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Is tynecastle a public listed building?

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Originally Posted by EdinAyr

Is tynecastle a public convenience?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Does anyone else not find it a little strange that if these tanks were so dangerous, why on earth were kids allowed to attend a school right next to it for years?:confused:

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I'm guessing that it's the daft way that health and safety regulations work. The sometimes over-zealous and OTT regulations make a mockery of previous regulations and only appy to newbuild. How many times has a tradesmen or, say, a gas engineer, told you that something was nowadays technically illegal yet didn't have to be ripped out until redeveloped or replaced.

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Originally Posted by dangermouse

But the piggery is not a local authority owned piece of land. It is owned by a business that could soon be liquidated so the liquidators will be within their rights to flog it off to whoever wants to buy it be that another football club or a property developer.

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The Edinburgh Local Development Plan is the thing to read.

The relevant section http://217.174.251.127/dev/plans/eclp/chap5.htm#OS1


It says:

Policy Os 1 - Open Space Protection

Proposals involving the loss of open space will not be permitted unless it is demonstrated that:

• there will be no significant impact on the quality or character of the local environment
• the open space is a small part of a larger area or of limited amenity or leisure value and there is a significant over-provision of open space serving the immediate area and
• the loss would not be detrimental to the wider network including its continuity or biodiversity value and either
• there will be a local benefit in allowing the development in terms of either alternative equivalent provision being made or improvement to an existing public park or other open space or
• the development is for a community purpose and the benefits to the local community outweigh the loss.

The policy seeks to protect all open spaces, both public and privately owned, which contribute to the amenity of their surroundings and the city, which provide or are capable of providing for the recreational needs of residents and visitors or which are an integral part of the city’s landscape and townscape character and its biodiversity. Many of the open spaces identified on the Proposals Map are covered by more than one designation, depending on their environmental quality and value to the community. It will be more important to protect open spaces in the future, as the population of parts of the city increases and brings added pressure on existing resources. The Council will only consider limited releases of open space to development in exceptional circumstances, where the loss would not result in detriment to the overall network or provision in the locality, and there are compensatory circumstances, such as scope for improving the quality of provision elsewhere in the network. Amenity areas in housing which have been provided with no clear purpose or sense of ownership might be considered for development, especially if a more comprehensive redevelopment of a wider area is in prospect and the resulting open space would be smaller in area but better in quality and usefulness.

Policy Os 2 - Playing Fields Protection

In addition to the requirements of Policy Os 1, the loss of some or all of a playing field or sports pitch will be permitted only where one of the following circumstances applies:

• the proposed development is ancillary to the principal use of the site as a playing field
• the proposed development involves a minor part of a playing field and would not adversely affect the use or potential of the remainder for sport and training
• an alternative playing field is to be provided of at least equivalent sporting value in a no less convenient location, or existing provision is to be significantly improved to compensate for the loss
• the Council is satisfied that there is a clear excess of sports pitches to meet current and anticipated future demand in the area, and the site can be developed without detriment to the overall quality of provision.

Playing field provision must be considered as a city-wide resource and in terms of its contribution to local needs. The Council’s assessment of provision in the city as a whole has concluded that the amount of pitches, whether or not in public ownership or publicly accessible, is equivalent to the need. However, about one third are substandard and would need to be improved. On this evaluation, the loss of pitches to development cannot be justified in principle. However, the loss might be acceptable if alternative equivalent provision is to be made in an equally convenient location. Development has been allowed where other pitches serving the local community are to be equipped with all-weather playing surfaces.

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Originally Posted by EdinAyr

Is tynecastle a public listed building?

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Building is pushing it a bit

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Originally Posted by Kato

Yes

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I would not do a 1 or 2 there.

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

The Edinburgh Local Development Plan is the thing to read.

The relevant section http://217.174.251.127/dev/plans/eclp/chap5.htm#OS1


It says:

Policy Os 1 - Open Space Protection

Proposals involving the loss of open space will not be permitted unless it is demonstrated that:

• there will be no significant impact on the quality or character of the local environment
• the open space is a small part of a larger area or of limited amenity or leisure value and there is a significant over-provision of open space serving the immediate area and
• the loss would not be detrimental to the wider network including its continuity or biodiversity value and either
• there will be a local benefit in allowing the development in terms of either alternative equivalent provision being made or improvement to an existing public park or other open space or
• the development is for a community purpose and the benefits to the local community outweigh the loss.

