Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

I've been following the supreme court appeal(s) here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-49738480

The Government's guy has been going on all morning about how the courts shouldn't interfere in a political decision, saying that no law has been broken.

However, my understanding is that the Scottish judges ruled that Bojo lied to ERII (or is it I?) regarding the reason for the prorogation.

Surely that's all that matters?

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Aye. As I understand it ...

In the Scottish Courts it was argued that the information given to QEII was misleading therefore the suspension of the Westminster parliament, as passed by Liz, was flawed. The courts can make a judgement on this, it's not political. The Boris fags lied to HRH while on their errand up norf.

In England they went straight for the jugular saying suspension was illegal. That's political, it's messing with parliamentary business.

I predict a verdict saying both lower courts were correct in their decisions but due to the case put forward in Scotland the suspension is illegal.

Boris will reconvene parliament and suspend it immediately for reasons as yet not known. But it will be based on lies.

I'm not as think as you drunk I am! https://t.co/0ByuCV2tdA

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I'm not as think as you drunk I am! https://t.co/0ByuCV2tdA

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He is wasted, the wee rat.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

He is wasted, the wee rat.

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It certainly looks like it. Weird!!

If he was indeed reekin' then why is he still in a job?

If I turned up at the office in that state I'd be back outside without a job in 5 minutes..

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I'm not as think as you drunk I am! https://t.co/0ByuCV2tdA

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whilst humming the sash to himself


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38202620.html

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

whilst humming the sash to himself


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38202620.html

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And accusing the SNP of sectarianism in the house of commons.

I'm with Frankie Boyle when he said that Gove looks like a haunted ventriloquists dummy that has been carved from the wood of the yew tree that operation yew tree was named after.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

whilst humming the sash to himself


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38202620.html

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A pal of murdo fraser?

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Originally Posted by degenerated

And accusing the SNP of sectarianism in the house of commons.

I'm with Frankie Boyle when he said that Gove looks like a haunted ventriloquists dummy that has been carved from the wood of the yew tree that operation yew tree was named after.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

And accusing the SNP of sectarianism in the house of commons.

I'm with Frankie Boyle when he said that Gove looks like a haunted ventriloquists dummy that has been carved from the wood of the yew tree that operation yew tree was named after.

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:hilarious he is

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

A pal of murdo fraser?

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Gove is a slimey horrible little slug as well....that's a good possibility

Rumour has it that the Tory slogan for the upcoming election will be ‘No Surrender’. They don’t stand in NI and have lost Scotland already so apparently they reckon it would be a vote winner in northern marginals.

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Rumour has it that the Tory slogan for the upcoming election will be ‘No Surrender’. They don’t stand in NI and have lost Scotland already so apparently they reckon it would be a vote winner in northern marginals.

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:singing: … no surrender, and if you do I'll die in a ditch … :singing:

****.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

If he was indeed reekin' then why is he still in a job?

If I turned up at the office in that state I'd be back outside without a job in 5 minutes..

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Tbf, all he needs to get rat-arsed is actually provided at his workplace at subsidised prices.

Nice work if you can get it

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Rumour has it that the Tory slogan for the upcoming election will be ‘No Surrender’. They don’t stand in NI and have lost Scotland already so apparently they reckon it would be a vote winner in northern marginals.

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Is it just me or does the Tory Party tree symbol look like a map of the south east of England?

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Rumour has it that the Tory slogan for the upcoming election will be ‘No Surrender’. They don’t stand in NI and have lost Scotland already so apparently they reckon it would be a vote winner in northern marginals.

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Murdo Fraser and Adam Tomkins must be ripping the tap aff it if that is true.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

Murdo Fraser and Adam Tomkins must be ripping the tap aff it if that is true.

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this cant

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Having their conference in Manchester, in the Labour heartland and a remain voting city. They are just trolling now :greengrin

More allegations coming out about inappropriate sexual contact by our PM albeit 20 years ago. Gets more like Trump with every passing day

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this cant

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I had no idea he was not from the West (or even Scotland) before reading Wings comment and looking it up, makes his "staunchness" for all things Rangers even worse.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

whilst humming the sash to himself


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38202620.html

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Great, I can hate the wee rat even more now.

Can't wait to see his greetin face on independence morning.

