(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

With the shockingly low rates of rapists being prosecuted. In some states you'll have more chance of being jailed for getting rid of the pregnancy, than committing the rape that caused it

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Well, if the alternative is killing a child then ….. yeah!

This ultimately comes down to that. Do you think killing an unborn child is wrong in almost all cases? In my case, yes I do.

I have a friend who’s sister got pregnant at 14. Her mother had high hopes for her to go to university, get a great job, married and do all that parents wish for their children. The girl chose to have her child and I can assure you she wouldn’t have it any other way. Accidents happen but only once you make the decision to have sex which is risky. I just don’t accept that killing the child because it’s not right for you at that particular time is right and I’m genuinely worried or a society that believes it is.

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Do you ****

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Do you ****

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Sorry, what?

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Sorry, what?

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Do you sherman tank. Where does the limit stop for you. Is it a wasted seed, the morning after, one week, wait until it has brain function.

What about in cases of incest, rape or being underage

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Well, if the alternative is killing a child then ….. yeah!

This ultimately comes down to that. Do you think killing an unborn child is wrong in almost all cases? In my case, yes I do.

I have a friend who’s sister got pregnant at 14. Her mother had high hopes for her to go to university, get a great job, married and do all that parents wish for their children. The girl chose to have her child and I can assure you she wouldn’t have it any other way. Accidents happen but only once you make the decision to have sex which is risky. I just don’t accept that killing the child because it’s not right for you at that particular time is right and I’m genuinely worried for a society that believes it is.

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Now you will have to explain, at what stage, after conception do you think that the zygote becomes an unborn child? 1 day, 1 week, 8 weeks?

What I suppose I'm saying is that, in the early stages, the assembly of cells in the uterus is just that, undifferentiated cells. Not a child.


Edit : Stairway beat me to it. At least I wasn't premature 😉

Trump, asked if he deserves credit for today’s abortion rights ruling, on FOX: “God made the decision." https://foxnews.com/politics/trump-p...ing-roe-v-wade

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Do you sherman tank. Where does the limit stop for you. Is it a wasted seed, the morning after, one week, wait until it has brain function.

What about in cases of incest, rape or being underage

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At the point of conception. I’ve already covered the cases of incest, rape etc.

My problem is with the vast, vast majority of cases where abortion is done as a matter of convenience by irresponsible people who have a disregard for human life. Using abortion as a form of delayed contraception.

Where does the limit stop for you? 6 months? 9 months? Just after primary 7?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Now you will have to explain, at what stage, after conception do you think that the zygote becomes an unborn child? 1 day, 1 week, 8 weeks?

What I suppose I'm saying is that, in the early stages, the assembly of cells in the uterus is just that, undifferentiated cells. Not a child.

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At the point of conception I believe life begins.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

At the point of conception. I’ve already covered the cases of incest, rape etc.

My problem is with the vast, vast majority of cases where abortion is done as a matter of convenience by irresponsible people who have a disregard for human life. Using abortion as a form of delayed contraception.

Where does the limit stop for you? 6 months? 9 months? Just after primary 7?

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It’s heartening to see that you’re in the minority here at least.

You never answered my question about advocating for the use of contraception though? Surely if you believe a child is a child at the point of conception then a condom is just as bad as abortion?

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

At the point of conception I believe life begins.

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So, where do you stand with a natural abortion?

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

At the point of conception. I’ve already covered the cases of incest, rape etc.

My problem is with the vast, vast majority of cases where abortion is done as a matter of convenience by irresponsible people who have a disregard for human life. Using abortion as a form of delayed contraception.

Where does the limit stop for you? 6 months? 9 months? Just after primary 7?

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Conception 😆 it's a couple of cells.

You better not eat meat , harm a fly or masterbate surely then

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Well, some people absolutely do think pro-life is bad . A quick look on Twitter tonight is an eye opener on that one haha! Also, some people seem to very much be pro-abortion - with some even bragging about how many they have had on social media! Im not sure if that’s just due to how polarised some people are on the issue that they are being extreme?

I appreciate what you are saying though about women being forced to reproduce. My view is that the hook up culture we live in takes away the responsibility people (both sexes) have when having sex. Women aren’t forced to give birth, because in almost all cases they aren’t forced to have sex. Once sex is separated from reproduction, as it is in todays world, I can very much agree with the argument you are making.

Women and men have choices if they want to avoid pregnancy. The only party with no choice is the unborn child and I just can’t accept that ending their life due to the poor choices made by the parents is somehow morally right.

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I 100% think being anti abortion (I will never call it pro life as that is just bollocks) is bad and completely immoral. I think the position you're hold is wrong in every possible way.

If men got pregnant instead of women you could get the morning after pill from vending machines on every street corner. It wouldn't even be discussed.

Also, the language used in all anti abortion talk is nonsense. "ending theirs life" - what life does a ball of cells have 4 weeks after conception? How is its life being ended?!

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Originally Posted by Lendo

It’s heartening to see that you’re in the minority here at least.

