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I loved the " I could'nt pay HMRC for the VAT and Tax etc because the Clubs bank accounts had been frozen "
There had been money due from May 2011 to January 2012 that was not paid and it was the tax man's fault for freezing the accounts in February 2012. :confused:
He has the never to ask what planet HMRC are on ! Well clearly a different planet from you Craig but, coincidentally, they are on the same planet as the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
What a pile of steaming ordure! The non-excuse for not paying their tax has to be the most repellent thing I have heard in this whole sorry saga.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
I think I love Craig Whyte.
:embarrass
Thought this was an interesting interview
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...nd_05_04_2012/
I think he's talking about the two arrestment orders in September and October 2011 by Bain and McIntyre for £900k. Not being able to pay £900k doesn't impact much on the debt of £14.3m. It's very annoying when interviewers just let these comments pass without calling them for the rubbish they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by grunt
Probably the most relevant interview I've heard during this drama.
When they insist on sending the most ardent Gers fans going to ask the questions it defeats the purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Saying that, surely of all of us, they'd be wanting answers? Guess it just goes to show the sports journos up here are bought and paid for.
IMHO, just been superseded by the former chairman of Leeds United, on BBC Radio Sportsound (check the RS website, it should be up just after 7 p.m.)Quote:
Originally Posted by WindyMiller
He says that the RFC problem will not be solved by well-meaning millionaires, but by a billionaire where total money does not matter.:greengrin
He also says RFC will take years to escape from this operationally and added that issues like the double contracts will not go away.
He's of the view as well that any Newco will face huge cashflow issues with the payroll as high as it is and that will mean significant depletion of the squad.:thumbsup:
CW was supposed to appear in front of the SFA today. He didn't turn up apparently.
Sports journalism is even worse than celebrity journalism these days. It's a bit of a stretch to even call it journalism. Generally speaking, the sports journalists just don't have a clue about any of this (they struggle with football!), so any stories regarding Rangers should be covered by financial journalists at the moment. I suspect this is the main reason we are getting very little in the way of revealing or thought-provoking stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
That's because it isn't journalism it's PR. Chic Young has admitted as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilla Black
There's a great quote from Lord Beaverbrook on the subject which I can't find. If anyone knows it please post.
I think the one you are looking for was when he said he ran the paper "purely for the purposes of making propaganda and for no other purpose"Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
Love this thread and posts on it , i know squat about the ins and outs , but are the huns going into the blender ?, and is CW a patsy ?
£10 from me if I can press the buttonQuote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
Think you might have started something there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrinityHibs
£15 from me if I can do it.
£16.90 and it's yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
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Originally Posted by keekaboo
I'm hoping this will actually work against Rangers. HMRC got their fingers burnt with the Harry Redknapp case, where they obviously thought they had a solid case, so I think they will now be pursuing Rangers with even more zeal to show the UK football community that they can't take the piss out the tax man. HMRC lose this one (or lose the public battle by conceding to a CVA with a few pence in the pound), and it'll be open season in sticking 2 fingers up the taxation laws.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
The whole thing was started by the Big Tax Case (now estimated at £75 million) and the Wee Tax Case (4 million).
Since the takeover a further £14 million has been acrued in unpaid income tax, national insurance and VAT.
Out of a total debt estimated at £93 million, HMRC would get around £11 million from a 13 pence in the pound CVA. Thast would not even cover the £14 million upaid tax since the Whyte takeover which would not have happened but for the two tax cases.
So chasing Rangers for tax fiddling would lose them around £3 million if they accept a CVA! They would become a laughing stock (especially following the dodgy 'Arry case).
Sorry if posted earlier in the thread - think I've read most of it but you never know! I just got this from an Admin.FC supporting mate. Dunno the truth in it......
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Some of these are crazy; we owe over a grand to a wee pub in Bearsden and £400 to a mini market in Milngavie! Also, over £300k owed to Man City- is that still us paying off the Weiss loan? Plus, I'm sure Whyte said we had paid Rapid the Jelavic money...we still owe them over a million!
