(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

The problem is is he is not going it alone. I think this is one issue where he is being pushed along by the Evangelicals and Jews who are the firmest of friends and have long been so, at least at the administrative level of their respective faiths. When I first moved here I happened to see a program from the 80's (Reagan years) and the Evangelicals were pushing it then and promising to demolish the Dome of The Rock! And I recall Ted Cruz, one of the Republican candidates, in a 2016 town hall meeting just prior to his dropping out of the race being asked what are the five things he would do on first first day in office should he win. 'Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem'. Although him having this thought did not shock me, I was surprised it was on his must do list on his first day in office.

I did not know that anyone actually believed there was a real 'peace process' going on. Israel's peace agreements in my mind have been modelled on the American 'peace policies' with the native American tribes. Perhaps not consciously but in effect. 'Sign the treaty' and before the ink is dry let more settlers move into the native lands and when the tribes fight back get involved to protect the settlers. Then have another peace treaty and so on and so on.

In the US government if you even propose that some defence intelligence contracts, held by Israel, are put out for tender it can end your career. Israel actually controls 100% of some defence intelligence areas here and is even responsible for over 80% of the cell phone billing, which is not carried out by the service providers. Check out AIPIC.

The power of the media and press here is oppressive and corrupt to extreme levels and it is no coincidence that both major parties constantly voice their strong and unwavering support of Israel.

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A lot of good points there, but it's important to also remember that the US Jewish population has overwhelmingly backed the Democrats in all elections (since at least the 60s I think) and are amongst the most liberal and progressive of all minority groups. Jews voted in large numbers for Obama and for Clinton over Trump. And they don't all agree with the the powerful pro-Israel lobby groups either; the Israel lobby has much closer ties with extreme alt right groups and evangelical Christians, oddly.

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Originally Posted by SanFranHibs

The problem is is he is not going it alone. I think this is one issue where he is being pushed along by the Evangelicals and Jews who are the firmest of friends and have long been so, at least at the administrative level of their respective faiths. When I first moved here I happened to see a program from the 80's (Reagan years) and the Evangelicals were pushing it then and promising to demolish the Dome of The Rock! And I recall Ted Cruz, one of the Republican candidates, in a 2016 town hall meeting just prior to his dropping out of the race being asked what are the five things he would do on first first day in office should he win. 'Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem'. Although him having this thought did not shock me, I was surprised it was on his must do list on his first day in office.

I did not know that anyone actually believed there was a real 'peace process' going on. Israel's peace agreements in my mind have been modelled on the American 'peace policies' with the native American tribes. Perhaps not consciously but in effect. 'Sign the treaty' and before the ink is dry let more settlers move into the native lands and when the tribes fight back get involved to protect the settlers. Then have another peace treaty and so on and so on.

In the US government if you even propose that some defence intelligence contracts, held by Israel, are put out for tender it can end your career. Israel actually controls 100% of some defence intelligence areas here and is even responsible for over 80% of the cell phone billing, which is not carried out by the service providers. Check out AIPIC.

The power of the media and press here is oppressive and corrupt to extreme levels and it is no coincidence that both major parties constantly voice their strong and unwavering support of Israel.

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Yep, you are correct in a lot of what you say.

My 'going it alone' comment referred to being the 1st world leader to publicly recognise and acknowledge Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. That's a hugely symbolic statement and act and it's clear leaders from the EU and Middle East are very wary of this line of action.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

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He reminds me of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's books.

"He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention so no one wonders who's really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was perfectly suited)."

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

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When you're as incredibly stupid as Trump is, this kind of statement makes sense.

He a stupid man, surrounded by stupid people, having been voted for by desperate people.

It is frightening that he is in the most powerful position in the world, and every time he opens his mouth in relation to North Korea, Israel/ Palestine or Iran, I am terrified of what he might stir up.

I'm going to become a father for the first time in February, and these are not days that I really want to be wishing away. But for the good of our entire species, the time that that idiot finds himself as far away from the White House (hopefully at most 3 years although I still hold out hope that he gets caught out and finds himself impeached) cannot come quick enough.

Well, he's done it.