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More allegations coming out about inappropriate sexual contact by our PM albeit 20 years ago. Gets more like Trump with every passing day

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Cummings is trying make him s British version of trump. His sister Rachel says he's totally acting out of character. He's always been a dimwit but is now totally under the influence of Cummings. I'm sure there is loads more to come out but these are weird times so not sure any such scandals will stick. Folk are so possessed by brexit they will just see it as a conspiracy. Even the law is just an unnecessary inconvenience to them. Hard to see how the country recovers from this nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Having their conference in Manchester, in the Labour heartland and a remain voting city. They are just trolling now :greengrin

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I thought it was a bad idea



https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-con...40%2C720&ssl=1

It will be interesting to learn whether other women come forward, accusing Johnson of inappropriate sexual conduct. Any man brazen enough to grope a woman at the dinner table won't be confined to a one off incident.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

It will be interesting to learn whether other women come forward, accusing Johnson of inappropriate sexual conduct. Any man brazen enough to grope a woman at the dinner table won't be confined to a one off incident.

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The Genius's wife has already come forward to confirm that she wasn't groped, so it probably was just a one-off.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

I had no idea he was not from the West (or even Scotland) before reading Wings comment and looking it up, makes his "staunchness" for all things Rangers even worse.

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He used to be a Republican nationalist, he's even written a book on it.
Seem to remember him and colin fox of SSP protesting at the opening of holyrood that it was a sell out.

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The Scottish Tories just had a broadcast on BBC, the whole of Britain is going tits up with brexit and the first thing they talk about is saying no to independence

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

The Scottish Tories just had a broadcast on BBC, the whole of Britain is going tits up with brexit and the first thing they talk about is saying no to independence

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Posted about it on the Scottish independence thread. Thought about posting on this thread but for once they weren't lying. All they are interested in is keeping us shackled to England and the union.

It's obvious now why Ruth Davidson bolted. All this guff about family. She knew what was coming after her meeting with Johnson at downing Street and she realised Cummings was running the show. The fact her replacement has binned everything she stood for speaks volumes. Even someone as many would see as very right wing couldn't stomach Cummings with his lapdog Johnson. Remember she said if a deal came before parliament everybody should vote for it. She knew Johnson and his city pals only want a no deal brexit and she was savvy enough to get out before they get wiped out at the general election.

The Prime Minister is a pathological liar
(Location: Oxford Rd, Manchester) #CPC19 https://t.co/BCTMf11VTD

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

The Prime Minister is a pathological liar
(Location: Oxford Rd, Manchester) #CPC19 https://t.co/BCTMf11VTD

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If only Led By Donkeys were Her Maj's Official Opposition.

Priti Patel’s conference speech, the content was scary but the look on her face as she said it was worse.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

Priti Patel’s conference speech, the content was scary but the look on her face as she said it was worse.

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Cocaine perhaps?

i reckon carlaw should get the scottish tories gig, what a gift he is

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i reckon carlaw should get the scottish tories gig, what a gift he is

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Carlaw was banging on about backing no deal Brexit if it came to that with the Scottish Secretary following up with "the Scottish Conservatives have been brought into line" with the big boys at Westminster.

Unfortunately I read today the Scottish Tories are trying to oust him for someone else, what a pity..

A moderate forced out as the Tory party moves to extreme British nationalism.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

Carlaw was banging on about backing no deal Brexit if it came to that with the Scottish Secretary following up with "the Scottish Conservatives have been brought into line" with the big boys at Westminster.

Unfortunately I read today the Scottish Tories are trying to oust him for someone else, what a pity..

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tory msp's supposedly meeting on monday night somewhere in north queensferry to discuss selecting a new leader, they're not too pleased with the interim one :( the good news is murdo fraser and michelle ballantyne both want the job :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

A moderate forced out as the Tory party moves to extreme British nationalism.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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Now running to be Mayor of London. Not sure if he will win but likely guarantees the Tory he is running against has no chance.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

A moderate forced out as the Tory party moves to extreme British nationalism.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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Indeed. Shows just what a carcrash the Tories have become if even a moderate like Stewart feels he has to leave the party. He isn't even a remainer. Looks like the Tories are becoming unpalatable to many diehards. If Johnson doesn't get a majority,and that looks unlikely then civil war will break out on the right. Btw it shows how right wing our media is that he's just another one whose left. If so many deserted the Labour party it would the headlines for days.

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Indeed. Shows just what a carcrash the Tories have become if even a moderate like Stewart feels he has to leave the party. He isn't even a remainer. Looks like the Tories are becoming unpalatable to many diehards. If Johnson doesn't get a majority,and that looks unlikely then civil war will break out on the right. Btw it shows how right wing our media is that he's just another one whose left. If so many deserted the Labour party it would the headlines for days.