The policy seeks to protect all open spaces, both public and privately owned, which contribute to the amenity of their surroundings and the city, which provide or are capable of providing for the recreational needs of residents and visitors or which are an integral part of the city’s landscape and townscape character and its biodiversity. Many of the open spaces identified on the Proposals Map are covered by more than one designation, depending on their environmental quality and value to the community. It will be more important to protect open spaces in the future, as the population of parts of the city increases and brings added pressure on existing resources. The Council will only consider limited releases of open space to development in exceptional circumstances, where the loss would not result in detriment to the overall network or provision in the locality, and there are compensatory circumstances, such as scope for improving the quality of provision elsewhere in the network. Amenity areas in housing which have been provided with no clear purpose or sense of ownership might be considered for development, especially if a more comprehensive redevelopment of a wider area is in prospect and the resulting open space would be smaller in area but better in quality and usefulness.

Policy Os 2 - Playing Fields Protection

In addition to the requirements of Policy Os 1, the loss of some or all of a playing field or sports pitch will be permitted only where one of the following circumstances applies:

• the proposed development is ancillary to the principal use of the site as a playing field
• the proposed development involves a minor part of a playing field and would not adversely affect the use or potential of the remainder for sport and training
• an alternative playing field is to be provided of at least equivalent sporting value in a no less convenient location, or existing provision is to be significantly improved to compensate for the loss
• the Council is satisfied that there is a clear excess of sports pitches to meet current and anticipated future demand in the area, and the site can be developed without detriment to the overall quality of provision.

Playing field provision must be considered as a city-wide resource and in terms of its contribution to local needs. The Council’s assessment of provision in the city as a whole has concluded that the amount of pitches, whether or not in public ownership or publicly accessible, is equivalent to the need. However, about one third are substandard and would need to be improved. On this evaluation, the loss of pitches to development cannot be justified in principle. However, the loss might be acceptable if alternative equivalent provision is to be made in an equally convenient location. Development has been allowed where other pitches serving the local community are to be equipped with all-weather playing surfaces.

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Would the PBS really be classed as "Open Space"? Anything but imo. (The reason that it has the best atmosphere in Europe is that it's poky and cramped.) I think if you can't see the grass from the road then it's a stretch to think of it as open space.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Would the PBS really be classed as "Open Space"? Anything but imo. (The reason that it has the best atmosphere in Europe is that it's poky and cramped.) I think if you can't see the grass from the road then it's a stretch to think of it as open space.

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ECC LDP says it is. For clarity, it applies to Easter Road, and all cemeteries as well.

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Originally Posted by EdinAyr

Is tynecastle a public listed building?

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I don't know. Is it or did THIS go any further?

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

ECC LDP says it is. For clarity, it applies to Easter Road, and all cemeteries as well.

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Ta. Cemeteries I get. PBS can shirley only be so classified as a result of historic yam presence in the decision-making. And ER shouldn't be protected on those grounds either imo.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Would the PBS really be classed as "Open Space"? Anything but imo. (The reason that it has the best atmosphere in Europe is that it's poky and cramped.) I think if you can't see the grass from the road then it's a stretch to think of it as open space.

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really?

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Originally Posted by RickyS

really?

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yeah and Celtic have the worlds best fans, a Celtic fan told me that.

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Originally Posted by RickyS

really?

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Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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each to their own mate but i ****ing hate the place, 100 stadiums i would rather go to (maybe thats green tinted glasses tho i dinny ken)

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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It's an absolute hole of a ground. Bar the derby games that place is a morgue and that's coming from my mate who is a season ticket holder. For example..ER was rocking last derby but it's far from a place with a good atmosphere. Trust me don't believe the hype about that shed.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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You said "best in Europe" ;-)

My fat ar%e it is.......

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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It would help if it was big enough to comply with UEFA standards.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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A great sporting venue haha! how do you come to that conclusion? And to whoever said it was the best n europe for the atmosphere...away ye go, its not even in the top 100. Its a dull, boring *****hole.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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I used to like going to Tynie even when they introduced segregation as it did have an atmosphere. However, what they now call atmosphere is bile and hatred hurled at close range to opposition players and management. Horrible place nearly filled with horrible people.

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Originally Posted by EdinAyr

Is tynecastle a public listed building?

