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25-02-2012, 08:31 AM
greenginger

Thinking could be the squad has been paid for February so might as well play them tomorrow. I think the administrators only get 14 days to tear up contracts in which case Monday will be the day of the Cull.

If the players are all still there next week Duff and Phelps really are the new Duff and Gray. :greengrin
25-02-2012, 08:33 AM
Kaiser1962

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Originally Posted by TQM

Players will go next week - least that's what's being said at Murray Park.

Do you know if they will be able to sign for other clubs outwith the transfer window? Bit harsh on the individuals if they're not.
25-02-2012, 08:47 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Do you know if they will be able to sign for other clubs outwith the transfer window? Bit harsh on the individuals if they're not.

They'll be free agents so yes, they are free to sign for other clubs.

Note the word "free". :wink:
25-02-2012, 11:37 AM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenginger

Thinking could be the squad has been paid for February so might as well play them tomorrow. I think the administrators only get 14 days to tear up contracts in which case Monday will be the day of the Cull.

If the players are all still there next week Duff and Phelps really are the new Duff and Gray. :greengrin

I didn't know this. Is that a general rule, or just for football clubs?
25-02-2012, 11:50 AM
greenginger

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I didn't know this. Is that a general rule, or just for football clubs?

I'm sure I read somewhere that if the players are not released in the first 14 days of administration their contracts are deemed to have been taken over by the administrators.

Of course I may have read this in the Daily ****** in which case who knows ?

I have heard from contacts down in the Big Smoke that there is serious amounts of client's cash missing from Pritchards the stockbroker where Whyte was secretary until very recently. I don't think we will see much of the Motherwell Billionaire for a while.
25-02-2012, 11:52 AM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenginger

I'm sure I read somewhere that if the players are not released in the first 14 days of administration their contracts are deemed to have been taken over by the administrators.

Of course I may have read this in the Daily ****** in which case who knows ?

I have heard from contacts down in the Big Smoke that there is serious amounts of client's cash missing from Pritchards the stockbroker where Whyte was secretary until very recently. I don't think we will see much of the Motherwell Billionaire for a while.

.... is there an IOU for 12 Arsenal shares in there? :greengrin
25-02-2012, 12:05 PM
IWasThere2016

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Are you certain players will go next week or are you certain that is what is being said at Murray Park?
Do you know who at Murray Park is saying players will go next week?
Is the person a player or other member of staff, a supporter of rangers, a supporter of another club or someone waiting for a bus?h

Or.....

Source?

From a pal's pal's son - who is a u/19. Staff and players expecting to be let go.
25-02-2012, 12:08 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onion

Administrators have been in the club for almost 2 weeks and yet not one Rangers player have been laid off?

The first role of the Admins, after securing the assets of the company, is to stop the company haemoraging money. In any other company, staff would have been pushed out the door within a day or two of the Admins walking in, yet these Admins appear happy for the club to continue paying high salaries with other people's money (i.e. our's/HMRC's). WTF is going on ?

This whole affair raises some serious questions about the rest of the pre-split games and validity if any games involving Rangers of Celtic from now on. Last week, Rangers were still playing for the title and had a full (overpaid) squad. In a few days time, they will be depleted and deflated, and any teams playing them now will have a clear advantage over those that had to play them pre-Administration.

This 10 point deduction might be fine for the Livi's and Gretna's, but doesn't come close to addressing the issues of a top 2 club "cheating".

Slightly disagree on this.

The admins have moved relatively quickly, IMO, in what they have done. Finding the missing £24m, ensuring a big pay day last week and (and this is crucial for me) establishing the actual amount of the HMRC debt. They have also been reviewing all departments at RFC from a staffing point of view.

Now that they know just how much money and debt they have, they can make sensible cuts to the staff.
25-02-2012, 01:41 PM
Leithenhibby

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Slightly disagree on this.

The admins have moved relatively quickly, IMO, in what they have done. Finding the missing £24m, ensuring a big pay day last week and (and this is crucial for me) establishing the actual amount of the HMRC debt. They have also been reviewing all departments at RFC from a staffing point of view.

Now that they know just how much money and debt they have, they can make sensible cuts to the staff.

This sounds reasonable enough to me as they (players) would have been paid this months wages.

Fair to say that the next few days will be crucial in getting the staff reduced to a manageable level ....

Roll on the next episode :greengrin
25-02-2012, 04:28 PM
Hibercelona

https://www.saverangers.com/#tab_1

Anyone?.....

:tumble:
25-02-2012, 04:42 PM
PatHead

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

https://www.saverangers.com/#tab_1

Anyone?.....

:tumble:

Know a lot of Celtic supporters who are in for a few hundred thousand.....................
25-02-2012, 04:47 PM
jonty

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

https://www.saverangers.com/#tab_1

Anyone?.....

