Managing well enough on what is possibly the lowest budget in the SPFL though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
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Managing well enough on what is possibly the lowest budget in the SPFL though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
You think? I’d have thought St Mirren would have had a bigger budget than Livi, RC and St J for starters?Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
If that’s the case then he probably is doing a better job than I’m giving him credit for.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...h-premiership/Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
From 2019-20, second lowest, after Livi.
Does give a bit more context to how effectively Goodwin has managed the club.
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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Surprised at that!
Amazing how some of these clubs compete.
Conference clubs in England will be paying more.
That's why they rely heavily on cup runs, selling off their better players and home games against th OF.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
Benefit from their small squads being close-knit and not chopping an changing, opponents viewing them as less of a threat so able to surprise them and/or grind out a result. Less expectations from fans for amazing football, for them a win is a win and when they need to they can play a young player with no expectations, meaning they've more freedom to play their natural game. We were the same in the when Brown, Thomson, etc. came through.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
Problem is, lose a key player, or that element of being underestimated and they're snookered, just a St Johnstone have been this season.
St Mirren Football Club can confirm that we have been approached by Aberdeen FC to speak to manager Jim Goodwin in relation to their managerial vacancy.
Does a team normally issue a statement to let their fans know they are in talks with a named manager?
Club Statement | Managerial Update
🔴 The Club confirms it has been given permission by St Mirren FC to talk to its manager, Jim Goodwin, regarding the vacant managerial position.
🔴 We will make a formal announcement when the process to secure a new manager is complete. https://t.co/HA6hF9UJqr
3-0 really flattered them. They were awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Must be a done deal if they are putting that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Think Goodwin will be a good appointment for Aberdeen. I’d ideally have liked him to still potentially be an option for us going forward, but I’d rather they appointed him than JR.
Every manager in the world goes on good runs and bad runs, it’s just how it works. They key is having many more good than bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Management is unbelievably tough these days, as the press and social media constantly remind the world of your latest failure, and that’s what defines you - even if you’ve a really good track record.
McInnes at Aberdeen was unbelievably consistent, Dons fans would have given up limbs to have the nine years that they had before he was appointed.
On top of that, he turned down approaches from the likes of Rangers and Sunderland. Yet one bad run and he was out the door - even though they were nine points clear in 4th at the time.
Fans often bemoan a lack of loyalty in football, but they simultaneously create a climate that ensures that any manager performing well will immediately jump at any better offer that comes along.
Aberdeen will find that out, and I suspect we will too.
I'm delighted they've gone for Goodwin insted of Ross. I think Goodwin will do well for them and i rate him but i think Jack would have done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Agree with that. Goodwin decent though - will do wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Aberdeen are daft going for Goodwin instead. It smacks flavor of the month and little else.
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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Jack might prove a thorn in our side at St Mirren too!
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
That would seem like a logical next step for Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Goodwin has left a good side. Good solid foundations for the next guy. Ross might not want to go back the way but would be an excellent job to get back into it. An outside bet for a European place. He'd be daft not to take it if it was on offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
BEFORE he got the Aberdeen gig😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Depends how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
They sacked a highly successful manager in McInnes with a much better track record than Jack Ross because their fans thought his football was crap and they’d got bored of it.
To then go and get a manager who was heavily criticised for his style of play at his last club but without such a good track record wouldn’t have went down very well with their fans I wouldn’t think. Rightly or wrongly, they’d just look at him as a lesser McInnes.
Being available, and interested in the job, but them going for Goodwin is another blow for Ross IMO. I thought he was a cert for it, must be a cert for St Mirren now though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Don’t think he’ll get a bigger job than the ones he’s had in Scotland or England.
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Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
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How has McIness got a much better track record? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
How does he not?Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Ross finished 7th, 3rd then left us in 7th. He never won anything and has a lower PPG average by a decent bit and a lower win percentage by a decent bit compared to McInnes. His teams also had a better goal difference over his whole tenure than JR did at Hibs.. That’s despite the fact McInnes managed nearly 4 times the amount of games JR did.