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He's resigning because he's standing for Mayor of London against an offishul Tory candidate. Strikes me as a fairly strange move. London is almost as super-pro-remain as Edinburgh and Stewart doesn't oppose Brexit, just no-deal. Sadiq Khan is no Corbynite either, so the safe middle ground pitch isn't really going to wash either. I think he's got a little caught up in his own hubris.

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Indeed. Shows just what a carcrash the Tories have become if even a moderate like Stewart feels he has to leave the party. He isn't even a remainer. Looks like the Tories are becoming unpalatable to many diehards. If Johnson doesn't get a majority,and that looks unlikely then civil war will break out on the right. Btw it shows how right wing our media is that he's just another one whose left. If so many deserted the Labour party it would the headlines for days.

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The fact our press refer to Johnson as Boris says it all. They portray him as a lovable rogue, can't remember any headlines mentioning Tony, David or Theresa.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The fact our press refer to Johnson as Boris says it all. They portray him as a lovable rogue, can't remember any headlines mentioning Tony, David or Theresa.

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Rather sweeping statement that and it also depends what you mean by ‘our’ and ‘they’...I’ve read plenty of press that doesn’t just call him Boris and isn’t portraying him as lovable.

But anyway just for laughs here’s a wee pic or two to prove my point:

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Of course that did comes from a paper that also also produced this beauty so clearly anything is possible [emoji23]

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Rather sweeping statement that and it also depends what you mean by ‘our’ and ‘they’...I’ve read plenty of press that doesn’t just call him Boris and isn’t portraying him as lovable.

But anyway just for laughs here’s a wee pic or two to prove my point:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dcd48a7a23.jpg


Of course that did comes from a paper that also also produced this beauty so clearly anything is possible [emoji23]

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If the sun was a newspaper you'd have proved your point ;-)

Didn't really know where to put this but with Michael Gove being outed as "staunch" along with his tag team members Murdo and Tomkins I felt it was the ideal thread..

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/st...99675834339328

Prior warning, you may self combust with cringe...:greengrin

In all serious though, how f'd up are parts of the West of Scotland? I'm glad Edinburgh for the most part is shielded from this crap, the children in attendance will grow up thinking this sort of ***** is normal.

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Originally Posted by Jack

If the sun was a newspaper you'd have proved your point ;-)

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An adult human being gets paid to sit behind a desk and think up this ****ing drivel.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

Didn't really know where to put this but with Michael Gove being outed as "staunch" along with his tag team members Murdo and Tomkins I felt it was the ideal thread..

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/st...99675834339328

Prior warning, you may self combust with cringe...:greengrin

In all serious though, how f'd up are parts of the West of Scotland? I'm glad Edinburgh for the most part is shielded from this crap, the children in attendance will grow up thinking this sort of ***** is normal.

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Way beyond cringe. re-post in the MB Generic Sevco thread for more exposure

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

Didn't really know where to put this but with Michael Gove being outed as "staunch" along with his tag team members Murdo and Tomkins I felt it was the ideal thread..

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/st...99675834339328

Prior warning, you may self combust with cringe...:greengrin

In all serious though, how f'd up are parts of the West of Scotland? I'm glad Edinburgh for the most part is shielded from this crap, the children in attendance will grow up thinking this sort of ***** is normal.

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The user name of the guy who posted it as well...:bitchy:

Arcuri told her friends that she was ****ging Johnson. Then told a reporter in a car park that she hadn't been ****ging him. Now today uses a military metaphor to explain why she's refusing to answer whether she ****ged him or not.

Not too hard to see why they got on so well. :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The fact our press refer to Johnson as Boris says it all. They portray him as a lovable rogue, can't remember any headlines mentioning Tony, David or Theresa.

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All part of the Bannon process. It's going to be so hard to predict the election. The Tories have gone extreme. Time will tell if this populist rhetoric will work. I have my doubts it will.

I see Labour lost an amendment last night to protect the NHS from further privitization. Voted down by every tory MP and abstainations from 8 blairites and every Lib Dem MP. :rolleyes:

Coverage in the media as good as non existent. :rolleyes:

Ruth Davidson has a new job...or another job:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50161433

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Ruth Davidson has a new job...or another job:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50161433

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I’m confused. I thought she resigned the leadership of the Tories in Scotland to spend more time with her family!

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I’m confused. I thought she resigned the leadership of the Tories in Scotland to spend more time with her family!

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50k for 3 weeks work isn't really work though.

