The EU Referendum (How did you vote?)

SNP win Renfrewshire with 41.5% of the vote

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Actually it's quite hard to tell given what's behind the front piles

Lib seems pile on closer inspection seems to be doing very well

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_{Labour on 2.8% in Scottish Borders} :faf::faf:

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SNP win the borders. [emoji3]


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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SNP win the borders. [emoji3]


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Looks like the Conservative vote didn't split enough - shame [emoji23]

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Exit poll from Britain Elects:
Brexit 24
LD 15
Labour 14
Tories 10
Green 4
SNP 2
PC 1

Scotland is SNP 2, Brexit 1, LD 1, Green 1, Labour 1.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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It is a pic that could quite easily not be genuine.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

Exit poll from Britain Elects:
Brexit 24
LD 15
Labour 14
Tories 10
Green 4
SNP 2
PC 1

Scotland is SNP 2, Brexit 1, LD 1, Green 1, Labour 1.

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Isn't 24 seats exactly what Ukip got in 2014?

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Originally Posted by Smartie

It is a pic that could quite easily not be genuine.

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It was STV who published it. It’s possible they faked it but I don’t think so.


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Wikipedia map says SNP have won Perth, Borders, South & East Ayrshire & Renfrewshire?

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

I think that’s a good and reasoned analysis and while I won’t always agree with you at least you have made it clear about why you believe what you believe in a fair fashion, always enjoy reading your posts.

I think there is something about the evolution of the EU that maybe needs considered. In my view it started off as a mechanism for stopping France and Germany going to war again, probably why the likes of Belgium and Holland were original signatories, after several hundred years of war on the continent.

It has succeeded in stopping war between its members. But at the same time it has developed over the decades, firstly into a massive trading bloc, and then something akin to a supra-national legislature with massive rights of enforcement in social policy across all its members (which some of us welcome and some do not). We then started to see the flirting with one super-state, a common army etc. That has now been challenged by the rise of populist and nationalist agendas which reject the notion of a common ideal and preach a gospel of resentment and injustice.

I think the notion of European collectivism can and ultimately will rise above that. It is knocking on an open door, given the rise of China, the growth of Russia, the politics in the USA of differentiation and exceptionalism and the impending presence of the likes of India as a major world power.

Perhaps the the most important point is the one you make. Over decades and centuries we have set up such elaborate and complicated structures that any radical change risks massive failure.

In 2008, the banks should have been allowed to fail, if we were being true to the system by which they operate and by which they made massive profits. But that would have meant direct debits failing and ATMs running out of money within hours. There would have been anarchy. The totally flawed system was too big to be allowed to fail, hence trillions of taxpayer money being required to bail out the system.

Leaving the EU, even leaving the union, carry so much inherent risk, not from a political sense, but simply because structures are set up to not be able to deal with leaving. It doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong (subjective, I know), it is simply that sort of radical change carries so many implications, some of which are unforeseen, that the consequences are potentially terrifying.

But, they said that about Y2K I guess :greengrin

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Thanks MA, appreciate the kind words [emoji736]

And you’ve probably made the point about radical change better than I did myself [emoji23]

As for Y2K..ha I remember that well. A real chicken licken story that if ever there was one. Made the IT consultants a few quid though that’s for sure!!

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Isn't 24 seats exactly what Ukip got in 2014?

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Yip. The interpretations on TV are all about a surge for brexit but the remain vote looks stronger? Brexit have just taken all the UKIP vote and added some Tories.


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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Isn't 24 seats exactly what Ukip got in 2014?

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Yes

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Is it at all conceivable that the SNP could finish first in every council area barring Orkney and Shetland?

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Based on that the SNP would get three of those percentages stay the same.


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SNP just won West Lothian with 39.8% of the vote

7/7 so far

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Based on that the SNP would get three of those percentages stay the same.


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We haven't hit my native north east yet, Brexit/Tory votes will be high up there.

Lib Dems just beaten Labour in Islington, Corbyn's own seat. Wonder if he'll listen now? :dunno:

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Lib Dems just beaten Labour in Islington, Corbyn's own seat. Wonder if he'll listen now? :dunno:

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Shh, all part of the grand plan [emoji51][emoji23]

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Yip. The interpretations on TV are all about a surge for brexit but the remain vote looks stronger? Brexit have just taken all the UKIP vote and added some Tories.


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:agree: Not the massive leave win (so far) that the media would like to portray. Lib Dems and Greens having a stonking night so far.

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Remain doing well.


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South Lanarkshire joins those voting en masse for the SNP.

Massive SNP win in Dundee.

SNP have also won Dundee and look to have won Aberdeen.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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stunningly brilliant results, poor labour(northern britain branch) voters all over the place on who to give their votes to :panic:, their new tory bro's, brexit party..or the lib dems

Britain Elects have disavowed their projection.

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