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Collateral is something of value. Think you mean waste disposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
It’s not, but the model will almost certainly be used to decide the top league as well. There will have to be another vote on that, but it’s unlikely that clubs in the top flight would change their vote. Obviously we would then have another vote on reconstruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Is that the case, though? A couple of clubs might prefer to wait and see for a few weeks, at which point their view hardens.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!
Hibs are treading a dangerous path with their fans if they vote to keep hearts up. I would not be happy about it
How will fans feel when hearts overspend again on players they can’t afford and beat us at Easter road?
Just saying if we had done our job at home this year against them this wouldn’t be up for argument as they’d be down already.
It’s more about risking the new tv deal and shortening next season by trying to finish this one in August/September. Club have just passed 3000 season tickets. Are they going to have to tell those fans that next season won’t be as long because we are determined to finish this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloucester Hibs
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That's my point though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
You seem to be criticising Hibs' approach. You're saying that the "vast majority" of supporters will be unhappy with it.
The thing is, we don't know what Hibs approach is (apart from Leeann Dempster saying that we shouldn't rush into things).
There's outrage for no reason.
It’s possible if the virus clears away quicker than anticipated that clubs will change their minds and vote to wait and see if the games can be played. The vote today sets the precedent for the most likely outcome for the premiership though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Ok, let's see how it goes today. I am concerned that the Club make the same mistake they made over the Rangers debacle, where we voted against an independent inquiry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I don't want a them and us situation again between supporters and Club, and I am fearful that will happen if Hibs vote No today.
Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.
With the overall Covid 19 situation changing by the day you can understand why they don't want to make a final decision at this point. The lockdown may well be relaxed in the next month or so and there might be an opportunity to play the remaining games, perhaps behind closed doors. Who knows?
I doubt if relegating Hearts is a major factor in LD's thoughts, she is probably more concerned about the financial cost of calling the season and having to refund season ticket holders for the un-played games.
Agree that today's vote doesn't create any certainty, and that regardless of the outcome Hearts won't be relegated today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
However, a Yes vote today makes it likely Hearts will be relegated given that it is virtually certain games won't be completed. The decision would be ratified when UEFA accept this position.
League reconstruction is the only other way Hearts will be saved, which I've already said I wouldn't have a big problem with if it was for the good of Hibs and Scottish football. Can't see reconstruction happening though as 1 of the OF would need to be on board. No chance.
What time is the vote?
It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalkeith stu
Accepting the recommendations on the table (assuming it eventually extends to the premiership) promotes St Johnstone to sixth place and costs us the extra prize money. My post was suggesting that if the poll question was worded in that way rather than implying that the vote was all about relegating Hearts - which it isn't and never will be - then the results would have been very different. Not accepting the recommendations means that other methods of assessing the final placings will have to be considered. Assuming some sort of outcome prediction for the missed games is not feasible my choice would be to take the tables as they stand rather than applying the points per game method. No course of action can be 100% fair but the proposed course of action is unfair on our club IMO.
PS I see someone over on JKB has suggested penalty shootouts with social distancing precautions to settle the remaining games - if the scores are level after all the penalties have been taken the game is a draw. Not sure how feasible that is but it's not a bad idea on the face of it.
How massively ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Deadline for clubs getting votes to the SPFL is 5pm. No idea when they'll announce the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
So it will be the Good Friday or No Friday agreement then?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
There is no football in Scotland until at earliest 1st August being 6 weeks after the 10th June legal date given and that is just being hugely optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Box 17
Hence there is no time to complete this season unless you shorten next season and that isn't on anyone's agenda.
Its null and void or call it as it stands unless a miracle solution is found.
I had actually forgotten about season tickets money for this year being refunded but don't remotely think that is on Hibs agenda either which is fair enough in the circumstances.
Might not be decided today but will point the SPFL in the right direction. Stop pretending otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Great. Another one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge
League reconstruction= TV deal reconstruction.
Yes or no?
Simply put the OF derbies are the highlight for sky- by a distance. Second place... Edinburgh derby?
Theres no chance sky are going to agree to a league format where they dont get their 4 OF league games a season.
Going back to ask them to consider this may even jeopardize the current deal.
So what are we left with? Finish the games before next season- not possible. Void season- not happening..
Bye hearts!
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Would next season need to be shortened though, if the current season was played to the end whenever it's safe. If 20/21 won't be finished by next May/the Euro Championships, can't we just conclude it after next summer? Just push everything back and slightly compress it until we're back to 'normal' timelines. Nobody really knows when we can resume, so if we end this season now there's no guarantee next season will be on schedule anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baldmans Comb
For the player contracts side of things mentioned, I'm maybe not understanding that either. There's can be a lot of squad rotation in January transfer window and no talk of unfairness. Transfer windows could be relaxed or shifted. It's a team game regardless of who's available.
In terms of prize money/finances, couldn't clubs be paid out the majority now with the rest of the cash to follow? I think I saw Motherwell were awarded top 6 money as that was guaranteed?
For the TV deal, the games would all be played, we just don't know when, that's the case regardless of ending this season now or in 6 months time.
I've been avoiding most of this so may be repeating old arguments but haven't seen anything to convince me we can't resume the season with someone sitting down and re-planning timelines, as and when we know more.
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Originally Posted by Gloucester Hibs
At the AGM Ron Gordon said his aim was to double commercial revenue for the club.
Having our Gorgie chums out of the top tier for a season or more would give us a great opportunity to secure some new deals.
However , if we are seen as a partisan club leading the call to relegate our rivals, that might not go down well in the corporate world .
Ours should be seen as a considerate approach and their relegation as An unavoidable consequence of circumstance.
No no blood on our hands. ! :greengrin
Carnage about to unfold on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
By keeping quiet we are going to be seen as the deciding vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Marvin
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Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Don't let us down thousands of season tickets are riding on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Marvin
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I genuinely believe there are. Myself included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld