Josh Campbell

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Pretty straightforward question really. I’m just curious from your point of view. What I think you see as his main position wouldn’t really have been accommodated in Maloney’s preferred system (so not just a straightforward case of playing him somewhere different) just as it won’t be accommodated in Montgomery’s preferred system.

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I'd have thought most folk would have seen Josh as an attacking midfielder though versatile in you can play him in a few positions. Strengths are he gets into good goalscoring positions , great stamina ,energy and work ethic for the team .Don't think many attack- minded players would have fitted into Maloney's preferred system which generally didn't involve attacking anyhow.

I'm not so sure he won't be accommodated in Monty's team tbh . He's already put him up forward and praised the shift he put in too.I think he could be used as a 10 behind the main striker aswell .

I think Josh Campbell is a good player who's contributed more than some of our other midfielders though because he's hit a bad patch the knife's are out just like they have been for Fish , Youan and other players in the past . Campbell will come good again and I'm still convinced if played he will score double figures for us this season which would be a very good return for a Midfielder imo .

Josh Campbell one of our own :not worth. :flag:

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

I'd have thought most folk would have seen Josh as an attacking midfielder though versatile in you can play him in a few positions. Strengths are he gets into good goalscoring positions , great stamina ,energy and work ethic for the team .Don't think many attack- minded players would have fitted into Maloney's preferred system which generally didn't involve attacking anyhow.

I'm not so sure he won't be accommodated in Monty's team tbh . He's already put him up forward and praised the shift he put in too.I think he could be used as a 10 behind the main striker aswell .

I think Josh Campbell is a good player who's contributed more than some of our other midfielders though because he's hit a bad patch the knife's are out just like they have been for Fish , Youan and other players in the past . Campbell will come good again and I'm still convinced if played he will score double figures for us this season which would be a very good return for a Midfielder imo .

Josh Campbell one of our own :not worth. :flag:

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Re him being accommodated in Monty’s team, he dropped him for his first game as he’s not going to play in the middle of the park in that system unless we are short of bodies. Found it strange him coming on as a forward, don’t think that would have happened had Doidge not been injured and had Vente not been playing with a knock from the first minute.

He will pick up minutes because he’ll put a shift in wherever he’s asked to play but he’s not going to be a first pick.

The knives aren’t out, many folk haven’t been convinced with him for as long as been playing.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

The knives aren’t out, many folk haven’t been convinced with him for as long as been playing.

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:agree:

The idea peoples opinions on Josh Campbell are based on nothing but ‘a bad patch’ is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Re him being accommodated in Monty’s team, he dropped him for his first game as he’s not going to play in the middle of the park in that system unless we are short of bodies. Found it strange him coming on as a forward, don’t think that would have happened had Doidge not been injured and had Vente not been playing with a knock from the first minute.

He will pick up minutes because he’ll put a shift in wherever he’s asked to play but he’s not going to be a first pick.

The knives aren’t out, many folk haven’t been convinced with him for as long as been playing.

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Hanlon was dropped as well after playing in the Aberdeen game too. Didn't find it that strange him coming on as a forward because he gets into good goalscoring positions and has a good shot too though I think he'd do well in games playing behind our main striker too.

Monty praised him for the shift he put in when he came on against killie and I think will play him often enough wither he will be a regular I don't know though if he works as hard as he does for the team and starts scoring again he will be hard to drop like in his performance in the 2-2 against sevco were he was the best player on the park imo.

As to our Midfield I thought 2nd half in the Killie game we give the ball away badly and lacked creativity an going problem imo . A Midfield pairing of Newell and JDH doesn't impress me and personally I think Campbell offers more and has contributed more than JDH tbh .

Knives are always out with football fans and it doesn't take much for opinions to change ( including myself in that btw).It could be a team losing a few games or a player making mistakes or a dip in form of a player. Remember most fans wanting josh to sign a contract and delighted when he did too ! .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Hanlon was dropped as well after playing in the Aberdeen game too. Didn't find it that strange him coming on as a forward because he gets into good goalscoring positions and has a good shot too though I think he'd do well in games playing behind our main striker too.

Monty praised him for the shift he put in when he came on against killie and I think will play him often enough wither he will be a regular I don't know though if he works as hard as he does for the team and starts scoring again he will be hard to drop like in his performance in the 2-2 against sevco were he was the best player on the park imo.

As to our Midfield I thought 2nd half in the Killie game we give the ball away badly and lacked creativity an going problem imo . A Midfield pairing of Newell and JDH doesn't impress me and personally I think Campbell offers more and has contributed more than JDH tbh .

Knives are always out with football fans and it doesn't take much for opinions to change ( including myself in that btw).It could be a team losing a few games or a player making mistakes or a dip in form of a player. Remember most fans wanting josh to sign a contract and delighted when he did too ! .

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Hanlon was deemed not fit enough to start due to a knock as mentioned by our manager before kick off.