The job McInnes done at Aberdeen and the job Ross done at Hibs aren’t even close. McInnes wins that hands down. His worst finish was 7th in a season where he was in the job a month. Other than that he never finished below 4th. He was even sacked in 4th if I remember correctly.
McInnes’ record beats JR in pretty much every measure I can think of and a lot of them fairly comfortably.
Much better league finishes over a decent number of yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
McIness was in the job a lot longer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Ross got Alloa then St Mirren promoted, took over us bottom of the table and eventually got us third and numerous cup semi finals and final.
The last season they where both managers of the sides JR had us finish 3rd, McIness was sacked.
I would much rather employ Ross than DM. It's why DM is now at Kilmarnock and Ross is turning jobs down in the league above.
He was in the league a lot longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Doing it over 7 seasons or whatever it was for DM just makes it even more impressive. Ross didn’t manage to maintain his good form for more than 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
I’m not sure Aberdeen fans would be harking back to jobs he done in the lower leagues 5 years ago or the fact he got to cup semis/finals and lost them. They’d be looking at the most recent job he done at Hibs, a similar sized job to theirs, the fact that a lot of fans hated his style of football and comparing it to McInnes at them. He doesn’t come out favourably in that regard.
The managerial merry-go-round chunters on. What unimaginative appointments by the famous Aberdeen FC and by Dundee too.
At least we went outside the envelope a bit.
He took Alloa from L1 to top of the Championship, took over St Mirren in the Championship relegation spot and then won the league with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Ross had Hibs easily above Aberdeen, even at the time he got sacked ahead of them and in another final. They also sacked DM far too soon.
Goodwin has been no bad for a couple of months, is he an upgrade on DM or a better choice than Jack? I don't think so.
He did. That was a while ago though and he’s since been sacked from his last two jobs at clubs with much higher expectations than those two. Jobs that are a lot more similar to the Aberdeen job. Both times the fans of those teams thought his football was crap as well which is really what McInnes got sacked for.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
I don’t think Goodwin is an upgrade on either of them either, I don’t think he’s anything special for them appointment wise. I don’t think JR would have been either though. If I was an Aberdeen fan I’d be not be massively excited whether it had been Goodwin or JR.
Jim goodwin will be a top class manager I personally think he will leave Aberdeen for a big job down south I think he will do really well there.
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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
If you where an Aberdeen fan would you be happier with Goodwin, McIness, Ross or Maloney?
Maloney every day of the week for the exact same reasons I’m glad we have him at Hibs than any of the other 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
They weren’t happy with McIness and didn’t seem particularly taken by the prospect of Ross or Goodwin. On the back of Glass, the probably wouldn’t be happy with a Maloney type appointment either.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Sheep are generally never happy.
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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Fair enough. No idea how you get that conclusion but your opinion mate.
i think Jim Goodwin will do a decent job for them
I blame Prof. Wilmut, since he got involved they are all miserable clones of each other. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Not surprised, Eberdeen is full of strange guys walking around with wellies and velcro gloves....Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I wouldn’t want McInnes because his footballs dreadful although his record is generally very good - he was pretty much a guarantee for a top 4 finish. I wouldn’t want Ross because his footballs dreadful and his record is a good bit poorer than McInnes and he doesn’t come with nearly as much of a guarantee of top 4 and I’d rather have Maloney over Goodwin because I think he has the potential to be a really special manager with the introduction he’s had to his career after retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Anyway, I’m happy enough with them getting Goodwin. If the rumours are to be believed that they wanted the Bodo/Glimt manager then we could have potentially had cause for concern.
