Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

Was there any trouble last night or was it mostly just people going home a bit sad?

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Sky news coverage different to BBC. Apparently thousands of fans outside the stadium drinking from 10 am, was apparently a feral atmosphere at 2pm no doubt resulting in pissed ticketless fans storming into the stadium. Lot of trouble in central London something like 19 police injured. Apparently Danny Mills indicated at end of the game fans were throwing cans into some of the media sections just missing Skys Martin Tyler.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Plenty videos doing the rounds showing disturbing attacks on Italian fans with racial insults thrown in for good measure. One video in particular that I found sickening is of a young Italian boy getting slapped around by a mob of grown men. I'm not going to post them on here but I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding them. The racial abuse their own players are getting is quite astounding, like I said earlier it reminds me of scenes from a different place in a different era.

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It would be wrong, I think, to try and make out that this sort of thing is reflective of today's England support. Most of the TV features which focused on fans gathered around the country showed big, family friendly groups of punters all there just to will on their team. A significant amount of ethnic diversity among them, in the stadium and, of course, within the team. Anyone trying to make racist mileage out of the defeat (particularly those hiding behind social media) isn't a football fan, just a racist. Twitter etc need to do a lot more to deplatform this sort of nonsense.

While the colour of the players who missed the penalties should be irrelevant, it would have been wonderfully inspiring to see those youngsters become this morning's front page heroes.

Video going about of england fans attacking Italians coming out of Wembley even looks like a middle age man attacking kids.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

It would be wrong, I think, to try and make out that this sort of thing is reflective of today's England support. Most of the TV features which focused on fans gathered around the country showed big, family friendly groups of punters all there just to will on their team. A significant amount of ethnic diversity among them, in the stadium and, of course, within the team. Anyone trying to make racist mileage out of the defeat (particularly those hiding behind social media) isn't a football fan, just a racist. Twitter etc need to do a lot more to deplatform this sort of nonsense.

While the colour of the players who missed the penalties should be irrelevant, it would have been wonderfully inspiring to see those youngsters become this morning's front page heroes.

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Its very reflective of english football tbh.

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

Scotland were the third lowest ranked team in the competition. Scotland got what everyone who has a clue about football expected. they did well to get a draw against England.

England have a phenomenal level of talent and their biggest weakness is the manager who's negative and can't change a game with a positive sub. he's reactive rather than proactive. however, he's out punched every England manager since Ramsay and he's a genuinely decent guy. I didn't want them to win but honestly, my heart sank when rashford missed, then Sancho and saka. this isn't an unlikeable England squad at all.

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Interesting. By my calculations we ended up the third worst team in the tournament. So there’s something to say about the rankings.

We only bettered Macedonia (0 points) and Turkey (0 points). Poland finished on 1, but had a better goal difference.

Socks need pulling up if we want to have a sniff of Qatar.

I said at the time, not beating Austria at home and Israel away pretty much has ended our qualification campaign.

I hope I’m wrong.

J

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Video going about of england fans attacking Italians coming out of Wembley even looks like a middle age man attacking kids.

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Quite frankly if I was Italian, I’d be in Wembley until they shut off the lights.

J

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Interesting. By my calculations we ended up the third worst team in the tournament. So there’s something to say about the rankings.

We only bettered Macedonia (0 points) and Turkey (0 points). Poland finished on 1, but had a better goal difference.

Socks need pulling up if we want to have a sniff of Qatar.

I said at the time, not beating Austria at home and Israel away pretty much has ended our qualification campaign.

I hope I’m wrong.

J

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If we don't lose to Austria away and beat Israel at home I think that might be just about enough for a playoff as long as we don't take a spanking by Denmark and beat the lesser teams by a few goals

God Save the Queen" is the de facto national anthem of the United Kingdom

So....why have the English hijacked it as belonging to them?😇

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Originally Posted by Sudds_1

God Save the Queen" is the de facto national anthem of the United Kingdom

So....why have the English hijacked it as belonging to them?😇

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It's the de jure anthem of the UK.