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Ruth Davidson has a new job...or another job:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50161433

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Get on, get on, get on, get on, get on my gravy train :music:

Second new job she has taken since she resigned. This one is out of order though because she is still a paid MSP.
Helps neutralise her as head of BT2 if she can be painted as a stooge for big business.

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Second new job she has taken since she resigned. This one is out of order though because she is still a paid MSP.
Helps neutralise her as head of BT2 if she can be painted as a stooge for big business.

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Is it anymore unacceptable than Douglas Ross? He miraculously falls under the radar. Even although he can't keep his political interests out of his other job.

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Is it anymore unacceptable than Douglas Ross? He miraculously falls under the radar. Even although he can't keep his political interests out of his other job.

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He’s way less important politically.


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He’s way less important politically.


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All tory politicians in Scotland are unimportant imo. It's his importance in his other job that bothers me.

Could you imagine the sheer disgust and outrage whipped up by the media had an SNP MSP taken up that job? We'd be hearing about it for weeks on end.

But because it's media darling Davidson, she gets a free pass.

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I see Labour lost an amendment last night to protect the NHS from further privitization. Voted down by every tory MP and abstainations from 8 blairites and every Lib Dem MP. :rolleyes:

Coverage in the media as good as non existent. :rolleyes:

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Why is anybody surprised. The libdems have no decency and will do anything to get power as clegg showed when lying about tuition fees.

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Why is anybody surprised. The libdems have no decency and will do anything to get power as clegg showed when lying about tuition fees.

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You'll find that the Jo Swinson advocates on here are completely ignoring it.

https://twitter.com/RobbieDinwoodie/...42233723465734

"So, The £50k lobbying Lobby cash Ruth Davidson receives will go to a new company she has just set up for reasons of “tax efficiency” or, as some of us might put it, tax dodging."



Working out well for Ruth, steps down from the leadership role when she had to finally face up to Boris, gets a cushy 50k that she'll pay minimal tax on, and hides at the back ready to jump back into politics when Better Together 2 needs a leader.


Do we still have posters here ripping the tap aff it about how fantastic she is?

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

https://twitter.com/RobbieDinwoodie/...42233723465734

"So, The £50k lobbying Lobby cash Ruth Davidson receives will go to a new company she has just set up for reasons of “tax efficiency” or, as some of us might put it, tax dodging."



Working out well for Ruth, steps down from the leadership role when she had to finally face up to Boris, gets a cushy 50k that she'll pay minimal tax on, and hides at the back ready to jump back into politics when Better Together 2 needs a leader.


Do we still have posters here ripping the tap aff it about how fantastic she is?

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for 'working' 24 days/year, kin sickening, i just don't get the clamour to listen to her, the bag o wind, i still suffer with visions of her bounding onto the stage to snog the dancing queen May, then watching her put on her angry face to appease the tory audience.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The fact our press refer to Johnson as Boris says it all. They portray him as a lovable rogue, can't remember any headlines mentioning Tony, David or Theresa.

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Said this for ages and always refer to him as Johnston (or de Pfeffel).

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For those complaining about Ruth the Mooths extra money.

It's been happening forever with our elected representatives so I'm not sure what the fuss is about. And RtMs money is chicken feed in comparison with others!

I don't like her or her politics (if she actually has any).

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For those complaining about Ruth the Mooths extra money.

It's been happening forever with our elected representatives so I'm not sure what the fuss is about. And RtMs money is chicken feed in comparison with others!

I don't like her or her politics (if she actually has any).

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She could have made sexist jokes at a one woman fringe show and got her own show on a foreign backed TV station I guess. Or just done what the rest of them do, sign up for the speaking circuit.

My problem with Ruth is she shat out of defending Boris and co and used her family as the excuse to do so but all of a sudden she has time for a new venture, yet she's never actually seen in Edinburgh Central.


But hey, she "stuck it to wee jimmy krankie" which is enough for the unionists amongst us...

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Originally Posted by Jack

For those complaining about Ruth the Mooths extra money.

It's been happening forever with our elected representatives so I'm not sure what the fuss is about. And RtMs money is chicken feed in comparison with others!

I don't like her or her politics (if she actually has any).

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It's not so much the money. It's the conflict of interests between the 2 jobs. Anybody is entitled to make whatever amount of money they like in any given period of time. But when 1 job directly conflicts with the interests of the other (particularly in a profession of public representation), then it becomes problematic.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...ewwDHuDqEa_eyI

A Scottish Tory MSP tipped as a leadership contender has been blasted for sharing a “callous” and “heartless” message about the poor and the unemployed.
Michelle Ballantyne, a right winger who backs Boris Johnson, circulated comments questioning why the wealthy should pay for people at the bottom of society.

there's just too many great contenders for the leadership of the scottish tories :agree: who votes for they people, seriously

Rory Stewart and the gangsta's.
An epitome of a Tory.

