SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Originally Posted by grunt

You only have to look on this thread. People want cast iron guarantees of something that cannot be forecast. People are scared of what they cannot imagine. So we're stuck with being governed by people that don't care about Scotland. Them's the breaks.

If no one had imagination we would never have discovered new worlds. But it's easier to stick your head in the sand and say, "prove it".

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So an independent Scotland might be better or it might be worse. Is that it?

https://twitter.com/sunday_mail/stat...aY_rH0m4EYSRhg

Tomorrow's front page leads on high-value transactions including vehicle purchases being looked at by police investigating allegations of fraud in the SNP.

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https://twitter.com/sunday_mail/stat...aY_rH0m4EYSRhg

Tomorrow's front page leads on high-value transactions including vehicle purchases being looked at by police investigating allegations of fraud in the SNP.

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Not much info on the front page apart from attention grabbing headline and vague blurb. Not remotely saying "nothing to see here", but a Labour paper pumping an anti-SNP front page isn't really significant.

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Originally Posted by archie

So an independent Scotland might be better or it might be worse. Is that it?

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Actually that is it. I can’t see how anyone would think otherwise.


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Originally Posted by Rumble de Thump

People who think Scotland should remain in the UK tend to be unable to even acknowledge that there are risks and unknows about remaining in the UK.

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Not on my part. However there is much less unknown about the current set up, doesn’t mean I like it.

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Originally Posted by Skol

Not on my part. However there is much less unknown about the current set up, doesn’t mean I like it.

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What do you know about the next ten years within the UK?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65080560

While I don't personally agree a change of PM/FM mid-term necessitates an election, Sarwar is entitled to call out the SNP's double standards here.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

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While I don't personally agree a change of PM/FM mid-term necessitates an election, Sarwar is entitled to call out the SNP's double standards here.

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I guess we could also call out Labour’s double standards on the issue. Did we have an election when McConnnel was appointed?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I guess we could also call out Labour’s double standards on the issue. Did we have an election when McConnnel was appointed?


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Sarwar points that out, referring to Swinney calling it a 'stitch-up' at the time.

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Originally Posted by Kato

What do you know about the next ten years within the UK?

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More than I know if we were independent.

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I guess we could also call out Labour’s double standards on the issue. Did we have an election when McConnnel was appointed?


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I think part.of.the problem was with recent UK government PM changes they made changes that weren't in the party manifesto when elected by the populace but were in their personal ones?

If the new Scottish FM keeps going with the policies the electorate voted for.at the last.eleection then morally its fine, IF they decide to deviate from.that then the right thing to do would be to announce a new election.

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

I think part.of.the problem was with recent UK government PM changes they made changes that weren't in the party manifesto when elected by the populace but were in their personal ones?

If the new Scottish FM keeps going with the policies the electorate voted for.at the last.eleection then morally its fine, IF they decide to deviate from.that then the right thing to do would be to announce a new election.

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I don’t think Forbes or Yousaf have indicated anything that could be called a major change of direction.


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Originally Posted by Skol

More than I know if we were independent.

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A great politicians answer ;.)

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Originally Posted by Kato

A great politicians answer ;.)

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And yours a great interviewers question :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Kato

A great politicians answer ;.)

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Nah, what you’re looking for is:

Well Kato, I’m glad you asked me that question. I’m glad you asked and let me just be absolutely clear on this, our record on being clear about the next ten years is really important. The opposition have had years to sort this and what have we got? Broken promises and empty words. So I just want to be clear about this because it is vitally important, we want to be clear about the next ten years for everyone in this country. No more lies, real clarity for real hard working families.

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Nah, what you’re looking for is:

Well Kato, I’m glad you asked me that question. I’m glad you asked and let me just be absolutely clear on this, our record on being clear about the next ten years is really important. The opposition have had years to sort this and what have we got? Broken promises and empty words. So I just want to be clear about this because it is vitally important, we want to be clear about the next ten years for everyone in this country. No more lies, real clarity for real hard working families.

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Ha ha.. I read that with Boris J's voice ringing in my.ears!

To be fair, almost any politician of any party would come.out with similar to a greater or lesser degree at times!

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

Nah, what you’re looking for is:

Well Kato, I’m glad you asked me that question. I’m glad you asked and let me just be absolutely clear on this, our record on being clear about the next ten years is really important. The opposition have had years to sort this and what have we got? Broken promises and empty words. So I just want to be clear about this because it is vitally important, we want to be clear about the next ten years for everyone in this country. No more lies, real clarity for real hard working families.

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It's the coached "Let me be clear", that all of the Tory Party peeps come out with at the start of a sentence which let's you know: they aren't going to be clear, they will fudged the answer they've chosen to give, it might not have any bearing on the subject at all, they might lie, they might mention "the British people" - with an appendix of possibilities; "Putins Illegal War", "we're coming out of world-wide pandemic", "we are helping those most in need through the energy crisis".

Absolute hokum.

People fall for the tone, the confidence and, when it's there, the plummy accent.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...gn=Social_Flow

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It's the coached "Let me be clear", that all of the Tory Party peeps come out with at the start of a sentence which let's you know: they aren't going to be clear, they will fudged the answer they've chosen to give, it might not have any bearing on the subject at all, they might lie, they might mention "the British people" - with an appendix of possibilities; "Putins Illegal War", "we're coming out of world-wide pandemic", "we are helping those most in need through the energy crisis".

Absolute hokum.

People fall for the tone, the confidence and, when it's there, the plummy accent.

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I will take no lessons...

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Originally Posted by archie

I will take no lessons...

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Already versed?

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Originally Posted by Kato

Already versed?

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Just another politician quite.

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More than I know if we were independent.

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Further down the ****ter for sure.

Unbelievably only 4% of storm drains are monitored in Scotland so we get useless data. Its revealed 14,000 Olympic swimming pools of sewage is poured into Scottish water each year. Who is going to take responsibility.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...s-29583848.amp

Fergal Sharkey is picking up the fight

"Sharkey said: “Scotland’s first problem is simply the sheer scale of the lack of monitoring. But from the few bits of data available… there is just as big a scale of sewage dumping going on in Scotland as there is in England and Wales"

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Unbelievably only 4% of storm drains are monitored in Scotland so we get useless data. Its revealed 14,000 Olympic swimming pools of sewage is poured into Scottish water each year. Who is going to take responsibility.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...s-29583848.amp

Fergal Sharkey is picking up the fight

"Sharkey said: “Scotland’s first problem is simply the sheer scale of the lack of monitoring. But from the few bits of data available… there is just as big a scale of sewage dumping going on in Scotland as there is in England and Wales"

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That's the responsibility of SEPA.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

That's the responsibility of SEPA.

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Their targets aims and objectives are decided by Scottish ministers. They are only one of the parties that need to take the blame along with Scottish water but mostly Scottish government.

Just as the Tories are ultimately to blame for the filth in English waters and not just the environmental agency, Scottish government should rightly be getting blasted for this, its disgusting.

A spokesman for Scottish Water said: “While we acknowledge that our monitoring coverage is not as high as in England and Wales, it is very important to note that 87 per cent of water bodies in Scotland are in good water quality condition and this compares with 16 per cent south of the border.


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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Their targets aims and objectives are decided by Scottish ministers. They are only one of the parties that need to take the blame along with Scottish water but mostly Scottish government.

Just as the Tories are ultimately to blame for the filth in English waters and not just the environmental agency, Scottish government should rightly be getting blasted for this, its disgusting.

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The article is all about the monitoring, and that's 100% on SEPA.

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The article is all about the monitoring, and that's 100% on SEPA.

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Which is a government agency.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

The article is all about the monitoring, and that's 100% on SEPA.

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Sepa's members are chosen by ministers and their objectives are decided by ministers

The article is also about 14,000 swimming pools of ***** being dumped in our water. 12k times sewage was poured into our water. Sepas 87% satisfactory is a nonsense as almost half of sites weren't checked due to poor monitoring. No monitoring on the water of leith, only 350 of 3700 sites are checked.

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Sepa's members are chosen by ministers and their objectives are decided by ministers

The article is also about 14,000 swimming pools of ***** being dumped in our water. 12k times sewage was poured into our water. Sepas 87% satisfactory is a nonsense as almost half of sites weren't checked due to poor monitoring. No monitoring on the water of leith, only 350 of 3700 sites are checked.

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It’s outflows that weren’t monitored. The waterways are. The whole story is full of guesswork about levels of pollution. And that’s enough to make the story. Levels of discharge should be monitored more. There was no need to add guesses about how bad things might be.


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