You never answered my question about advocating for the use of contraception though? Surely if you believe a child is a child at the point of conception then a condom is just as bad as abortion?

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Emm no. As condoms prevent conception. Would you like me to use a big green crayon for you??

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I 100% think being anti abortion (I will never call it pro life as that is just bollocks) is bad and completely immoral. I think the position you're hold is wrong in every possible way.

If men got pregnant instead of women you could get the morning after pill from vending machines on every street corner. It wouldn't even be discussed.

Also, the language used in all anti abortion talk is nonsense. "ending theirs life" - what life does a ball of cells have 4 weeks after conception? How is its life being ended?!

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That’s a good point, Mr McBizz, is the morning after pill also murder?

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I 100% think being anti abortion (I will never call it pro life as that is just bollocks) is bad and completely immoral. I think the position you're hold is wrong in every possible way.

If men got pregnant instead of women you could get the morning after pill from vending machines on every street corner. It wouldn't even be discussed.

Also, the language used in all anti abortion talk is nonsense. "ending theirs life" - what life does a ball of cells have 4 weeks after conception? How is its life being ended?!

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Yeah I’m very aware of what people think of my views. I don’t want to kill baby’s, you do. I’m the bad guy, gotcha [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Yeah I’m very aware of what people think of my views. I don’t want to kill baby’s, you do. I’m the bad guy, gotcha [emoji106]

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Again with your linguistic nonsense. Is a 4 week old ball of cells a baby?

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

At the point of conception. I’ve already covered the cases of incest, rape etc.

My problem is with the vast, vast majority of cases where abortion is done as a matter of convenience by irresponsible people who have a disregard for human life. Using abortion as a form of delayed contraception.

Where does the limit stop for you? 6 months? 9 months? Just after primary 7?

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Not in law, at least in English law.

The unborn has no legal status, until born!!!


https://academic.oup.com/medlaw/article/28/1/93/5510054

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Emm no. As condoms prevent conception. Would you like me to use a big green crayon for you??

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Are you a vegetarian. As obviously killing a cow is more messed up than killing a couple of cells.

Killing babies 😆 imagine the baby 2 days post conception lying in a crib

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Conception [emoji38] it's a couple of cells.

You better not eat meat , harm a fly or masterbate surely then

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What has eating meat or harming flys got to do with the sanctity of human life?

Masterbate isn’t a word but anyway, having a **** doesn’t involve impregnating anyone so again? What’s your point??

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Are you a vegetarian. As obviously killing a cow is more messed up than killing a couple of cells.

Killing babies [emoji38] imagine the baby 2 days post conception lying in a crib

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Do you think murdering a pregnant woman is worse than murdering a woman who isn’t pregnant?

The law does.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Do you think murdering a pregnant woman is worse than murdering a woman who isn’t pregnant?

The law does.

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Need some reference, is the woman murdered immediately after conception, or 10 weeks later?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Need some reference, is the woman murdered immediately after conception, or 10 weeks later?

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Take your pick, I’m not fussy.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Well this is where we differ. Clearly you don’t believe an unborn child is a person and therefore has no rights? I believe they are viable people and to kill then as a matter of convenience is wrong. Somehow that’s become an evil immoral stance to take in todays world but there we go.

Nobody is forcing the woman to do anything. She is responsible for herself and for getting pregnant (other than in cases of rape where I believe abortion should be an option). Once pregnant, I don’t believe anyone has a right to kill the child unless in extreme circumstances.

I believe the rule of law should apply to everyone, especially the most vulnerable- like baby’s.

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Why can’t the abortion be the choice of the individual? Oh wait, it was. Nobody had to get an abortion.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

Take your pick, I’m not fussy.

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I think you will find that the law is a bit more fussy than you on the matter.

A blastocyst has no legal status, neither has a zygote or even an embryo. You need to be born to have any legal status.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

I have a friend who’s sister got pregnant at 14. Her mother had high hopes for her to go to university, get a great job, married and do all that parents wish for their children. The girl chose to have her child and I can assure you she wouldn’t have it any other way. .

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Way you tell it, feel I've missed out a bit not having a mum who was 14 or 15.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Way you tell it, feel I've missed out a bit not having a mum who was 14 or 15.

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😆

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...20the%20embryo.

Ha, ha!!

Pregnancy begins on the 1st day of the menstrual cycle, even though it takes the rare chance of a sperm in week 3 meeting the egg


But according to the dotnet expert.....

13 states so far going to ban. That's what happens when you let religious fundamentals be in charge. Actually Pakistanis have more progressive rules

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Way you tell it, feel I've missed out a bit not having a mum who was 14 or 15.

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Better that than a mum who decided to kill you I suppose.

Let’s be thankful we all had mums who took responsibility for their children eh? We can all agree on that one. Night all [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...20the%20embryo.

Ha, ha!!

Pregnancy begins on the 1st day of the menstrual cycle, even though it takes the rare chance of a sperm in week 3 meeting the egg


But according to the dotnet expert.....

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He'll be pro the morning after pill then