:tumble:

You know, for a couple of minutes, I thought that said scavengers.com :greengrin
25-02-2012, 05:04 PM
Hibercelona

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Originally Posted by jonty

You know, for a couple of minutes, I thought that said scavengers.com :greengrin

:greengrin

I thought it said "scroungers". :wink:
25-02-2012, 10:46 PM
SteveHFC

JJB are doing Buy 1 get 1 free Rangers top's

http://www.jjbsports...setFilters=true

Might become a bit of collectors item soon!
:faf:
25-02-2012, 11:17 PM
SteveHFC

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...uncovered.html
26-02-2012, 10:11 AM
AustinHibee

Strathclyde police have said they have been assured they will receive their money for policing
next home ensuring it will go ahead.
Surely that money should go to the likes of Dunfermline and Dundee Utd as they are owed that
for something that has already taken place as opposed to something that has yet to happen.
26-02-2012, 10:13 AM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinHibee

Strathclyde police have said they have been assured they will receive their money for policing
next home ensuring it will go ahead.
Surely that money should go to the likes of Dunfermline and Dundee Utd as they are owed that
for something that has already taken place as opposed to something that has yet to happen.

SP are crucial to the game going ahead. If it doesn't, then there is less chance of those clubs getting their money than if it does.
26-02-2012, 10:33 AM
CentreLine

If Craig Whyte was found to have run off with cash from Ticketus would that smell a lot like Long Firm Fraud? I am no accountant but my understanding of Long Firm Fraud is where a company builds up trust with a supplier over a period of time them stings them for a shed load of goods (or perhaps a loan) and disappears with those goods. Not sure that this is happening in this case but I thought for a moment I smelled a bit of a whiff in the air :confused:
26-02-2012, 10:38 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

If Craig Whyte was found to have run off with cash from Ticketus would that smell a lot like Long Firm Fraud? I am no accountant but my understanding of Long Firm Fraud is where a company builds up trust with a supplier over a period of time them stings them for a shed load of goods (or perhaps a loan) and disappears with those goods. Not sure that this is happening in this case but I thought for a moment I smelled a bit of a whiff in the air :confused:

I'm still unconvinced about the criminality in that. He was owed £18m by RFC. His defence would be that the £24m was payment for that, "plus a wee bit for masel, yer honour " :greengrin

The extra £6m could be the crux, though. Whilst loans to directors of that amount are technically illegal, I can't remember seeing anybody prosecuted for it. In most cases, they are dealt with in retrospect by awarding dividends or bonuses. Also, we dont know whether CW repaid the £6m to RFC after he got the Ticketus money
26-02-2012, 10:43 AM
CentreLine

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm still unconvinced about the criminality in that. He was owed £18m by RFC. His defence would be that the £24m was payment for that, "plus a wee bit for masel, yer honour " :greengrin

Good point :agree:
26-02-2012, 01:38 PM
WindyMiller

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm still unconvinced about the criminality in that. He was owed £18m by RFC. His defence would be that the £24m was payment for that, "plus a wee bit for masel, yer honour " :greengrin

The extra £6m could be the crux, though. Whilst loans to directors of that amount are technically illegal, I can't remember seeing anybody prosecuted for it. In most cases, they are dealt with in retrospect by awarding dividends or bonuses. Also, we dont know whether CW repaid the £6m to RFC after he got the Ticketus money

But surely £4m of that money was VAT?
26-02-2012, 04:18 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by WindyMiller

But surely £4m of that money was VAT?

Not sure of your point.

The £4m VAT element is payable by RFC, no matter what. If they haven't had any of the £24m from Ticketus, that means they are doubly stuffed. :greengrin

(actually, I am sure I read somewhere that they had already paid that VAT.)
26-02-2012, 05:40 PM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure of your point.

The £4m VAT element is payable by RFC, no matter what. If they haven't had any of the £24m from Ticketus, that means they are doubly stuffed. :greengrin

(actually, I am sure I read somewhere that they had already paid that VAT.)

I think I read that the HMRC took the funds they had frozen in RFC's bank account to settle the " small tax case ", which Whyte subsequently appealed, and that was used to pay towards the outstanding VAT.
26-02-2012, 09:27 PM
Hibs Class

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Ally of the McCoist has said that finishing second in the league is worth £900k more than finishing 3rd which means they should keeptheir players in order to achieve that.
Could that be an own goal? the administrators can now calculate how much savings can be made by releasing players against a £900k target which may or may not be achieved with his current squad.

I'd be surprised if insolvency law allowed administrators to take a punt on what are effectively funds that belong to creditors.
26-02-2012, 10:17 PM
hibbytam

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Ally of the McCoist has said that finishing second in the league is worth £900k more than finishing 3rd which means they should keeptheir players in order to achieve that.
Could that be an own goal? the administrators can now calculate how much savings can be made by releasing players against a £900k target which may or may not be achieved with his current squad.