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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Fair play mate and let's hope you're right. :aok:
Mcinnes also won a league cup with Aberdeen. Although he should also have won more IMO albeit he was up against Rogers Celtc that won something like 10 trophies in a row for part of his time at Aberdeen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
I think both are good managers but safe pairs of hands. Generally do quite well, but nothing particular unique and the success they do have will often feel like a chore. Mcinnes has 5 years on Ross but it’s clear, to me anyway, Mcinnes has the better CV.
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Originally Posted by The Modfather
Lennon wipes the floor with any manager in the country CV wise. Doesn't mean he's the best mind you.
I thought the debate was a direct comparison between Mcinnes & Ross and not who the best manager in the country was.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Ross had us 7th 3rd and 7th.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Most of the Dee fans that I know are less than happy with McGhee getting the job. Comparing it to when McLeish got a second bite at the Scotland job from nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
St Mirren wanting to speak to Scott Brown about the managers job. Aberdeen apparently willing to let him go.
Yeah it was really Boeing though...Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Scott Brown to St Mirren? They’d go for him, before Jack Ross? Nah. I heard they had approached Jack Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
No danger Brown will be offered a job in management ahead of Thommo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Scott Burns saying they are interested in speaking to Brown about the job. They might want to speak to Ross too but maybe he’s not keen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I would take that if I was him. Aberdeen on a downward spiral, no one wants to be in that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Hilarious if he gets a full time managers gig before Thomson 😆
Thomson is doing it the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Oh dear :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
Special award for this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
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He starts every game for them. Surprised by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
And 5th when he left, now we are 7th 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
...and velcro kneepadsQuote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Is Callum Davidson not getting a shout for any of these jobs? Timing is everything eh?
Think its obvious now how lucky he was in the cup runs, and how dreadful he is over a 38 game season. Hes won 15 league games, out of 64.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
You could get lucky winning a cup, you don't win 2 cups in the same season by being lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Do you not? He certainly did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Hibs missing loads of chances in the league cup semi, goalie scoring last minute vs Rangers, St Mirren missing loads of chances Scottish cup semi, 2 penalty shootout wins on the way etc.
St Johnstone were crap. We have too high an opinion of them because we were their victims. The stars truely alligned for them in the cups. The chances the opposition missed against them on the way to winning those cups were unreal, like the net was protected by magic. He was never any kind of tactical genius.
Doesn’t almost every cup win, including our two most recent ones, have their fair share of riding luck/penalty shootouts etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I think Davidson and his team deserve a great deal of credit for what was an outstanding achievement.
So because their goalie scored in the last minute against Rangers it means it's lucky? You do realise that they had to play the entire game up until that point. And if that was Hibs, we'd undoubtedly be saying it was an iconic moment on our way to winning the cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Ah yes that famous lucky 3-0 win 🥴Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
He only had from November to March in his first season and I think we were 6th before getting moved down due to the early finish to the league. Also I think we were 5th when he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Coupled with his cup record his stats overall were good.
Why is there a right way? It doesn’t matter if the manager gets results.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
And Thomson’s a prick.
Plane and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
Davidson may or may not be a good manager, but it’s churlish to attribute St Johnstone doing a cup double to luck. All cup runs have luck along the way but it’s possible to credit the unique achievement as well as question the league record. Although I imagine winning both cups will have had a sizeable impact on league performance last season, as we saw with Stubbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
We did miss an absolute hatfull of chances early on, hitting the woodwork twice. Was that Davidsons tactics? We lost, fair and square, but it doesn't make St Johnstone world beaters. As I've said, the net was protected by magic in thier cup runs. The chances St Mirren missed were insane in the SC semi, then middleton scored a random free kick from 25 yards that the St Mirren goalie didn't even try for. More tactical genius there...not.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Yes, and they got absolutely battered for 120 minutes by a Rangers team that was beating everyone. Of course its an iconic moment. Lucky and iconic are not mutally exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Of course they do. Thats my point, he got very lucky. Over a season, that luck evens itself out and hes just a rubbish manager. 15 wins in 64 is absolutely dreadful. Will be sacked if Dundee get a few results (which is very unlikely, McGee is even worse)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Zander Clarke did not score against the Rangers!Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Right enough, it was going wide and went in off the defender right? or the striker? Nothing fortunate at all :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
So let me get this right, St Johnstone were lucky when pumping us 3-0 and also lucky when knocking out Rangers (the best Rangers team for atleast 10 years) at Ibrox on their way to doing something unheard of outside the old firm and winning both cups in the same season.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Nothing to do with them being an excellent cup team. All luck.