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Surely a contradiction in terms or were the huns getting their Spam cut into little flute shaped bites.
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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
Thought this from the start and that others are pulling the strings here. Nothing has happened since Valentines Day to change my mind, As the extent of RFC's financial plight became apparent, in that Rangers appear to be in trouble even before the BTC comes into play, I am even more convinced this is part of plot to relieve the taxpayer, and others, of a lot of money.
The authorities really need to look at how players can be "bought" and played yet not paid for. Wallace an example and it appears Man C have not been paid in full for the loan of Weiss. Jelevic has been sold on again yet Vienna still await payment of part of teh original deal. It why now appear obvious why Stephen Thomson didnt sell them Goodwillie yet, at the time, Traynor and his cohorts gave ST a pretty rough ride and asked answers why he "didnt do what's best for his club". He did and that much is now clear.
Why are Dunfermline on the list? It was widely reported that they had been paid when clearly they havent been. I have never really bought into this whole press being deliberately and calculatingly biased towards the OF but I am now seriously questioning this given whats happened recently and previousy with the nonsense printed to alienate KT et al. which ultimately benefitted the OF.
Some of these are crazy; we owe over a grand to a wee pub in Bearsden and £400 to a mini market in Milngavie! Also, over £300k owed to Man City- is that still us paying off the Weiss loan? Plus, I'm sure Whyte said we had paid Rapid the Jelavic money...we still owe them over a million!
If the full list of creditors from the adminstrator report (pages 48-50) was to be printed out in font 12 (not the tiny font in the report), it would take up 8-10 pages of A4.
It would make a good game for a rainy Easter to speculate what these debts are for. You mention Milngavie Mini Market and I imagine the first team not having anything to eat at Murray Park, the regular suppliers are refusing to supply, Ally jumps in his car and nips into Milngavie and with promises of possible contracts and 'just invoice the club, we are Rangers' he comes back with cheese and onion crisps, mars bars, sandwiches and diet coke.
I've listened to that now and take it back about Chick - he asked reasonable enough questions throughout. I can't say the same about McGeough though. His story is full of holes and he would have to have been incredibly naive or stupid not th see the dangers of his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Knowing the founder and ex MD of Azure, it is pleasing to see them listed. Just wish she was still running them.
Maybe I'm being thick but I'm not seeing the need for TW1 - unless you're suggesting that has already happened :dunno:. Other than that I think it's not far off what would happen if they go down the Newco route. Their problem would still be convincing UEFA that they weren't a new company. I doubt if they would have any problems with the other two given the noises (or lack of noises) that have been emanating from them recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Regarding CW, I don't think he's in as strong a position as he is claiming. He bought the club for a quid and proceeded to diminish its value by selling future revenues. As it stands, the club is not a going concern and has no net asset value, so it's worth about £1 less than he paid for it. If he doesn't agree to part with his shares the administrators could (and should IMO) conclude that the club cannot continue under his ownership and liquidate it.
How are they allowed to play home games if they owe Strathclyde Police over £50k?
It's crossed my mind that there's some image-laundering going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Falcon
RFC in deep financial doo-doo and SDM needs them out of his empire so they need a patsy to buy it, clean out the debt and sell it on. Along comes just such a person, finances the purchase through the Ticketus deal and is then forced to take the club into administration - and possible liquidation. And then along comes a consortium headed by one of the previous directors (who got the club into the doo-doo in the first place) and rescues the club and gets it debt-free after the administration. Said former director is now a hero to the heaving masses while CW becomes the swivel-eyed bogeyman who is now seen as being responsible for all the club's former ills.
I haven't worked out Ticketus's role in all that yet though.
A handshake solves a lot of problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
I would expect the admins are paying for current policing and that the debt relates to pre-admin times. There's a £204k expense item in the admin accounts for policing and security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875