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Nope.

There are no restrictions in place regarding knocking it down. The only thing any demolisher is required to do is to do a full photographic and measurement survey of the main stand prior to demolition.

edit: if that's what you meant... reading the following posts makes me think it might not be (what you meant) ! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

I used to like going to Tynie even when they introduced segregation as it did have an atmosphere. However, what they now call atmosphere is bile and hatred hurled at close range to opposition players and management. Horrible place nearly filled with horrible people.

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It's a poisonous cesspit .

Has Monday's creditors meeting actually been confirmed as taking place, (or even confirmed as cancelled?). Surely there would be some publicly available notice to either effect?

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Whatever you think of the football club, with its shielding of beasts and poppy thieving, you can't deny that Tynecastle's a great sporting venue.

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Naaaaa it's a hole

Jambo myth being spread on that Mail story's comments that it was Hearts fans who stood up to Mercer to stop him shutting Hibs down.

Liars these people, just can't help themselves and don't even realise they are doing so.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Jambo myth being spread on that Mail story's comments that it was Hearts fans who stood up to Mercer to stop him shutting Hibs down.

Liars these people, just can't help themselves and don't even realise they are doing so.

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Hearts fans didn't do nothing. Can't blame Hibbys for trying to put a spoke in their wheels. Payback.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Jambo myth being spread on that Mail story's comments that it was Hearts fans who stood up to Mercer to stop him shutting Hibs down.

Liars these people, just can't help themselves and don't even realise they are doing so.

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And just how did they do that, by buying shares in Hibs? That was the only way David Rowland & his puppet Mercer were defeated, because he failed to get the 65 or 70% vote ( I forget the exact number ) of the shareholders necessary to approve the deal. I will always be appreciative of John Robertson standing up at the Usher Hall & the many decent Yams who attended Hands Off Hibs rally at ER &/or signed the petition but the circumstances were very different. Hearts are being punished for years of cheating but will continue to exist, in one form or another. We were being put to death for nothing to do with football but purely to allow a noxious multi-millionaire to make even more money from our demise.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Hearts fans didn't do nothing. Can't blame Hibbys for trying to put a spoke in their wheels. Payback.

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Em, a pedant writes, that means they did do something! :wink:

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

However, what they now call atmosphere is bile and hatred hurled at close range to opposition players and management. Horrible place nearly filled with horrible people.

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The practice, from those at the front of the Wheatfield, of throwing the ball away from opposition players at throw-ins is one of the many things that you highlight above. Even the ball boys are trained to do it!

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Originally Posted by brog

Em, a pedant writes, that means they did do something! :wink:

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Yes that's what i was meaning :)

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

Has Monday's creditors meeting actually been confirmed as taking place, (or even confirmed as cancelled?). Surely there would be some publicly available notice to either effect?

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I am going on the basis that no news is good news, if you catch my drift.

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Originally Posted by brog

And just how did they do that, by buying shares in Hibs? That was the only way David Rowland & his puppet Mercer were defeated, because he failed to get the 65 or 70% vote ( I forget the exact number ) of the shareholders necessary to approve the deal. I will always be appreciative of John Robertson standing up at the Usher Hall & the many decent Yams who attended Hands Off Hibs rally at ER &/or signed the petition but the circumstances were very different. Hearts are being punished for years of cheating but will continue to exist, in one form or another. We were being put to death for nothing to do with football but purely to allow a noxious multi-millionaire to make even more money from our demise.

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75%.

The circumstances are dramatically different. GGTTH

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Originally Posted by brog

And just how did they do that, by buying shares in Hibs? That was the only way David Rowland & his puppet Mercer were defeated, because he failed to get the 65 or 70% vote ( I forget the exact number ) of the shareholders necessary to approve the deal. I will always be appreciative of John Robertson standing up at the Usher Hall & the many decent Yams who attended Hands Off Hibs rally at ER &/or signed the petition but the circumstances were very different. Hearts are being punished for years of cheating but will continue to exist, in one form or another. We were being put to death for nothing to do with football but purely to allow a noxious multi-millionaire to make even more money from our demise.

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Spot on. The only thing that prevented the "takeover" was David Duff refusing to sell his shareholding (and taking a financial hit in the process). He may have been instrumental (along with Gray) in getting us into that vulnerable position, but he deserves credit for digging his heels in at the 11th hour.