JDH didn’t play against Kilmarnock.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

:agree:

The idea peoples opinions on Josh Campbell are based on nothing but ‘a bad patch’ is nonsense.

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Did folk not have opinions on Youan and Fish when they had a bad patch? Or is that nonsense too ? You really know how to add to a discussion or debate btw :rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Hanlon was deemed not fit enough to start due to a knock as mentioned by our manager before kick off.

JDH didn’t play against Kilmarnock.

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I knew about Hanlon btw . Campbell also had a injury earlier in the season he was asked to play with at the time and I never said JDH did play against killie so you've lost me there mate .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

I knew about Hanlon btw . Campbell also had a injury earlier in the season he was asked to play with at the time and I never said JDH did play against killie so you've lost me there mate .

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If you knew about Hanlon, why did you say he was dropped? He wasn’t dropped, he missed out due to injury.

JDH isn’t currently keeping Campbell out the team so whether or not he would contribute more than him isn’t really relevant.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

If you knew about Hanlon, why did you say he was dropped? He wasn’t dropped, he missed out due to injury.

JDH isn’t currently keeping Campbell out the team so whether or not he would contribute more than him isn’t really relevant.

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Hanlon's injury couldn't have been that bad in stopping him playing when he was on the bench . We dropped him to the bench for the Kilmarnock game in order to rest him which was the right decision.

JDH isn't keeping Campbell out of the team though it's relevant in that some folk would have him ahead of Campbell which I wouldn't as Campbell offers and contributes more to the team .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Hanlon's injury couldn't have been that bad in stopping him playing when he was on the bench . We dropped him to the bench for the Kilmarnock game in order to rest him which was the right decision.

JDH isn't keeping Campbell out of the team though it's relevant in that some folk would have him ahead of Campbell which I wouldn't as Campbell offers and contributes more to the team .

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Hanlon will start when fully fit and JDH will play every in front of Campbell in a midfield two when fit. He's much better than Campbell in a two.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Hanlon will start when fully fit and JDH will play every in front of Campbell in a midfield two when fit. He's much better than Campbell in a two.

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Agreed about Hanlon. Absolute legend. Fair enough mate your entitled to your opinion though does JDH score more goals than Campbell ? , does he have more energy and stamina than Campbell ? . The when fit also seems to be issue with JDH unfortunately . Again don't think Newell and JDH are a good Midfield pairing, certainly lack goals tbh .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Agreed about Hanlon. Absolute legend. Fair enough mate your entitled to your opinion though does JDH score more goals than Campbell ? , does he have more energy and stamina than Campbell ? . The when fit also seems to be issue with JDH unfortunately . Again don't think Newell and JDH are a good Midfield pairing, certainly lack goals tbh .

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He doesn’t score more or have more energy, but he’s a better midfielder.

If we’re playing 2 centre mids, with Youan and Boyle wide, and 2 forwards, the 2 centre mids don’t need to score goals. They need to control the midfield.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Hanlon's injury couldn't have been that bad in stopping him playing when he was on the bench . We dropped him to the bench for the Kilmarnock game in order to rest him which was the right decision.

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If Hanlons injury wasnt bad enough to have stopped him playing, and he was only being rested, then that was entirely the wrong decision.

If Hanlon had started we’d have got the 3 points, not only 1.

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Originally Posted by easty

He doesn’t score more or have more energy, but he’s a better midfielder.

If we’re playing 2 centre mids, with Youan and Boyle wide, and 2 forwards, the 2 centre mids don’t need to score goals. They need to control the midfield.

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:agree:

Also - if Campbell does play as one of the top 2, he won't be giving us "goals from midfield".

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Originally Posted by easty

He doesn’t score more or have more energy, but he’s a better midfielder.

If we’re playing 2 centre mids, with Youan and Boyle wide, and 2 forwards, the 2 centre mids don’t need to score goals. They need to control the midfield.

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You mean like the way we controlled it in the 2nd half against killie ?. I watched other games were we had JDH in midfield with exactly the same outcome . Admire your optimism EASTY if you think everything's going to be ok and we are going to control or dominate other teams Midfields with a pairing of Newell and JDH btw :aok:

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

You mean like the way we controlled it in the 2nd half against killie ?. I watched other games were we had JDH in midfield with exactly the same outcome . Admire your optimism EASTY if you think everything's we are going to control or dominate other teams Midfields with a pairing of Newell and JDH btw :aok:

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We certainly won't with Campbell if JDH can't.

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Originally Posted by easty

If Hanlons injury wasnt bad enough to have stopped him playing, and he was only being rested, then that was entirely the wrong decision.

If Hanlon had started we’d have got the 3 points, not only 1.

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Not if there was a risk of him being out for longer due to playing on that pitch . We are in the realm's of IF'S and BUTS now !. We don't know if we'd have won it if Hanlon had played. Wasn't just the defense at fault in the 2nd half but the midfield too who repeatedly give the ball away and lacked any creativity or control. Again if you think JDH and Newell in midfield is the answer to sorting this out , great stuff ! , though have my doubts tbh .

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

We certainly won't with Campbell if JDH can't.

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We have tried JDH with Newell in midfield before and imo it's not worked they haven't controlled the midfield , lacked creativity and seeing as both of them have something like 10 career goals between them the chances of a goal are pretty slim though if your all happy with Newell and JDH in midfield fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

You mean like the way we controlled it in the 2nd half against killie ?. I watched other games were we had JDH in midfield with exactly the same outcome . Admire your optimism EASTY if you think everything's we are going to control or dominate other teams Midfields with a pairing of Newell and JDH btw :aok:

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You'll never see me post anything remotely close to saying that I want Newell and JDH to be our midfield 2

I don't. I don't even particularly like JDH, but he's a better midfielder than Campbell.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

We have tried JDH with Newell in midfield before and imo it's not worked they haven't controlled the midfield , lacked creativity and seeing as both of them have something like 10 career goals between them the chances of a goal are pretty slim though if your all happy with Newell and JDH in midfield fair enough.

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You don't need your midfield 2 to get goals in this system though. They're there to win and circulate the ball. We effectively have a 4-2-4. With 4 attackers more than capable of scoring regularly. That's plenty. It's about balance.

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Originally Posted by easty

You'll never see me post anything remotely close to saying that I want Newell and JDH to be our midfield 2

I don't. I don't even particularly like JDH, but he's a better midfielder than Campbell.

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Disagree again . Campbell has contributed more to hibs than JDH plus the fact one is regularly unavailable for selection as well is another factor that must be taken into account too .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Disagree again . Campbell has contributed more to hibs than JDH plus the fact one is regularly unavailable for selection as well is another factor that must be taken into account too .

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I don't see how what you've said is disagreeing with what I've said. It's irrelevant to the post you've quoted.

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Originally Posted by easty

You don't need your midfield 2 to get goals in this system though. They're there to win and circulate the ball. We effectively have a 4-2-4. With 4 attackers more than capable of scoring regularly. That's plenty. It's about balance.

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Correct. CCM central midfielders only scored 3 goals in 91 combined appearances last season. The system needs players who can win possession and get it to full backs and attacking players quickly. They need to be very good passers as the style requires quick, often one touch passes into space. Of our current options, Newell and Levitt would probably be best suited and played well together as a 2 in a 4-4-2 at home to Luzern.

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Originally Posted by easty

You don't need your midfield 2 to get goals in this system though. They're there to win and circulate the ball. We effectively have a 4-2-4. With 4 attackers more than capable of scoring regularly. That's plenty. It's about balance.

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You so far have mentioned controlling , winning and circulating the ball from Midfield. It didn't happen against killie in the 2nd half and it's not just been that game but others as well. 2 minutes our 2 goal advantage lasted in the Killie game because we couldn't control , win or circulate the ball .

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Originally Posted by easty

You don't need your midfield 2 to get goals in this system though. They're there to win and circulate the ball. We effectively have a 4-2-4. With 4 attackers more than capable of scoring regularly. That's plenty. It's about balance.

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Correct.


You’re wasting your time debating this one I reckon.

Josh Campbell has scored more goals and that appears to trump anything, even the things that midfielders need to be good at, which Campbell isn’t particularly good at.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

You so far have mentioned controlling , winning and circulating the ball from Midfield. It didn't happen against killie in the 2nd half and it's not just been that game but others as well. 2 minutes our 2 goal advantage lasted in the Killie game because we couldn't control , win or circulate the ball .

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Are you arguing against the system/formation, or that you think we need Campbell in the midfield 2?

I'm not really sure what your point is?

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

We have tried JDH with Newell in midfield before and imo it's not worked they haven't controlled the midfield , lacked creativity and seeing as both of them have something like 10 career goals between them the chances of a goal are pretty slim though if your all happy with Newell and JDH in midfield fair enough.

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You're making out Campbell is Frank lampard. He gets a few more goals than the average midfielder. His all round game isn't worth it imo.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

Correct.


You’re wasting your time debating this one I reckon.

Josh Campbell has scored more goals and that appears to trump anything, even the things that midfielders need to be good at, which Campbell isn’t particularly good at.

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Another outstanding contribution once again 😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by easty

If Hanlons injury wasnt bad enough to have stopped him playing, and he was only being rested, then that was entirely the wrong decision.

If Hanlon had started we’d have got the 3 points, not only 1.

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LJ constantly played him when injured.Id rather we rested players than have them more seriously injured.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

LJ constantly played him when injured.Id rather we rested players than have them more seriously injured.

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Players shouldn’t be on the bench if they’re not fit to play.

In fact…wasn’t it you who complained of the same thing with Boyle in that European game?