consistent 60%
I wasn’t either. The status quo prevails under this scenario which suits the unionists down to a T.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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As opposed to Brexit and being up chit creek without a paddle in the here and now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
We get to make our own decisions, what a disasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
There is no need for the NO side to consistently be over 60%. This is the NO side trying to impose the 60% condition on the YES side, a bit like they did in 1979 which effectively delayed devolution for 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
fair enough bud, wasn’t sure if you thought I was being a d*** :aok:
Taking this in isolation, assuming that the time is right for a second referendum 18 months from now, what sort of terms are you looking for that you think are right and make you feel better able to vote yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
I'm genuinely interested. If nothing else to help understand what is needed to persuade you and other like minded people.
No worries if you don't want to answer, but if you don't could you acknowledge the question.
I've explained my position over and over and all you get are snidey remarks from the cut and pastey man and his chums,so I'll leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
What I will say is that the UK would have to be in a strong position financially for me to consider it, and
COVID has scuppered any chance of that for a hell of a lot longer than 18mths. The world economy won't recover anytime soon never mind the UK.
Could you at least give me the post number where I can read your ideal yes position to save me searching for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
I saw something today that suggested that there are more tory yes supporters than Scottish tory members. 😂😂😂
So it’s not rubbish., if you voted yes seven years ago (yes seven) and wouldnt vote yes now then you are now for the status quo and a unionist. It’s not hard. Up the creek you say. I reckon it’s a matter of how. far. We wouldn’t be as far as we are now with Brexit and we certainly wouldn’t be motoring further up it telling everyone that everything is or will be nice and rosey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Watch out mate, the Label Police will be along soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
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Shock :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Therefore this number of more sensible (in your opinion) people would now be unionists :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Hang on a second.. in the final part of your statement, are you saying that you voted YES in the last referendum?!
https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/...157942785?s=21
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I can't see London running dirty tricks to try to avoid this scenario arising, oh no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Happy Independence Day Trinidad & Tobago 🇹🇹 on this day in 1962, 59 years ago, they gained independence from the British empire and to date haven’t asked to rejoin.
How much oil do they have though? Bound to be loads :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Actually....Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
https://www.worldometers.info/oil/trinidad-and-tobago-oil/#:~:text=Trinidad%20and%20Tobago%20Oil,-Summary%20Table&text=Trinidad%20and%20Tobago%20hol ds%20728%2C300%2C000,35.0%20times%20its%20annual%2 0consumption.
About one tenth of uk production.
… can we change the thread title, apparently it is partition not independence
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/14...562507783?s=21
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-jo...rd-snp-1186032
Scots paying for social care twice.
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My adblocker doesnt let me read that article so cant see the detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Is it not within the gift of Scottish Government to redirect one of these payments to another area that needs attention?
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The government of Scotland does not want to introduce a regressive tax though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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So you voted yes in 2014 and the subsequent political landscape since then including brexit and an extreme Tory government has convinced you to now vote no. Personally find that very hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
If you read the post again then you will notice that he wished that we had won the referendum last time. His hard line unionist facade is slipping 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Yeah, so thats the issue, not that we are paying for social care twice ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In Scotland we chose to raise income tax on higher earners to fund social care a couple of years ago. It’s done. Now though, we are being told we have to pay higher NI to fund England’s social care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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So we agree NI isnt the best way to achieve this, but thats what England are doing and we will get the cash back. We can then either reduce the income tax or choose to use that income tax differently. Scotland are not paying twice, its not a poll tax and we are not paying to solve englands problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not sure the Tories will use all the cash for their social care plan. We'll probably see some syphoned off for their 40 new hospitals, and the social care elements will be watered down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Scotland's budget is determined by what England spends, not what the UK taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Should we not be concerned about how the SNP will use the cash when they receive it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Are you so sure we'll actually receive it, and the Parliament won't be side lined by some Unionist levelling up programme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Liked his dig about how Labour did nothing about it, acting like the Tories only took over yesterday
I'm listening to this in the background. Did Blackford just say "keep your mitts of our NHS"? I'm not sure if I misheard.
See all the jeering and cheering in WM it's ridiculous, they really need to modernise their Parliament in line with the 21st century.
Je did. Johnson has already said that they will decide where any extra funds are spent. Tax us more then try to take away powers all at the same time. And still we will have folk telling us that it's a great idea being told what to do. Erm, I mean being a partner in the union!Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Thanks, I thought I had misheard at first. He plagiarised that line from a Labour Conference years ago. It was a very powerful speech about the NHS. Lazy wee toad.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
If they did, then it could be (a very small) part of something that might tempt some of the softer supporters of independence away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
But there's no appetite for that down South so it will never happen. They're either happy or they don't care.
I think parliament is ridiculous. It's the 21st century FFS - the people who run our country should be able to debate in a clear fashion without all that braying and other historical drivel.
Looks like the SG will not receive the money. It will be spent by the Tories. I’m sure it still has your full support though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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I would not be happy if that is the case. I do not believe that is how it will work though and the Scottish Government will receive their share to spend with the agreed powers they haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Of course it will be spent by the tories, on Scotland's behalf, to further skew the GERS figures. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That's my thinking. It's not like we don't have social care issues too. Lets not forget the Care Home (think it was in the Highlands) that the SG had to purchase and the NHS took over the running of it around the time of the first wave of the Pandemic. There is bound to be others like that in need of Gov support to bring them up to and above an acceptable standard of care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
We're up and running again. Let's do it.
https://www.yes.scot/signup/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-54013830Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
This one.
You going to Stirling on Saturday?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
FM prog for Gov.
"We will introduce the Miners’ Pardon Bill to provide a collective pardon for those convicted of certain offences during the 1984/85 miners’ strike.
"I hope this will bring closure to those convicted, their families, and the communities affected.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Yeah. Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Prime Minister saying he will direct how money raised by his National Insurance hike is spent in Scotland, Wales and Northern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Utter disrespect and disregard for devolution, and our Scottish Parliament. #PowerGrab #NationalInsurance https://t.co/UBLaNeE4cc
I'll be there on my 🏍 🏴Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I'm busy with open studios, good luck all that are going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://www.gov.scot/publications/fa...nment-2021-22/
Too many individual policies to mention. Happy reading. :aok:
Quite exciting 👍 . The focus has to be on the middle undecideds, a huge proportion will be stuck one way or the other unfortunately. Brexit will obviously be the big trump cardQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
"Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser" and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
A decent case could be made that Brexit shows exactly the upheaval and problems you can have when separating from your neighbours - and the UK union has even closer links than between the UK and EU.
I mean - I'm still in favour of independence. I just think we need to go into it with our eyes open and with tough resolve to get through the challenging period immediately post-change.
One of the biggest problems with Brexit is that so many people feel that it was a change they didn't want or vote for, so the consequences are harder to swallow.
I really can't see the torys/unionists telling Scotland it should stay part of the union using a failed Brexit as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Definitely will, though without acknowledging any failure. At some point "disruption" will become the most overused word in the history of TV, radio and the written press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Forgive me if I am not quite as excited as you all. However I do agree that the work on the case for Independence needs to be revisited as this to me is the key to all of this and do we break the stalemate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I would hope not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
The Care Commission regularly visit care homes to ensure they meet a minimum standard. If private companies can't run these places to at least that standard they should be confiscated and taken into public ownership/care never mind bought over!
Firstly we should be concerned as to how much of our own cash the generously bestow upon usQuote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I don't know if you can read this, but yes, sadly there is more. The CC have upped their spot checks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ignity-3336221
I would have been but am in the wilds of Argyll and won't be back till Saturday evening, which is a bit of a scunner.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Not had much of a chance to use my new bike as much as I would have liked.