But I think you have it the wrong way round, it used to be played for all UK teams, but Us/Wales have moved on and England are left with it. Do NI still use it as well? Not exactly inclusive for them.

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Originally Posted by Sudds_1

God Save the Queen" is the de facto national anthem of the United Kingdom

So....why have the English hijacked it as belonging to them?😇

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Same reason as they sometimes conflate the Union flag as somehow English - because they deem British as English.

Oh, and they dont actually have an English national anthem wont help either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackGreal...22271859888132

Grealish wanted to take a pen he says

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Originally Posted by Sudds_1

God Save the Queen" is the de facto national anthem of the United Kingdom

So....why have the English hijacked it as belonging to them?😇

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They’re welcome to it.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

It's the de jure anthem of the UK.

But I think you have it the wrong way round, it used to be played for all UK teams, but Us/Wales have moved on and England are left with it. Do NI still use it as well? Not exactly inclusive for them.

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It's a toadying prayer on behalf of the monarch, rather than an anthem that unifies the "Nation" and contains an actively divisive final verse (that is no longer used and was, obviously, of its period in history).

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King

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Originally Posted by He's here!

It would be wrong, I think, to try and make out that this sort of thing is reflective of today's England support. Most of the TV features which focused on fans gathered around the country showed big, family friendly groups of punters all there just to will on their team. A significant amount of ethnic diversity among them, in the stadium and, of course, within the team. Anyone trying to make racist mileage out of the defeat (particularly those hiding behind social media) isn't a football fan, just a racist. Twitter etc need to do a lot more to deplatform this sort of nonsense.

While the colour of the players who missed the penalties should be irrelevant, it would have been wonderfully inspiring to see those youngsters become this morning's front page heroes.

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I think you might have your head in the sand. The English national teams supporters are involved in trouble wherever they turn up with the obvious exception being Russia 2018. It doesn't surprise me at all that in the post Brexit era there are now sinister racial undertones in their thuggery.

This might be a small minority of thugs amongst the English fans, but they are enabled by the majority that appear to tolerate them within their ranks.

No idea what makes these folk think racist abuse is OK. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6f470f8cf7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7d76ed0243.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...edbf4feb21.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1e2c3a0ba5.jpg

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Originally Posted by mal

It's a toadying prayer on behalf of the monarch, rather than an anthem that unifies the "Nation" and contains an actively divisive final verse (that is no longer used and was, obviously, of its period in history).

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King

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It's been said often enough, but that's not the official version. It was a satirical take on it in a London journal

.http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk/precious/anthem1

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Originally Posted by mal

It's a toadying prayer on behalf of the monarch, rather than an anthem that unifies the "Nation" and contains an actively divisive final verse (that is no longer used and was, obviously, of its period in history).

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King

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That was never really part of the anthem. It was made up by a magazine.

Of course Flower of Scotland (unofficial as it may be) contains no confrontational lyrics whatsoever 😉

My gripe with both is not really the lyrics tho, it's that they're both awful dirges.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's been said often enough, but that's not the official version. It was a satirical take on it in a London journal

.http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk/precious/anthem1

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Just posted similar. One of those myths too often presented as fact.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

That was never really part of the anthem. It was made up by a magazine.

Of course Flower of Scotland (unofficial as it may be) contains no confrontational lyrics whatsoever [emoji6]

My gripe with both is not really the lyrics tho, it's that they're both awful dirges.

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Straying into holy ground territory but the excuse that it was only a bit of a joke in a magazine is disingenuous.

In the optics of the day, Jocks getting put in their place at a time when Home Rule was on the agenda. The Scottish Office was formed about a decade later to placate those desires.

Not as if a magazine would be used like that in modern times

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...ple-2019-6?amp


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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

It's the de jure anthem of the UK.

But I think you have it the wrong way round, it used to be played for all UK teams, but Us/Wales have moved on and England are left with it. Do NI still use it as well? Not exactly inclusive for them.

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Linfield, sorry I mean the IFA, still use it.

Then they wonder why kids from traditionally nationalist communities would rather support the ROI.

Gareth Southgate said in the press conference that the digital team have said the majority of the racist tweets are from accounts abroad (but not all of them).

