Hamas attack on Israel

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Netanyahu upset that someone has let the end game be known.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gs-notice.html

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I don’t quite think that’s the end game as it would seriously affect the Israeli people as well given the close proximity

Known weirdo Douglas Murray claiming Hamas are worse than the Nazis, as the Nazis "felt bad" about killing Jewish people.

What a crank.

https://twitter.com/waitmanb/status/...96msoUbBg&s=19

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One thing that never seems to be actually demonstrated to the public - is there actual proof that Hamas are operating underneath/inside hospitals?

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

One thing that never seems to be actually demonstrated to the public - is there actual proof that Hamas are operating underneath/inside hospitals?

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I read a story in the Telegraph where the journalist could see hamas fighters firing from a hospital and also another video where supposedly Hamas fighters were firing at civilians leaving the hospital in order to get them back into it and act as shields.

I suppose with all things in life, no one really knows how’s innocent and how’s telling the truth.

It does seem though that the majority of Palestinians what Hamas gone and out of their lives, which would suggest Hamas aren’t all that innocent.!

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


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Good post. My worry would be, how many Hamas are escaping with the civilians, which is perhaps why the IDF are making good progress.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

IDF managing to operate with very few casualties

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Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

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Not counting the 1500 children missing. Plus adults.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Not counting the 1500 children missing. Plus adults.

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I was talking about IDF casualties.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I was talking about IDF casualties.


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From what i've read they've also seen pretty limited Hamas casualties - roughly 60 was the figure i saw a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

From what i've read they've also seen pretty limited Hamas casualties - roughly 60 was the figure i saw a few days ago.

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Not a chance I've unfortunately seen dozens of drone videos of ifvs and barracks going. I'm sure many will have escaped but as was shown with ISIS it doesn't really matter if you destroy all their apparatus and kill or imprison the known leaders

How many hostages are there that have not yet been released?

I can't help thinking about what the poor souls must be going through, and their families/friends as well.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

How many hostages are there that have not yet been released?

I can't help thinking about what the poor souls must be going through, and their families/friends as well.

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Think it’s still about 200 or so. I doubt they are all coming back. Hopefully soon one side decides they need peace.


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I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

Hopefully the events of the last few weeks have a silver lining and the populace on both sides realise that extremism on either side is no answer.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

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Babies are now dying because they cannot get oxygen due to the lack of electricity and the Israeli army have started throwing injured patients out onto the streets from one hospital.

https://www.aljazeera.com/

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

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I wouldn't classify that as turning a blind eye, mate.

You clearly care a great deal about what's happening to these poor people and it's understandably hard to cope with watching this kind of thing on the news every night.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

Hopefully the events of the last few weeks have a silver lining and the populace on both sides realise that extremism on either side is no answer.

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I think we all share that view

Corbyn no really putting his antisemitism critic's to bed on PM last night. Repeatedly refused to say that Hamas are terrorists. Why can't he just saying Isreal have been committing genocide for decades. This retaliation has been a disgusting slaughter. Hamas are also an evil homophobic, antisemitic hateful terrorists group and the region will only move forward when Hamas and Netanyahus right wing government is gone.

Corbyn also unfortunately doesn't realise with the Internet everything is stored. He denied saying our friends from Hamas in a meeting years ago. He did and also said " the idea that an organisation dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and to bring peace political and social justice to the whole region should be labelled a terrorists organisation is a really big big historical mistake "
https://twitter.com/Zokko18/status/1724169002765742117

We all back the wrong horse but don't double down when it's clear they are ****. I'm not sure why it wasn't clear anyway amnesty said they banned homosexuality, killed opponents, backed honour killings of women, one of the lowest level of female employment in the world, removed all domestic violence laws.

Hamas are **** but and it's the Palestinians that suffer. They can't protest against the government and they are constantly bombed, shot, have the land stolen by the isrealis. A horrible existence with no clear path out.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Corbyn no really putting his antisemitism critic's to bed on PM last night. Repeatedly refused to say that Hamas are terrorists. Why can't he just saying Isreal have been committing genocide for decades. This retaliation has been a disgusting slaughter. Hamas are also an evil homophobic, antisemitic hateful terrorists group and the region will only move forward when Hamas and Netanyahus right wing government is gone.

Corbyn also unfortunately doesn't realise with the Internet everything is stored. He denied saying our friends from Hamas in a meeting years ago. He did and also said " the idea that an organisation dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and to bring peace political and social justice to the whole region should be labelled a terrorists organisation is a really big big historical mistake "
https://twitter.com/Zokko18/status/1724169002765742117

We all back the wrong horse but don't double down when it's clear they are ****. I'm not sure why it wasn't clear anyway amnesty said they banned homosexuality, killed opponents, backed honour killings of women, one of the lowest level of female employment in the world, removed all domestic violence laws.

Hamas are **** but and it's the Palestinians that suffer. They can't protest against the government and they are constantly bombed, shot, have the land stolen by the isrealis. A horrible existence with no clear path out.

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Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

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Yep they are ******g disgusting too, Saudi murder journalists have abhorrent human rights and like Israel they have been committing genocide in Yemen for example.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

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exactly - Corbyn is being an absolute eejit here IMO, but even so, that doesn't actually make him any worse than any of the other politicians, in power or in opposition.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Yep they are ******g disgusting too, Saudi murder journalists have abhorrent human rights and like Israel they have been committing genocide in Yemen for example.

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That’s true, which is a sad reflection of the world we live in and how such regimes are bolstered by the support they receive from many western governments.

IDF in the main hospital now. Let’s hope this is quick and they get the Hamas fighters they are looking for.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

IDF in the main hospital now. Let’s hope this is quick and they get the Hamas fighters they are looking for.


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The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

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*******s.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


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Elections with a moderate Palestinian government being returned is key.

One of the reasons it probably won’t happen.

And so it will continue. Isreal like the US led coalition in Iraq had no idea what to do once they “win”.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

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Whether that is true or not, and, as far as I’m aware, no evidence has been produced to back up Israeli claims, hospitals are protected under international agreements. Apparently all hospitals in Gaza are under attack, do they all have Hamas command posts under them? Hamas and Isreal leaders should be facing war crimes tribunal when this whole sorry slaughter is finished

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

Whether that is true or not, and, as far as I’m aware, no evidence has been produced to back up Israeli claims, hospitals are protected under international agreements. Apparently all hospitals in Gaza are under attack, do they all have Hamas command posts under them? Hamas and Isreal leaders should be facing war crimes tribunal when this whole sorry slaughter is finished

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They lose their protection under international law if they are used for military purposes.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They lose their protection under international law if they are used for military purposes.


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of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

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Why do you think they are putting so much effort and risking IDF lives in order to take this hospital rather than just flatten it?


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Originally Posted by MKHIBEE

of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

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It's not just Israel saying it. The US has said they have multiple sources including from the Palestinian side that Hamas are using hospitals as bases and for weapons storage. Unicef said today Hamas needs to stop using hospitals the EU too. In 2014 amnesty said Hamas used the base under the hospital to torture political prisoners.

It'll all come out shortly but they putting their neck out if it is untrue.