Trump being president is the biggest practical joke the world has ever seen. I congratulate the yanks on fooling us all and keeping it going for so long.
Buts that's enough , let's bring out the real one , it's not funny anymore :confused:

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

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And of course now he's done it. Is this guy the stupidest man on earth? His planet sized ego and zero grasp of right and wrong, not to mention basic statesmanship, was jaw dropping but even so up until now at worst all it was doing was making the office of POTUS look ridiculous.

This is probably the first decision he has taken that is likely to get people killed, its a direct slap in the face to the Palestinians. They already see the US as Israel's biggest ally and backer, but perhaps still had some hope that they could also be relied upon to curb the worst excesses of the Israeli right wing, with this decision I would guess even in the eyes of moderate Palestinians the US has come down firmly on the side of Israel and worse the extremist side of Israeli politics. The result will be that the US will never be trusted by them to broker any peace deals and for sure any building opened in Jerusalem with American Embassy written on it will be a magnet for every zealot who can strap on a suicide vest or load a truck with explosives.

For all his idiocy I never took seriously the idea that Trump might be prepared to push the button on North Korea .... if he can be this stupid who knows what he's capable of ...... this isn't funny any more.
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Originally Posted by AK86

Trump being president is the biggest practical joke the world has ever seen. I congratulate the yanks on fooling us all and keeping it going for so long.
Buts that's enough , let's bring out the real one , it's not funny anymore :confused:

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At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

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She was elected?

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

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So you admire trump. And you don't remember the UK elections? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AK86

So you admire trump. And you don't remember the UK elections? :rolleyes:

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I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb

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I thought the exact same thing. Barely been mentioned on msm

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

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If you consider stirring up racial tension, ignoring climate change and alienating allies to be in America's best interests, then I suppose you're right.

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

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He's certainly put the interests of his countries defence contractors first. Make no mistake he has just fired the 1st shots in a ground war in the Middle East.

Problem for him is with his announcement yesterday and his lack of understanding of diplomacy and statesmanship he might just find the likes of Saudi, Kuwait and Oman are less forthcoming with their airspace and territory.

I suppose if you view thousands of civilian deaths as a price worth paying for making America great again then his course of putting his country first is working out well.

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

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Moron, you say that as if it's something to be admired.

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

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Has he drained the swamp yet?

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Has he drained the swamp yet?

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Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

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Ahh good to hear he is getting things done after all...[emoji12]

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

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And he has made America great again... Right? :greengrin:devil::duck:

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Originally Posted by Ryan69

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

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I was under the impression that, aside from tax cuts for the rich and some announcements to appeal to his base, he had achieved practically nothing of any real substance. What things are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb

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Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy

I thought the exact same thing. Barely been mentioned on msm

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What we talking about :confused:

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Originally Posted by xyz23jc

And he has made America great again... Right? :greengrin:devil::duck:

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I thought he was elected on the basis that he was going to do this and concentrate less on foreign affairs.

So far he’s done anything but, interfering in socialist countries, picking fights with North Korea, fanning the flames in the Middle East, even trying to stir up hatred in Europe...the list goes on.

They say the eyes are the gateway to the soul and he looks crazy. Genuinely fearful of what this nutter might do.

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

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Originally Posted by Beefster

I was under the impression that, aside from tax cuts for the rich and some announcements to appeal to his base, he had achieved practically nothing of any real substance. What things are you talking about?

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The things hes done are very significant, but they are all about stopping doing stuff than doing stuff (withdrawing from climate control accords, getting rid of environmental controls on drilling in national parks, getting rid of federal government departments, further liberalisation of gun laws, etc) but all his 'doing stuff' promises like Building The Wall, reversing Obamacare, a massive jobs programme (which is the policy that really got poor blue collar America voting for him) just hasnt happened. Essentially, as well as being mad, he's a lazy ****er.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

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Oh no, i predict a car crash ahead.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

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Historically speaking Scotland belongs to the Picts. Your point is?

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Historically speaking Scotland belongs to the Picts. Your point is?

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The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

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So Scotland's capital should return to Braemar, Forfar, Stirling or any number of previous capitals depending on which epoch in history you choose.

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Originally Posted by HomeTeam

The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

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So youre proposing giving our entire country to Israel to be its capital?