I'm not sure if that's a hint towards another state doing it rather than just English fans based abroad.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

No idea what makes these folk think racist abuse is OK. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6f470f8cf7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7d76ed0243.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...edbf4feb21.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1e2c3a0ba5.jpg

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I’m reminded of Claude Rains in Casablanca when Bogart asks him on what grounds he’s shutting down Ricks Café; ‘I’m shocked, shocked! To hear there’s been gambling going on here in this cafe!’ The roulette guy ‘Here’s your winnings sir’, Rains ‘Oh yes, thank you’ (quickly walks off stage carrying his chips)

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Gareth Southgate said in the press conference that the digital team have said the majority of the racist tweets are from accounts abroad (but not all of them).

I'm not sure if that's a hint towards another state doing it rather than just English fans based abroad.

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I think it’s a sign that a nation who need to own a problem and deal with it are only interested in continuing to deflect.

Boris - for all his faults and obvious role played in setting the tone - was making the right noises this morning.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I think it’s a sign that a nation who need to own a problem and deal with it are only interested in continuing to deflect.

Boris - for all his faults and obvious role played in setting the tone - was making the right noises this morning.

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Not really. He said the culprits "should be ashamed of themselves". How about... should be charged given they are guilty of criminal racist abuse?

Johnson is tone deaf as ever and emerges with zero credit. Gary Neville spot on in his assessment this morning.

England were a decent well organized side built from the back. But that’s all they were. They will never have a better chance to win a tournament, home advantage, the kindest draw possible. They were quite impressive, I thought, against Croatia, Czech are and Ukraine, but average in the other games and outplayed in the final. Yes, Southgate seems a decent man and his players stand out by being virtue of real human beings rather than the in bred mutants their educational and political system has perversely thrown up to rule the country. But let’s take a little step backwards from all the hype. They just weren't that good and bottled it into the bargain.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I think you might have your head in the sand. The English national teams supporters are involved in trouble wherever they turn up with the obvious exception being Russia 2018. It doesn't surprise me at all that in the post Brexit era there are now sinister racial undertones in their thuggery.

This might be a small minority of thugs amongst the English fans, but they are enabled by the majority that appear to tolerate them within their ranks.

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I think that's a stretch to say ordinary England fans enable the hooligans. The vast majority are just doing what ordinary football fans do, supporting their team without any inclination towards violence or racist abuse and will be just as disgusted with that sort of behaviour as any reasonable person. Unless you can handle yourself it's not exactly advisable to try and confront or reason with thugs bent on violence - and that applies to all walks of life.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

Not really. He said the culprits "should be ashamed of themselves". How about... should be charged given they are guilty of criminal racist abuse?

Johnson is tone deaf as ever and emerges with zero credit. Gary Neville spot on in his assessment this morning.

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Fair points - but I still think that condemning and stressing that folk “should feel ashamed” is still a few levels above launching a conspiracy theory that blames Johnny Foreigner again, which is abhorrent.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I think you might have your head in the sand. The English national teams supporters are involved in trouble wherever they turn up with the obvious exception being Russia 2018. It doesn't surprise me at all that in the post Brexit era there are now sinister racial undertones in their thuggery.

This might be a small minority of thugs amongst the English fans, but they are enabled by the majority that appear to tolerate them within their ranks.

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Which is of course exactly what happens here in Scotland with football related sectarianism. Except here none of our Lineker equivalents has the balls to make an issue of it and call it out.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Gareth Southgate said in the press conference that the digital team have said the majority of the racist tweets are from accounts abroad (but not all of them).

I'm not sure if that's a hint towards another state doing it rather than just English fans based abroad.

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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Its a bloody effective and cheap way to help foment division in another country.

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

Which is of course exactly what happens here in Scotland with football related sectarianism. Except here none of our Lineker equivalents has the balls to make an issue of it and call it out.

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Graeme Speirs? Pretty vocal about the old and new Huns. Now posted missing from any tv or radio gigs right enough. Sure it's just coincidence. :rolleyes:

Michael Stewart probably going to go the same way.