But why then do every other club that enter administration start with large scale lay-offs? Each of those clubs would earn more money by keeping expensive good players. Not an expert in such matters, but it just seems wrong that Rangers are in administration, but are able to keep all their players, and so able to continue as normal.
26-02-2012, 10:30 PM
Twa Cairpets

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Originally Posted by hibbytam

But why then do every other club that enter administration start with large scale lay-offs? Each of those clubs would earn more money by keeping expensive good players. Not an expert in such matters, but it just seems wrong that Rangers are in administration, but are able to keep all their players, and so able to continue as normal.

Administrtion is essentially a means to keep the business running as a going concern if possible - it usually involves reducing headcount in a business, but doesnt always. The argument I'm guessing is that the on an ongoing trading basis, Rangers can meet their liabilities if not their historic debt. If you think of it as if it was manufacturing business - a company still needs to make stuff, and if they lay of their best machine operators they can't meet orders for the same price or lead-time that a competitor can, therefore their future ability to trade out of a administration is reduced. I'm guessing the same type of consideration is in the mind of the administrators - if they lay of the their best players, their customers will not by their product, and the income reduction will fall below that which would be saved by the salary saving.

That said, the debt (not counting the BTC) they have does need to be paid off, so if some reduction in staffing isnt made I'd be very, very surprised.
27-02-2012, 07:04 AM
Ozyhibby

They are losing nearly a million pound a month without dealing with their historic debt to the taxman. If the administrator does not make cuts to wipe out this shortfall then they are not doing their job. If they can't prove to creditors that rangers can be run at a profit and the debt repaid then they have no chance of a CVA.
I think you will see mass lay offs this week, probably tues.
27-02-2012, 07:11 AM
Hibernia&Alba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They are losing nearly a million pound a month without dealing with their historic debt to the taxman. If the administrator does not make cuts to wipe out this shortfall then they are not doing their job. If they can't prove to creditors that rangers can be run at a profit and the debt repaid then they have no chance of a CVA.
I think you will see mass lay offs this week, probably tues.

I would think so. I do feel for those employees who are going to lose their jobs; those who do the day to day work that we don't see. It's going to hit families hard at a time when the jobs market is very difficult. Any players released will be fine, but others will suffer hardship. For all the fun I get from seeing the Huns in such a mess, there will be innocent casualties.
27-02-2012, 07:45 AM
spike220

There is no place at this day in age for a team who promotes and is based sectarian hatred. Their culture and songs are not a welcome part of the football landscape. I would extend my statement to any other clubs.

If Rangers die away I am okay with that. If they are forced to pay thier taxes they most probably will die away. This will be progress.
27-02-2012, 08:31 AM
Leithenhibby

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I would think so. I do feel for those employees who are going to lose their jobs; those who do the day to day work that we don't see. It's going to hit families hard at a time when the jobs market is very difficult. Any players released will be fine, but others will suffer hardship. For all the fun I get from seeing the Huns in such a mess, there will be innocent casualties.

And that is the real sad thing about this mess.

Having said that, I can't wait for RFC to be told that what they were/are doing is wrong, and they must pay the price for what amounts to cheating :agree: Call it what you will...
27-02-2012, 08:32 AM
jonty

Midweek D-day for Rangers players and staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17170881

Quote:

Rangers' administrators are expected to make an announcement on the future of
the Scottish champions' staff and players on Tuesday or Wednesday.
27-02-2012, 08:43 AM
IWasThere2016

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Originally Posted by jonty

Midweek D-day for Rangers players and staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17170881

They just read ma posts :cool2:
27-02-2012, 09:00 AM
jonty

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQM

They just read ma posts :cool2:

which ambiguous set of posts was that then? :wink:
27-02-2012, 11:18 AM
ancienthibby

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Originally Posted by jonty

which ambiguous set of posts was that then? :wink:

Beeb Radio reporting that RFC have been fined £50,000 by the PLUS Stock Exchange for not reporting key information about Craikie Whyte.

I guess they'll not be looking for immediate payment!:greengrin
27-02-2012, 11:46 AM
TheEastTerrace

No punches pulled here from Michael Grant in The Herald

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...bbily.16859239
27-02-2012, 12:12 PM
johnrebus

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Originally Posted by moff1875

No punches pulled here from Michael Grant in The Herald

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...bbily.16859239

Hmmm...,

Yet another article from that ever growing band of journalists who told us all about the bad man Whyte before the **** hit the fan. Its a bit like the 2 million Celtic fans who claim to have been in Seville for the Uefa Cup Final.

If I see the words, Scottish, Great, Rangers and Institution, again in the same sentence, I think I will throw up.

:brickwall
27-02-2012, 12:14 PM
IWasThere2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonty

which ambiguous set of posts was that then? :wink:

Only ambiguity is between yer ears! :wink:
27-02-2012, 12:17 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by johnrebus

Hmmm...,

Yet another article from that ever growing band of journalists who told us all about the bad man Whyte before the **** hit the fan. Its a bit like the 2 million Celtic fans who claim to have been in Seville for the Uefa Cup Final.

If I see the words, Scottish, Great, Rangers and Institution, again in the same sentence, I think I will throw up.

:brickwall

Wouldn't it be Great for all right-thinking Scottish people if all Rangers supporters were put in an Institution?

:greengrin
27-02-2012, 12:39 PM
grunt

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Originally Posted by moff1875

No punches pulled here from Michael Grant in The Herald
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...bbily.16859239

Mistake in the very first sentence. Does no one proof read articles in the press any more?
27-02-2012, 12:53 PM
TheEastTerrace

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Originally Posted by johnrebus

Hmmm...,

Yet another article from that ever growing band of journalists who told us all about the bad man Whyte before the **** hit the fan. Its a bit like the 2 million Celtic fans who claim to have been in Seville for the Uefa Cup Final.

If I see the words, Scottish, Great, Rangers and Institution, again in the same sentence, I think I will throw up.

:brickwall

Those journalists in the mainstream media turned a blind eye to it for years. They are just as culpable as the SFA, SPL and others in not having any checks and balances to ensure Rangers didn't end up in this mess.

Whoever writes Rangerstaxcase.com and Phil Mac were running this story online for a long time before the Scottish mainstream media hacks woke up and stopped regurgating press releases from PR men at Ibrox.
27-02-2012, 12:57 PM
jonty

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Originally Posted by TQM

Only ambiguity is between yer ears! :wink:

Thats a no then :wink:
27-02-2012, 01:05 PM
PatHead

Rangers definately were "bullet proof" under David Murray with constant bum licking from likes of Chick Young. Bunch of self rightous hippocrytes. I remember when Celtic were almost going under and the papers put a hearse outside Parkhead.

The majority of the papers seem to blame either or both of Whyte and David Murray. Other culpable board members such as Paul Murray and the guy in US who BBC love are getting away Scot free as they may be involved in the new bigoted "institution" which will evolve.

Next year at this time it will be same old, same old......
27-02-2012, 01:12 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

Rangers definately were "bullet proof" under David Murray with constant bum licking from likes of Chick Young. Bunch of self rightous hippocrytes. I remember when Celtic were almost going under and the papers put a hearse outside Parkhead.

The majority of the papers seem to blame either or both of Whyte and David Murray. Other culpable board members such as Paul Murray and the guy in US who BBC love are getting away Scot free as they may be involved in the new bigoted "institution" which will evolve.

Next year at this time it will be same old, same old......

I'm not sure if I agree here. In years gone by, I think you would have been right. However, things are so high-profile now that there will be a public demand (from the wider taxpaying community as well as football supporters) for the "right thing" to be done.
27-02-2012, 01:25 PM
PatHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm not sure if I agree here. In years gone by, I think you would have been right. However, things are so high-profile now that there will be a public demand (from the wider taxpaying community as well as football supporters) for the "right thing" to be done.

We will need to agree to disagree on this.

Still feel that Rangers will evolve into Glasgow Rangers 2012 Ltd (or something similar)and be co-opted into the SPL at behest of Sky and Celtic. The press will once again get down and worship at this great Protestant, Scottish, world class, institution and remark how well they have done at reforming, all the other clubs, Hibs included, will bend over and take it. The greatest opportunity ever to revolutionise Scottish football wasted.
27-02-2012, 01:34 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

We will need to agree to disagree on this.

Still feel that Rangers will evolve into Glasgow Rangers 2012 Ltd (or something similar)and be co-opted into the SPL at behest of Sky and Celtic. The press will once again get down and worship at this great Protestant, Scottish, world class, institution and remark how well they have done at reforming, all the other clubs, Hibs included, will bend over and take it. The greatest opportunity ever to revolutionise Scottish football wasted.

Happy Monday? :greengrin

You're probably right. Maybe I'm expressing what I'd like to happen.
27-02-2012, 01:41 PM
Andy74

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

We will need to agree to disagree on this.

Still feel that Rangers will evolve into Glasgow Rangers 2012 Ltd (or something similar)and be co-opted into the SPL at behest of Sky and Celtic. The press will once again get down and worship at this great Protestant, Scottish, world class, institution and remark how well they have done at reforming, all the other clubs, Hibs included, will bend over and take it. The greatest opportunity ever to revolutionise Scottish football wasted.

Don't doubt any of that.
27-02-2012, 01:49 PM
jdships

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottis...ange_1_2141342

More financial problems !!
27-02-2012, 02:06 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdships

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottis...ange_1_2141342

More financial problems !!

Ach, no problem. Cousin's no signed now, so 6 weeks of his wages. Sorted.
27-02-2012, 04:18 PM
johnrebus

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Wouldn't it be Great for all right-thinking Scottish people if all Rangers supporters were put in an Institution?