No, not all luck. Massive amounts of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
They play the same teams in the cup as they do in the league. Why are they absolutely gash in the league? Why are they already out of this years Scottish cup to a part time side?
Goodwin confirmed this morning officially as aberdeen manager
UnluckyQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Literally laughed out loud at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Clearly an excellent cup team as you say nothing lucky about a 3 0 hammering and a very comfortable cup final where we never laid a glove on them and missed a penalty. Only team to beat Rangers at Ibrox also. Got to remember they have lost their two best players and with their most creative out injured for the season however there is no getting away from it they have been poor this season. Davidson had them well organised last season and also very motivated which was a key difference in the final imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Perhaps, yeah. Although luck isn't as impactful over 64 games as it is over 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Goodwin is a good appointment for them imo, think they’ll now be in for a really good shot of 4th this season as hell get them organised and showing a bit of passion.
Makes you wonder where we’ll sign players from now 😅 two I thought we’d be interested in Conor McCarthy and Conor Ronan will likely end up at Aberdeen now.
And will Aberdeen still be interested in every player we look at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
They were fortunate in the semi - we had chances and didn’t take them. They took everyone of theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Of course St Johnstone carried a bit of luck along the way (as we did with our Scottish Cup win) but they were an excellent cup side who played to their strengths.
The reason they’re struggling this season is because they’ve toiled to adequately and immediately replace McCann and Kerr on their budget, which would be a tall order for any manager.
How many years are we down the line of trying to replace the McGinn midfield? Does the fact that this far we’ve struggled mean that all our managers have been crap?
They did ride their luck first half but were 3 nil up after an hour and coasted it so difficult to say they weren't hugely comfortable winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
We were 8th im sure when he took over. We finished that season 7th despite him taking over in November. It was certainly an improvement from Hecky but nothing out of this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
And we were 7th this season when he was binned. Ross had 1 good season, 1 average one and 1 poor one imo.
We were 5th when Ross left. We have been 5th since December, only dropped to 7th after our visit to Ibrox on the 10th of February.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Are you sure that’s not 5th when Maloney took over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I’m fairly certain we were 7th when Ross got sacked but happy to stand corrected.
Apologies, yes we were 7th after defeat at livingston, sacked after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Steven Naismith linked with the St Mirren post
I think Thommo will get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Steven Naismith 'granted permission' by Hearts to speak with St Mirren over manager's role
https://t.co/Vtr5jPcfUh https://t.co/lS1un02JEC
Or maybe diving coach :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
If he gets the gig, they are at home to St Mirren on SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Jack ross rejected the job offer at st mirren apparently
Only after he knew he wasn't on the short list😉 Too far a commute anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldot1981
He's also missed out on another former team as Brian Rice is appointed Alloa manager.
4 vacancies in one week and he's not been officially quoted for one of them. Tells you some thing. He's comfy on his gardening pay and a salary cut isn't on his radar.
Or maybe those projects don't interest him?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
3 Premiership roles? Not interested?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
There are 12 teams in the SPFL Premiership.
He wouldn't get near the uglies jobs, he got booted from one of the next group containing the three next best jobs, wasn't quoted for another one, and is apparently personna non grata at the pink bus shelter, even with Neilson on the ropes. The next group of wannabes he's not being quoted on the two that were/are uo for grabs.
He's unlikely ever to get a top league gig in Scotland again, especially if he's briefing out no -interest in the less glamorous jobs.
He didn't need to be on any shortlist. He was offered the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby