Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

Leyton orient have already issued a banning order to a supporter after racist abuse from yesterday

I assuming here that they are English based

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Graeme Speirs? Pretty vocal about the old and new Huns. Now posted missing from any tv or radio gigs right enough. Sure it's just coincidence. :rolleyes:

Michael Stewart probably going to go the same way.

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See also Jim Spence.

Jo Swinson nails it.

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1414337291443707920?s=19

😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Graeme Speirs? Pretty vocal about the old and new Huns. Now posted missing from any tv or radio gigs right enough. Sure it's just coincidence. :rolleyes:

Michael Stewart probably going to go the same way.

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iirc Jim Spence also no longer on the BBC? :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Graeme Speirs? Pretty vocal about the old and new Huns. Now posted missing from any tv or radio gigs right enough. Sure it's just coincidence. :rolleyes:

Michael Stewart probably going to go the same way.

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Speirs grew unable to stomach what he was seeing and hearing at the club he supported and said so then moved on. Mikey Stewart is hardly a major figure.

We're pretty comfortable tolerating and turning a blind eye and ear to the sectarianism as clubs, as footballing authorities and as a government. Otherwise we'd being doing something concrete about it. There's no Scottish Lineker equivalent figure in the social media age calling out sectarian fans in the way he is the racist fans. Scotland isn't exceptional here.

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Originally Posted by bringbackbenny

iirc Jim Spence also no longer on the BBC? :hmmm:

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Spence himself says he left the BBC due to his description of the old and new Rangers clubs. I think he actually referred to the club that died on air.

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

Speirs grew unable to stomach what he was seeing and hearing at the club he supported and said so then moved on. Mikey Stewart is hardly a major figure.

We're pretty comfortable tolerating and turning a blind eye and ear to the sectarianism as clubs, as footballing authorities and as a government. Otherwise we'd being doing something concrete about it. There's no Scottish Lineker equivalent figure in the social media age calling out sectarian fans in the way he is the racist fans. Scotland isn't exceptional here.

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Whilst I think you have a point here, there is no shortage of fans who are sick of sectarianism and it is a national disgrace that those who highlight it find themselves sidelined.

There are also a good few of us who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the role our own club play in the ongoing problem.

Ultimately though, your argument boils down to whataboutery - There has long been an issue in England, it exists to this day, and it needs tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

Many English people would agree and decent people are let down by the ongoing association.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Fair points - but I still think that condemning and stressing that folk “should feel ashamed” is still a few levels above launching a conspiracy theory that blames Johnny Foreigner again, which is abhorrent.

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Yeah that seems a strange claim, if that is what Southgate has said. He hasn't previously been guilty of downplaying the issue, so not sure why he would now. Albeit he is potentially just passing on the information he's been given.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Whilst I think you have a point here, there is no shortage of fans who are sick of sectarianism and it is a national disgrace that those who highlight it find themselves sidelined.

There are also a good few of us who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the role our own club play in the ongoing problem.

Ultimately though, your argument boils down to whataboutery - There has long been an issue in England, it exists to this day, and it needs tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

Many English people would agree and decent people are let down by the ongoing association.

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It is not whataboutery because I am absolutely crystal clear that there is a racism problem in English football - actually I think it persists here too - that needs to be called out and cleaned up. I'm simply pointing out that we are also far from angels in respect of Scottish football regarding sectarianism in particular.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Whilst I think you have a point here, there is no shortage of fans who are sick of sectarianism and it is a national disgrace that those who highlight it find themselves sidelined.

There are also a good few of us who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the role our own club play in the ongoing problem.

Ultimately though, your argument boils down to whataboutery - There has long been an issue in England, it exists to this day, and it needs tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

Many English people would agree and decent people are let down by the ongoing association.