:greengrin

It would be great, if it wasn't for the fact that we - the taxpayers - would end up paying for that too.............,

:boo hoo:
27-02-2012, 04:20 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrebus

It would be great, if it wasn't for the fact that we - the taxpayers - would end up paying for that too.............,

:boo hoo:

Um... whoosh?

That was your cue to throw up :wink:
27-02-2012, 04:43 PM
CropleyWasGod

Another Craigy boy story that I have to share:-

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23765406/

The guy in the story is an old mate of mine. However, the "stuntman" bit is pure Whyte. He was a dancer. Obviously, the ****** doesn't recognise the concept of Weegie men in non-macho occupations. :rolleyes:
27-02-2012, 04:53 PM
ancienthibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Another Craigy boy story that I have to share:-

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23765406/

The guy in the story is an old mate of mine. However, the "stuntman" bit is pure Whyte. He was a dancer. Obviously, the ****** doesn't recognise the concept of Weegie men in non-macho occupations. :rolleyes:

Of course not - it employs Traynor!!:faf:
27-02-2012, 06:32 PM
Vini1875

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Another Craigy boy story that I have to share:-

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23765406/

The guy in the story is an old mate of mine. However, the "stuntman" bit is pure Whyte. He was a dancer. Obviously, the ****** doesn't recognise the concept of Weegie men in non-macho occupations. :rolleyes:

Renfrew and motherwell are not Glasgow. How come anyone west of Corstorphine suddenly becomes a weegie?
27-02-2012, 06:33 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vini1875

Renfrew and motherwell are not Glasgow. How come anyone west of Corstorphine suddenly becomes a weegie?

The clue is the bit where I said that he's a mate of mine :na na:

ps I thought Haymarket was the cut-off point for Weegies, anyway?
27-02-2012, 06:41 PM
green glory

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vini1875

Renfrew and motherwell are not Glasgow. How come anyone west of Corstorphine suddenly becomes a weegie?

Anywhere west of Ratho. That's where the Old Firm poison begins in earnest.
27-02-2012, 06:48 PM
stokesmessiah

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...sing-millions-

Did anyone hear this?

Just picked up the link on the Bears Den where people are still arguing the case for CW. Apparently the lie about ticketus money was not enough to make them worried about what he is saying now.
27-02-2012, 06:53 PM
The_Todd

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Originally Posted by Vini1875

Renfrew and motherwell are not Glasgow. How come anyone west of Corstorphine suddenly becomes a weegie?

Have you ever been to Livingston? Close your eyes, listen to the accent and you could easily imagine you were in Sauchiehall Street.
27-02-2012, 07:05 PM
ancient hibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Todd

Have you ever been to Livingston? Close your eyes, listen to the accent and you could easily imagine you were in Sauchiehall Street.

More like Karachi.
27-02-2012, 07:51 PM
At The Edge

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Originally Posted by The_Todd

Have you ever been to Livingston? Close your eyes, listen to the accent and you could easily imagine you were in Sauchiehall Street.

its more a hybrid central scotland accent in livingston,
although when you visit the centre you would think you were in Glasgow with the amount of infirm strips and other tat on.
Harthill is currently midway through its hun relief fortnight, clanking buckie bottles together in appreciation of all things orange in a desperate attempt to raise funds
:pfgwa
27-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Redford Raj

Quote:

Originally Posted by At The Edge

its more a hybrid central scotland accent in livingston,
although when you visit the centre you would think you were in Glasgow with the amount of infirm strips and other tat on.
Harthill is currently midway through its hun relief fortnight, clanking buckie bottles together in appreciation of all things orange in a desperate attempt to raise funds
:pfgwa

why are we so up our a@@@ about rankers lets celebrate that we are the Hibees and not in financial bother. Let the rankers die in misery
27-02-2012, 08:31 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redford Raj

why are we so up our a@@@ about rankers lets celebrate that we are the Hibees and not in financial bother. Let the rankers die in misery

Celebrating nice Balance Sheets isn't fun.

Schadenfreude is. :agree:

And, if you think 53 pages on the lingering agony of RFC is up our ass, just wait until it's the Hertz' turn....
27-02-2012, 08:38 PM
SteveHFC

What players do you think will be away?

Hopefully all of them :greengrin
27-02-2012, 08:53 PM
Mark79

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs&sns=em

Sorry if already posted. Brilliant.
27-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Redford Raj

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Celebrating nice Balance Sheets isn't fun.

Schadenfreude is. :agree:

And, if you think 53 pages on the lingering agony of RFC is up our ass, just wait until it's the Hertz' turn....

I can't wait for that!
27-02-2012, 09:10 PM
hfc rd

I heard that Kyle lafferty is going to be the first one punted. Supposedly if he plays two more games for rangers then rangers owe burnley fc something like £500K, which is obvious they don't have and I think the admins have told ally that he can't play as they can't fork out £500K. Heard it from a mate at work who is a rangers season ticket holder.
27-02-2012, 09:18 PM
Redford Raj

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

I heard that Kyle lafferty is going to be the first one punted. Supposedly if he plays two more games for rangers then rangers owe burnley fc something like £500K, which is obvious they don't have and I think the admins have told ally that he can't play as they can't fork out £500K. Heard it from a mate at work who is a rangers season ticket holder.

Crumbs off their table we are Hibees 'we maybe the new people'.
27-02-2012, 09:23 PM
TornadoHibby

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

I heard that Kyle lafferty is going to be the first one punted. Supposedly if he plays two more games for rangers then rangers owe burnley fc something like £500K, which is obvious they don't have and I think the admins have told ally that he can't play as they can't fork out £500K. Heard it from a mate at work who is a rangers season ticket holder.

Might be the reason he's been "injured" for so long! :wink: :greengrin
27-02-2012, 09:27 PM
hfc rd

Have a feeling lee wallace will be the next casualty as rangers owe the yams £800K. Be so funny if that is the case.
27-02-2012, 09:31 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Have a feeling lee wallace will be the next casualty as rangers owe the yams £800K. Be so funny if that is the case.

Wouldn't affect the amount they owe, though.
27-02-2012, 09:35 PM
Leithenhibby

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Wouldn't affect the amount they owe, though.

No, but we have touched upon that fact that there will be a lot of innocent people/ companies involved through no fault of their own :aok:
27-02-2012, 09:36 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by LeithenHibby

No, but we have touched upon that fact that there will be a lot of innocent people/ companies involved through no fault of their own :aok:

The poor wee lambs.....:greengrin
27-02-2012, 09:44 PM
Redford Raj

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Have a feeling lee wallace will be the next casualty as rangers owe the yams £800K. Be so funny if that is the case.

what have the Sun and the Sun on Sunday have found out about Rankers. ****** all just the date for the Independence Referendum and the Scotsman and Scotsman on Sunday about Hearts ****** all the same. Alec Salmond
27-02-2012, 09:45 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Redford Raj

what have the Sun and the Sun on Sunday have found out about Rankers. ****** all just the date for the Independence Referendum and the Scotsman and Scotsman on Sunday about Hearts ****** all the same. Alec Salmond

Thanks for that, Alec. :wink:
27-02-2012, 09:54 PM
Redford Raj

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Thanks for that, Alec. :wink:

I agree Cropley was a god. Alec Salmond was maybe Hearts supporter. How does a person who was born and bred a sheep becomes a Hearts Supporter the mind boggles.
27-02-2012, 09:57 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Redford Raj

I agree Cropley was a god. Alec Salmond was maybe Hearts supporter. How does a person who was born and bred a sheep becomes a Hearts Supporter the mind boggles.

He was born and brought up in Linlithgow.
27-02-2012, 10:19 PM
Twa Cairpets

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He was born and brought up in Linlithgow.

Which I would hasten to add does not make one a yam
27-02-2012, 10:20 PM
jgl07

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Wouldn't affect the amount they owe, though.

Plus Lee Wallace is saleable. Villa were interested.
27-02-2012, 10:25 PM
Redford Raj

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Originally Posted by TwoCarpets

Which I would hasten to add does not make one a yam

Have we got a nickname for a Linlithgow Rose supporter? Maybe a yamette because of the colour of their strip!
27-02-2012, 10:29 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Redford Raj

Have we got a nickname for a Linlithgow Rose supporter? Maybe a yamette because of the colour of their strip!

A Bo'ness United fan without the bus fare?:confused:
27-02-2012, 10:34 PM
Redford Raj

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

A Bo'ness United fan without the bus fare?:confused:

Shall we forward this to David Cameron
27-02-2012, 10:59 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Redford Raj

Shall we forward this to David Cameron

Lost me
27-02-2012, 11:23 PM
monktonharp

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Originally Posted by At The Edge

its more a hybrid central scotland accent in livingston,
although when you visit the centre you would think you were in Glasgow with the amount of infirm strips and other tat on.
Harthill is currently midway through its hun relief fortnight, clanking buckie bottles together in appreciation of all things orange in a desperate attempt to raise funds
:pfgwa

try going to Asda at the Jewel aboot 1am in the morning if your looking for fat lassies fae the Pans or Turnent wearin' Rangers/Celtic strips.the bit I dinnae get on here tho' is calling somedae a weegie, if they have a bit of a west twang, say words like aff, instead o' oaf, geezabrek, instead o' give me a break etc. I was brought up in a wee mining village (Newcraighall) and we had loadsa different twangs fae shotts/benhar tae nitten/gorebrig, halbeath/cowdenbeath, dozens of wee slang words that are all part o' Scotland, or mainly the central belt. the village was mair like a mussie/fisherow accent although now part o' Edinburgh but ah cannae mind o' any Corstorphine or Morninside accents at ma wee school, and I'm proud o' that!. A best mate's auld man spoke wi' a broad Shotts accent but wisnae classed as a weegie/underclass and i've worked wi' some top guys fi Glesga' guys over the years, jist dinnae cunderstand this weegie bit! I do hope for the worst though,for Rangers. and I do mean that, not "Glasgow Rangers" which is not the club's name.
28-02-2012, 07:24 AM
Seveno

In all the talk about players about to be made redundant, I don't recall seeing any suggestions that the manager might be shown the door. It happened with Dundee so why not at Castle Greyskull ?