Wake the **** up Scotland.

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My problem with Ruth is she shat out of defending Boris and co and used her family as the excuse to do so but all of a sudden she has time for a new venture, yet she's never actually seen in Edinburgh Central.


But hey, she "stuck it to wee jimmy krankie" which is enough for the unionists amongst us...

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You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

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What are you trying to say here?

That they are both potential politician killers?

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

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When I contacted her office for help with my then issues I phoned the office and I had a conversation with the M.P.s assistant who took the details and said it would be looked at by Mrs Jardine. I was emailed asking if I'd like to come into the office to discuss the matter with Mrs Jardine herself and duly made an appointment to do so. I spoke at length with Mrs Jardine in her office and within days had an email saying Mrs Jardine had taken the matter up and had made progress for me of which I was very satisfied with the end result. I've still got the emails. Mrs Jardine also aided me with other matters with success and I know speaking to my neighbours that she has also helped them with issues.

Yet Fife-Hibee claims the office is always closed or that I was possibly making it up and he was going to take photos of the offices.

Its a strange one.

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What are you trying to say here?

That they are both potential politician killers?

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I just enjoy playing my part in killing their careers.

Don't get too close to MA with a flag though. He may consider you a nazi and feel instantly threatened. (Union Jacks aside)

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You and Fife-Hibee are quite similar.

He claims never to have seen Christine Jardine at her office, you claim never to see Ruth Davidson in her constituency.

Do you spend a lot of time looking out for her? Is Edinburgh Central your constituency? Whether it is or it isn’t, both your claims are a wee bit scary in a post-Jo Cox world.

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Between May 2016 and May 2018 Ruth held 1 constituency surgery.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/ruth-davidson-lie-watch/

It also appears many constituents had a hard time getting any response while Ruth was tripping the light fantastic on Have I Got News For You and the likes.

Meanwhile, he defended the decision to mint hundreds of thousands of commemorative 50p coins with the 31 October date, after the process was paused.

“I don’t think it looks foolish,” he said. “I think it was a very sincere aim of the British government to leave on 31 October, which after all was the date the EU said. It wasn’t our date, it was theirs.

EU's fault that they won't be issued then. Not sure that Kwarteng is the full shilling.

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Meanwhile, he defended the decision to mint hundreds of thousands of commemorative 50p coins with the 31 October date, after the process was paused.

“I don’t think it looks foolish,” he said. “I think it was a very sincere aim of the British government to leave on 31 October, which after all was the date the EU said. It wasn’t our date, it was theirs.

EU's fault that they won't be issued then. Not sure that Kwarteng is the full shilling.

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None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

None of them are the full shilling, the vast majority of them have been educated well beyond their intelligence.

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:top marks

I've not had any experience of having to contact my MP, but I know that everyone I know who has had reason to and who I have spoken to about it has found their MP open, willing and available to help where possible. This crosses all political divides. Some do pointless photoshoots in their constituency more than others I reckon they are all there when you need them.

It is a fairly easy and lazy accusation to make, that they are not there.

My Dad used to speak very highly of the late Robin Cook who helped him out a lot several decades ago. I often hear about MPs whose politics I don't agree with (Malcolm Rifkind and Ian Murray to name a couple) who are very highly spoken of as constituency MPs and who have personally helped people I know.

Voting records in the House of Commons can be a far more fair stick with which to beat an MP in my experience.

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My Dad used to speak very highly of the late Robin Cook who helped him out a lot several decades ago. I often hear about MPs whose politics I don't agree with (Malcolm Rifkind and Ian Murray to name a couple) who are very highly spoken of as constituency MPs and who have personally helped people I know.

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Ian Murray also comes across pretty well when interviewed at, or speaking in debates at, the HoC. (Apart from always wearing a daft wee maroon badge on his lapel, the Hearts *****.)

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-col...as-b_14616.htm


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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...mpression=true

This has been a great thing for YES2. Davidson is finished.


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It really is typically Tory. Make sure that you look after yourself first and everything else, even their precious union, is second.

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...mpression=true

This has been a great thing for YES2. Davidson is finished.


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It is an interesting article. Being a legislator is incompatible with being paid by a lobbying firm, no two ways about it.