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:agree: It’s not exactly news that the England national support is a rallying point for far right sentiment and folk that want a scrap, we’ve known that since the 70s and 80s, through Heysel, the European ban, the Dublin riot, it’s never actually gone away despite changes to the grounds themselves. Sectarianism in Scottish football is more a reality simmering under the surface of the game, it’s completely different in how it manifests itself, it’s not causing anywhere near the levels of street violence that follows the England team around, I’m not even sure why it’s even brought into the conversation.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Whilst I think you have a point here, there is no shortage of fans who are sick of sectarianism and it is a national disgrace that those who highlight it find themselves sidelined.

There are also a good few of us who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the role our own club play in the ongoing problem.

Ultimately though, your argument boils down to whataboutery - There has long been an issue in England, it exists to this day, and it needs tackled rather than swept under the carpet.

Many English people would agree and decent people are let down by the ongoing association.

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It's no coincidence either that the source of 95%+ of our sectarianism problem comes from a club imbued with the same Imperial-nostalgia-triumphalism fetish that runs right through the nasty section of the England support. In fact, it's really not stretching things to say that they are just 2 slightly different manifestations of the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Yeah that seems a strange claim, if that is what Southgate has said. He hasn't previously been guilty of downplaying the issue, so not sure why he would now. Albeit he is potentially just passing on the information he's been given.

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So Putin did it and ran away :dunno: Maybe he did.

But Putin didn’t scrawl ****** on the Rashford mural, he didn’t get thousands of England fans to boo the knee, and he’s not responsible for England fans having the deserved rep they do.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Gareth Southgate said in the press conference that the digital team have said the majority of the racist tweets are from accounts abroad (but not all of them).

I'm not sure if that's a hint towards another state doing it rather than just English fans based abroad.

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Or VPNs are being used.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Interesting. By my calculations we ended up the third worst team in the tournament. So there’s something to say about the rankings.

We only bettered Macedonia (0 points) and Turkey (0 points). Poland finished on 1, but had a better goal difference.

Socks need pulling up if we want to have a sniff of Qatar.

I said at the time, not beating Austria at home and Israel away pretty much has ended our qualification campaign.

I hope I’m wrong.

J

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indeed :agree: we're battling it out with Israel for 3rd spot and in the last three games against them they've either matched us or been the better side, but still....we got one more point at the Euros than i predicted we would :greengrin

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

Which is of course exactly what happens here in Scotland with football related sectarianism. Except here none of our Lineker equivalents has the balls to make an issue of it and call it out.

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I won't argue with that.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:agree: It’s not exactly news that the England national support is a rallying point for far right sentiment and folk that want a scrap, we’ve known that since the 70s and 80s, through Heysel, the European ban, the Dublin riot, it’s never actually gone away despite changes to the grounds themselves. Sectarianism in Scottish football is more a reality simmering under the surface of the game, it’s completely different in how it manifests itself, it’s not causing anywhere near the levels of street violence that follows the England team around, I’m not even sure why it’s even brought into the conversation.

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I'm not sure that in Scotland we can talk about one without discussing the other. It really is scotlands shame that the anti Catholic and anti Irish racism, not sectarianism because that again takes away from the argument imo, is tolerated by the msm, the sfa and the spfl and to a lesser degree politicians. And I saybthis as neither Catholic nor having Irish ancestry. It is racism, just a different kind of racism. The hate crimes bill and the legislation around behaviour at football matches was an attempt to help, maybe a clumsy one, but it was designed to help. Sadly people decided for various reasons that these were in some way designed to take away the majorities liberties rather than the minorities hatred. We need to start with the orange marches and ban them, same with the republican ones. Just ban them, they have no place in a 21st century, forward thinking, inclusive country. Can you imagine if the KKK asked to have a march through our biggest towns and cities?
I am glad that England lost last night but am heart sorry for the players who have been subjected to the disgusting abuse they have. I really hope prosecutions follow.
Probably a bit of a rambling post and maybe doesn't come across as well as it does in my head

Seen something online urging people to click on the pages of people posting the racist comments and if their employer is on it then contact the employer.

Losing their job will be a much bigger blow than a suspended Twitter account etc.

I've just had the misfortune to cast eyes on some videos from Wembley from yesterday. Holy ****, it was unbelievable. Smashing their way and fighting Italian fans after the game (never mind the trouble throughout the day). Eufa will surely take action against the England side. If that was a club side they would be facing severe sanctions.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I've just had the misfortune to cast eyes on some videos from Wembley from yesterday. Holy ****, it was unbelievable. Smashing their way and fighting Italian fans after the game (never mind the trouble throughout the day). Eufa will surely take action against the England side. If that was a club side they would be facing severe sanctions.

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A 55 year ban sounds fair :wink:

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I've just had the misfortune to cast eyes on some videos from Wembley from yesterday. Holy ****, it was unbelievable. Smashing their way and fighting Italian fans after the game (never mind the trouble throughout the day). Eufa will surely take action against the England side. If that was a club side they would be facing severe sanctions.

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They'll be a stick on for world cup 2030.

:top marks

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Good post. I actually feared Scotland would lose all three games so as you say a point against England was welcome. Most of us would admit that we're a long way off the pace though and I think we need to qualify 'properly' for a tournament before we can say we're on the right track. We got to the Euros via a relatively unchallenging back door method which didn't sit easy with me and tended to get a bit glossed over amid the hype around us actually being at a tournament for a change.

I think it's harsh to find too much fault with Southgate's tactics. A World Cup semi-final and a Euro final in his first two tournaments in charge shows he's doing something very right and personally I think he and his team can only improve. Like you, I really felt for the young guys last night. Such fine margins as they say and I find it hard to see how anyone could take genuine pleasure in their misfortune. I spotted the front page of the National earlier and while I guess it's meant to be light-hearted it still comes across as a bit infantile and narrow-minded.

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All I can find is a comment from Southgate that "some of it has come from abroad... but not all of it".

Hardly trying to shift the blame here, it's a minor comment in a pretty comprehensive response where he's calling for unity etc. Don't think it's fair to accuse Southgate of deflection here.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Jo Swinson nails it.

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1414337291443707920?s=19

😂😂😂

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If you scroll her feed there's a fair few tweets supporting England but not a single one about her home nation. Bizarre.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's been said often enough, but that's not the official version. It was a satirical take on it in a London journal

.http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk/precious/anthem1

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Apologies for repeating misinformation. I appreciate the correction.

https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1414573685042728964?s=20

Hero.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I've just had the misfortune to cast eyes on some videos from Wembley from yesterday. Holy ****, it was unbelievable. Smashing their way and fighting Italian fans after the game (never mind the trouble throughout the day). Eufa will surely take action against the England side. If that was a club side they would be facing severe sanctions.

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What video did you see?

I just watched one and someone suggested this was people kicking and punching folk who were breaking into the stadium. When you look closer a lot of the folk running through the door are wearing England tops.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RIWills/status/1414380837169205250

For instance, the guy on the floor is immediately led back out.

This has killed the chances of a 2030 World Cup bid. Cheers guys.

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Originally Posted by hibee316

What video did you see?

I just watched one and someone suggested this was people kicking and punching folk who were breaking into the stadium. When you look closer a lot of the folk running through the door are wearing England tops.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RIWills/s...80837169205250

For instance, the guy on the floor is immediately led back out.

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Yeah it's ticketless England fans breaking in.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

This has killed the chances of a 2030 World Cup bid. Cheers guys.

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Hardly. FIFA will go wherever the brown envelopes are biggest. The UK probably has the ideal government in that sense. :rolleyes:

Saw a video of Italian fans getting a kicking inside Wembley on the concourse. One of them is on the deck screaming and 4/5 guys just continue to volley into him.

*The guys being attacked are speaking Italian and some wearing Italy shirts.