' Gie's a job, Sue !' :cb
28-02-2012, 07:35 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Seveno

In all the talk about players about to be made redundant, I don't recall seeing any suggestions that the manager might be shown the door. It happened with Dundee so why not at Castle Greyskull ?

' Gie's a job, Sue !' :cb

McCoist has stated he does not want anything to do with trimming the playing squad. Dereliction of duty in my opinion,may'be he is looking for an exit route but dos'nt want to be seen as a rat leaving a sinking ship.
28-02-2012, 07:48 AM
johnrebus

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Originally Posted by greenginger

McCoist has stated he does not want anything to do with trimming the playing squad. Dereliction of duty in my opinion,may'be he is looking for an exit route but dos'nt want to be seen as a rat leaving a sinking ship.

Since the day he punched Mark Fulton from behind, I've always liked this description of him.

:cb
28-02-2012, 08:09 AM
alfie

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Originally Posted by greenginger

McCoist has stated he does not want anything to do with trimming the playing squad. Dereliction of duty in my opinion,may'be he is looking for an exit route but dos'nt want to be seen as a rat leaving a sinking ship.

Maybe he wants to leave it to Duff & Phelps to choose them from a purely financial perspective? Although getting rid of Sally might save a fair wedge as well. Do they have any other first team coaches that could do the job? Might also save on their pie bill as well, come to think of it!
Maybe he knows he is getting the boot, which is why he doesnt want to choose players to go as well. Might be seen as bad form (which presumably would be a first from him)? :dunno:
28-02-2012, 08:20 AM
EuanH78

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Originally Posted by alfie

Maybe he wants to leave it to Duff & Phelps to choose them from a purely financial perspective? Although getting rid of Sally might save a fair wedge as well. Do they have any other first team coaches that could do the job? Might also save on their pie bill as well, come to think of it!
Maybe he knows he is getting the boot, which is why he doesnt want to choose players to go as well. Might be seen as bad form (which presumably would be a first from him)? :dunno:

Doesn't want to get his hands dirty making the necessary, difficult decisions. Cowardly IMO, but that about sums Sally up eh?
28-02-2012, 09:07 AM
CropleyWasGod

Okay, here is today's topic for discussion, guys. Yet another twist:-

http://m.dailyrecord.co.uk/ms/p/tmg/...638956&cat=SPL

The lawyers among us can explain the legal issues, particularly the difference between Scots and English Law.

However, from my perspective, if the Ticketus deal is set aside, it has the following implications.

1. RFC get all their own season ticket money for the next few seasons.

2. Ticketus get stiffed for the £24m. They would then either pick that up through insurance, or through the guarantee that CW says he made.

3. CW/RFCG's security comes back into play.

Pretty significant, IMO.

Thoughts?
28-02-2012, 09:12 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by monktonharp

try going to Asda at the Jewel aboot 1am in the morning if your looking for fat lassies fae the Pans or Turnent wearin' Rangers/Celtic strips.the bit I dinnae get on here tho' is calling somedae a weegie, if they have a bit of a west twang, say words like aff, instead o' oaf, geezabrek, instead o' give me a break etc. I was brought up in a wee mining village (Newcraighall) and we had loadsa different twangs fae shotts/benhar tae nitten/gorebrig, halbeath/cowdenbeath, dozens of wee slang words that are all part o' Scotland, or mainly the central belt. the village was mair like a mussie/fisherow accent although now part o' Edinburgh but ah cannae mind o' any Corstorphine or Morninside accents at ma wee school, and I'm proud o' that!. A best mate's auld man spoke wi' a broad Shotts accent but wisnae classed as a weegie/underclass and i've worked wi' some top guys fi Glesga' guys over the years, jist dinnae cunderstand this weegie bit! I do hope for the worst though,for Rangers. and I do mean that, not "Glasgow Rangers" which is not the club's name.

Ach, after defending you in one thread, you go and post this! :wink:

Why are you proud that you can't remember if there were any Morningside or Corstorphine accents in your class at school?
28-02-2012, 09:16 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Okay, here is today's topic for discussion, guys. Yet another twist:-

http://m.dailyrecord.co.uk/ms/p/tmg/...638956&cat=SPL

The lawyers among us can explain the legal issues, particularly the difference between Scots and English Law.

However, from my perspective, if the Ticketus deal is set aside, it has the following implications.

