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Once the four national boundary reviews are completed in 2023, England is set to have 543 MPs, Wales 32, a loss of eight, and Scotland 57, a decrease of two.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
So with 543 MPs in England, what they say, goes. Even if every Scottish MP from whatever party voted against something that English MPs wanted, we couldn't win the vote. Westminster is England.
Best deal the unions could achieve at present and they have (rightly IMHO) accepted it. But I know there remains disquiet (not just among the more 'militant' NASUWT) that the offer still falls well below inflation. They still want to resolve that and reinstate the value of teachers' salaries.How that plays out remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think there's going to be continuing disquiet for a bit longer. The complaints about pay increases being less than inflation aren't unreasonable but it's harder to see where the money comes from to pay for public sector pay increases in line with inflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Below I'll link to article written a few months ago by a business coach who advises dentists (a big part of the advice he gives tends to revolve around abandoning the sinking ship that is the NHS). These are the pay increases that Sainsbury's are awarding their staff. The way they'll pay for it will be by increasing their prices, the prices paid by the teachers etc. Unfortunately the governments on both sides of the border just won't have the same sort of flexibility / wiggle room to raise funds to pay the increased wages to keep up with inflation.
It's a mess and I don't know what the solution is. All I do know is that irrespective of anyone's political views, it's not in anybody's interests to have ambulance drivers, teachers, firefighters etc on strike - we all need them to be adequately paid and happy enough being able to do their best in their jobs, and it's terrible state of affairs when they cannot.
Now I think of it - the taxes on record profits, then the income tax paid on increased pay for employees at the supermarkets will probably be a starting point when it comes to raising cash to award public sector pay increases in line with inflation.
https://www.coachbarrow.com/post/sai...e-in-12-months
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Of course, if you're a boss at the Ferguson shipyard you simply bypass the SG and award yourself a hefty bonus:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-64954744
Yes. HH can speak for every teacher in the country because he’s worked in the same building as a few and he knows they’re all still pure raging at the SNP and will strike again very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Or he’s desperately trolling about the SNP again seeing as the Lineker thread has died down.
MP’s vote on party lines not on country lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The assumption underpinning this is that MPs for English constituencies vote as a homogeneous block. That is, of course, nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
If England wants something, it gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
England isn't a block. I know you are trying to set up a Scotland England thing here. People in Aberdeen argue that if the central belt wants something they get it. Is that also the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Ozy said England blocked Scottish Govt policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
You said Westminster, not England.
I said same difference.
England / Westminster blocked Scottish Govt policy.
It's not the same. I don't think it's healthy to reduce it to a Scotland England thing. Would you say the same about Aberdonians saying central belt blocked something in the Scottish Parliament?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I can't speak for every teacher in the country (though my job has taken me from Aberdeen and Dundee to Glasgow and Edinburgh so I've probably worked with a few hundred down the years) but you certainly seem to think you can speak for me. If my opinions irritate you so much you can always block me ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Pointing out that teaching unions are disillusioned enough with the SG to have launched their first strikes in 40 years isn't what I'd describe as trolling
Nonsense argument. As you well know, Aberdeen isn't a separate country with its own Parliament and laws. This is bordering on troll-like behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Genuine question: is the teachers disillusionment solely with the SG, or does their concern extend to their treatment by the wider UK Government (in terms of cost of living, energy costs etc)?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Not wishing to answer for HH here (I will anyway) but I always find it really hard to sum up the thoughts of tens of thousands of people or make sweeping generalisations.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Within the teaching profession you'll have the ones who are avidly anti-SNP and allow it to judge their opinions and you'll also have the avidly pro-independence ones who will think the SNP can do no wrong and will wish to put the blame on the Tories and whitewash the SNP of as much responsibility as possible.
I don't work in teaching but in my line of work I'd fully confess to being an outlier, so trying to sum up the thoughts and feelings of a large group of people whose opinion I don't really share can be a bit of a challenge.
It's the very opposite of troll like behaviour. The UK is a unitary state. Scotland is not a separate country. The argument you are making is exactly the same as some Aberdonians make about the Scottish Parliament. So either they are both valid or both invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by grunt
Bit of a Sunak-like political reply there.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
I have no idea what this means.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
… and there’s a genuine answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
It almost makes you wonder why nearly fifty SNP MPs bother with itQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
And take the good salary, the very comfortable pension, the healthy staffing and expense account, the chance to sit on select committees, the chance to get on national TV on a regular basis. Let alone the APPGs.
One SNP MP has to manage being vice-chair of the APPG on the British Virgin Islands as well as the APPG on pubs. As well as 55 other APPG memberships, including the Pacific Islands, Japan and Switzerland. How she copes with that I do not know. And all that for a vote that doesn’t matter in parliament!
As I say, it almost makes you wonder why they bother with it, given you say it is such a waste of time. Almost.
I’m sure England wants the extra £2000 per head funding that Scotland enjoys, but I don’t think they’ve got it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
If England want to spend an extra £2000 on their public services all they need to do is vote for it. Not a luxury we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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I see the point you are making here Ozy. Do nothing and reap the 'Union dividend'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Be careful though, my friend. Some of your fellow party members won't see the big picture like you do :greengrin
TheYep, and the Barnet consequential will immediately increase Scotland’s spending by an equivalent amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Amazingly, if the people of England want to stop that too, they can do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Saw Scotland is getting an extra 300 mil from Barnet in the budget. The more they idiots waste on nonsense the better for us
It's not the people of England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It means you replied to half my statement and left out the bit that was difficult for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
But then you know that. You're just a troll. Bye.