I disagree that there is a conflict of interest should someone step away from their legislative role and, as the writer puts it, use their expertise. That is what they are getting paid for, by the private firm. This isn’t a party issue as all of them do it.

Westminster has rules about there being a set amount of time for both MPs and civil servants I think, from leaving their job to working in the private sector. I am not sure if the timescale is long enough but then the whole point is that private firms want that recent and fresh experience and will pay for it. I think it is one of those things that just needs monitored and if it feels too strict or too relaxed then it can be changed.

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It is an interesting article. Being a legislator is incompatible with being paid by a lobbying firm, no two ways about it.

I disagree that there is a conflict of interest should someone step away from their legislative role and, as the writer puts it, use their expertise. That is what they are getting paid for, by the private firm. This isn’t a party issue as all of them do it.

Westminster has rules about there being a set amount of time for both MPs and civil servants I think, from leaving their job to working in the private sector. I am not sure if the timescale is long enough but then the whole point is that private firms want that recent and fresh experience and will pay for it. I think it is one of those things that just needs monitored and if it feels too strict or too relaxed then it can be changed.

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There should def be a rule that no sitting MP or MSP should be working for private companies at all. I would be very strict on that. And like you say, not a party political issue. This is a particularly obvious case because most wait until they stand down before taking a lobbying job.
Personally I would also not allow politicians access to parliamentary passes for at least 5 years after leaving office.
Your right that they all do it but this is still a gift to the Yes campaign.


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But she will get a pension for life, paid for by the taxpayer whilst the rest of us will have to wait until we are 66 or 67 before we can get ours and I will bet u a pound to a penny hers is not the pathetic amount we will get.

Well that's Ruth backing down now.....oh dear! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50222755

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Well that's Ruth backing down now.....oh dear! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50222755

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Impeccable timing, slips that out while everyone is distracted by the election news.

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But she will get a pension for life, paid for by the taxpayer whilst the rest of us will have to wait until we are 66 or 67 before we can get ours and I will bet u a pound to a penny hers is not the pathetic amount we will get.

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She was right to back down from the consultancy role but I don’t think she gets her Holyrood pension until she is 65.

MP’s can claim a pension after 20 years. Msp’ s get a payment of one third of salary if they quit/ voted out. We are in the wrong game.

Even backing out of this still damages her. The accusation she is in politics only for self enrichment will be hard to shift.


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MP’s can claim a pension after 20 years. Msp’ s get a payment of one third of salary if they quit/ voted out. We are in the wrong game.

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Can you imagine what tea breaks and Christmas nights out would be like?

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Even backing out of this still damages her. The accusation she is in politics only for self enrichment will be hard to shift.


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I think that is a tad harsh. Politicians get little respect and it is often easy to understand why, but they are human beings just like the rest of us. They have mortgages and credit card bills just like the rest of us. We all take advantage of what we can, to ensure our standard of living or provide for our children. Sometimes that is using our career experience to get a lucrative gig on the consultancy circuit, sometimes it is benefitting from an inheritance or the value of a parent or grandparents home.

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I think that is a tad harsh. Politicians get little respect and it is often easy to understand why, but they are human beings just like the rest of us. They have mortgages and credit card bills just like the rest of us. We all take advantage of what we can, to ensure our standard of living or provide for our children. Sometimes that is using our career experience to get a lucrative gig on the consultancy circuit, sometimes it is benefitting from an inheritance or the value of a parent or grandparents home.

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There are plenty jobs that insist that you only work exclusively in that job. Being a politician should be one of them. She deserves her reputation rubbished for signing up for this deal. The fact that she has had to back out shows the level of misjudgement involved.


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There are plenty jobs that insist that you only work exclusively in that job. Being a politician should be one of them. She deserves her reputation rubbished for signing up for this deal. The fact that she has had to back out shows the level of misjudgement involved.


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Yeah, I don’t disagree with you at all and said so earlier. I think politicians do face a tough time if and when they step aside and gain consultancy roles. It happens all the time in other walks of life.

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Yeah, I don’t disagree with you at all and said so earlier. I think politicians do face a tough time if and when they step aside and gain consultancy roles. It happens all the time in other walks of life.

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She hasn’t stepped aside. She is still an MSP. That’s why it hurts her. She’s on the take.


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Cross purposes? I was saying that any MP or MSP will use their background to take on consultancy roles when they leave. She or a he can’t possibly do that while an elected meneber. Although actually I think MPs can and do, maybe MSPs too. It has to be declared and dropped if one becomes a minister?

Nice to see little miss flip flop has flopped again.