1. RFC get all their own season ticket money for the next few seasons.

2. Ticketus get stiffed for the £24m. They would then either pick that up through insurance, or through the guarantee that CW says he made.

3. CW/RFCG's security comes back into play.

Pretty significant, IMO.

Thoughts?

So Rangers are in effect, stealing from Ticketus or from their insurance company?
28-02-2012, 09:17 AM
Squealing pig

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Originally Posted by Redford Raj

Have we got a nickname for a Linlithgow Rose supporter? Maybe a yamette because of the colour of their strip!

Yam will do fine they're just as dirty as jambos in my eyes
28-02-2012, 09:21 AM
hibs0666

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Okay, here is today's topic for discussion, guys. Yet another twist:-

http://m.dailyrecord.co.uk/ms/p/tmg/...638956&cat=SPL

The lawyers among us can explain the legal issues, particularly the difference between Scots and English Law.

However, from my perspective, if the Ticketus deal is set aside, it has the following implications.

1. RFC get all their own season ticket money for the next few seasons.

2. Ticketus get stiffed for the £24m. They would then either pick that up through insurance, or through the guarantee that CW says he made.

3. CW/RFCG's security comes back into play.

Pretty significant, IMO.

Thoughts?

It's a bit of a mad article. On one hand it says that the deal can be ignored. On the other hand it says that the administrators are after £4 million from that deal.

With such uncertainty there is no danger that that the admnistrators will get access to the loot unless ordered by a court. And, if it is ordered by a court, then that would indicate that Ticketus do indeed own the tickets after all.
28-02-2012, 09:22 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

So Rangers are in effect, stealing from Ticketus or from their insurance company?

...or from CW.:greengrin

Can't see it as stealing, TBH. They are trying to have a contract set aside, and the situation returned to where it was before the deal happened.

My confusion is over who had the contract in the first place..... CW or RFC... and I think that's at the heart of the matter here.
28-02-2012, 09:23 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

It's a bit of a mad article. On one hand it says that the deal can be ignored. On the other hand it says that the administrators are after £4 million from that deal.

With such uncertainty there is no danger that that the admnistrators will get access to the loot unless ordered by a court. And, if it is ordered by a court, then that would indicate that Ticketus do indeed own the tickets after all.

Yeah, I got that bit too. But remember that RFC are down £4m in that they paid the VAT on the deal. So, if the deal is set aside, HMRC are due RFC £4m. (or, RFC are due £4m less to HMRC :greengrin)

As for it being "mad", we have to remind ourselves that this is football journalists talking. Not to undermine what they have found out in terms of "facts", but sometimes they don't understand the issues. eg STV saying that RFC took VAT off player's wages. :rolleyes:
28-02-2012, 09:28 AM
IWasThere2016

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

It's a bit of a mad article. On one hand it says that the deal can be ignored. On the other hand it says that the administrators are after £4 million from that deal.

With such uncertainty there is no danger that that the admnistrators will get access to the loot unless ordered by a court. And, if it is ordered by a court, then that would indicate that Ticketus do indeed own the tickets after all.

Yup :confused: not follow following (see what I did there :greengrin) that at all
28-02-2012, 09:35 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by TQM

Yup :confused: not follow following (see what I did there :greengrin) that at all

They are saying there is no surrender yet. :wink:
28-02-2012, 10:26 AM
greenginger

I don't get the bit about " personal rights cannot be assigned ". I would have thought any rights a season ticket holder had ended at the expiry of the season ticket.

Also its been stated this system of Ticketus funding has been on going at Ibrox, all be it on a much smaller scale, for a number of seasons so a precedent of Season tickets being sold on behalf of Ticketus has been established.
28-02-2012, 10:43 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by greenginger

I don't get the bit about " personal rights cannot be assigned ". I would have thought any rights a season ticket holder had ended at the expiry of the season ticket.

Also its been stated this system of Ticketus funding has been on going at Ibrox, all be it on a much smaller scale, for a number of seasons so a precedent of Season tickets being sold on behalf of Ticketus has been established.

Yeah, we need a lawyer :greengrin

My question is.... in most (all?) contracts, there is a clause stating what law applies, ie English or Scots. Shirley this would have been expressed?
28-02-2012, 10:49 AM
ScottB

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Originally Posted by Seveno

In all the talk about players about to be made redundant, I don't recall seeing any suggestions that the manager might be shown the door. It happened with Dundee so why not at Castle Greyskull ?

' Gie's a job, Sue !' :cb

Has he not taken a voluntary 80% pay cut?
28-02-2012, 11:11 AM
Twa Cairpets

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Originally Posted by Bo'nessHibee

Yam will do fine they're just as dirty as jambos in my eyes

Oy. "Judge not a team by the colour of the strip they choose to wear, although it be an unfortunate choice in the eyes of the righteous". I'm sure that's in the bible. Probably. :greengrin

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