Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

Just for perspective. Over 30 people have died in the UK this winter due to flu. Over 3,000 in the US.

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A little extra perspective would be 41 deaths in the last day in Italy
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235614089189212162
which exceeds 39 deaths from the flu in Italy since October
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/gen...ff61087de.html

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

First death in the UK from corona virus has just been announced

Tweet from Laura kuennsburg 12 minutes ago.

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Had the virus never necessarily died from it though.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Had the virus never necessarily died from it though.

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Folk with the flu don’t either....

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

I'm a hand washing freak, a habit I developed 35 years ago when I first started working on a drawing board. Even though the technology has changed my habits haven't.

In general the toilets in football grounds are minging. Clubs may do their best to provide clean facilities but a few thousand people with various levels of intelligence and social skill will soon have the place clarty. And that's everything - basins , taps, door handles, soap dispensers, ie. everything you're likely to touch.

Simply not being able to dry your hands properly will quickly negate any meagre benefit gained from washing them in the first place.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...erial-transfer

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I'm not saying that the toilets are perfect but generally I can't see it being a bad thing to wash your hands.

There's not even a door to open on your way out of the toilets - win/win!

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

Just for perspective. Over 30 people have died in the UK this winter due to flu. Over 3,000 in the US.

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Is that not the whole point?

The "normal" flu isn't as lethal (death rate of 0.1% Vs coronavirus mortality rate of c.2/3%) and is a widespread, known virus which we have an inherent level of immunity to, and have a vaccination.

If we allow this new version of the flu to go beyond its current level and not be contained then it becomes as wide spread as the regular flu, but kills more people.

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

I'm not saying that the toilets are perfect but generally I can't see it being a bad thing to wash your hands.

There's not even a door to open on your way out of the toilets - win/win!

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Are you more likely to catch coronavirus from a tap that's been touched by hundreds of people, many of whom just give their hands a quick splash, or from your own knob?

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Is that not the whole point?

The "normal" flu isn't as lethal (death rate of 0.1% Vs coronavirus mortality rate of c.2/3%) and is a widespread, known virus which we have an inherent level of immunity to, and have a vaccination.

If we allow this new version of the flu to go beyond its current level and not be contained then it becomes as wide spread as the regular flu, but kills more people.

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The chance of dieing from the flu compared to the Coronavirus is much higher. A nurse told me tonight that you have a 1.8% chance of catching the Coronavirus and it being fatal, but you have a 12% chance of the seasonal flu being fatal.

More than one in ten die from the flu? Try 0.1 %
Coronavirus is 3-4 %, your nurse is talking ***** 😂

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Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged

More than one in ten die from the flu? Try 0.1 %
Coronavirus is 3-4 %, your nurse is talking ***** 😂

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Prof Leung:

3.4% - that is the rate of cumulative deaths among cumulative cases.

“This is the wrong number and will continue to be wrong unless and until the entire epidemic has run its full course.”

Football now being impacted. This will hit communications between Rangers and referees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...eemasons-told/

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

The chance of dieing from the flu compared to the Coronavirus is much higher. A nurse told me tonight that you have a 1.8% chance of catching the Coronavirus and it being fatal, but you have a 12% chance of the seasonal flu being fatal.

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But you can vaccinate against flu which reduces its spread

I note that Lourdes has been closed as a precaution to stop coronavirus spread.

Bit of a lack of faith, there!!

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Originally Posted by Colr

I note that Lourdes has been closed as a precaution to stop coronavirus spread.

Bit of a lack of faith, there!!

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My sister was supposed to be going as medical support for the Easter pilgrimage but their group cancelled last week.

A lot of the kids that go are at high risk of pneumonia and so on because of their conditions so, joking aside, it's a sensible decision.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Are you more likely to catch coronavirus from a tap that's been touched by hundreds of people, many of whom just give their hands a quick splash, or from your own knob?

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When you put it like that I might have to rethink things...

Surely the world is just a better place if people wash their hands after going to the bathroom. :confused:

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

The chance of dieing from the flu compared to the Coronavirus is much higher. A nurse told me tonight that you have a 1.8% chance of catching the Coronavirus and it being fatal, but you have a 12% chance of the seasonal flu being fatal.

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That doesn't sound right. I'm sure my figures are the right ones.

There's maybe more chance of dying from the season flu as things stand as the new one isn't as widespread yet though.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Are you more likely to catch coronavirus from a tap that's been touched by hundreds of people, many of whom just give their hands a quick splash, or from your own knob?

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That's exactly what I was getting at - although my natural modesty means that I generally avoid talking about my knob.

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

When you put it like that I might have to rethink things...

Surely the world is just a better place if people wash their hands after going to the bathroom. :confused:

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In theory yes.

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Originally Posted by Colr

Football now being impacted. This will hit communications between Rangers and referees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...eemasons-told/

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Jim Traynor has his crayons on standby.

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Is that not the whole point?

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The point is more about how this is being reported and the global and completely irrational panic it is creating.

Every year thousands die from flu or flu related complications. But it never gets the headlines and we don’t panic buy, wear masks etc.

I’m not downplaying it. Just trying to get a bit of perspective.

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

The point is more about how this is being reported and the global and completely irrational panic it is creating.

Every year thousands die from flu or flu related complications. But it never gets the headlines and we don’t panic buy, wear masks etc.

I’m not downplaying it. Just trying to get a bit of perspective.

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The bit of my post that you didn't quote addresses that.

If left unchecked this could become as mainstream and common as the flu, but with a mortality rate much worse. Hence the headlines and people trying to stop its spread.

I'd agree that things are a bit OTT with panic buying etc although I'm not sure I've seen much else change in all honesty - I did finally see 1 person wearing a mask in Edinburgh this morning though!

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Are you more likely to catch coronavirus from a tap that's been touched by hundreds of people, many of whom just give their hands a quick splash, or from your own knob?

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But what might you catch from touching the same things as folk who haven't washed their hands after touching their knob?

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Originally Posted by Future17

But what might you catch from touching the same things as folk who haven't washed their hands after touching their knob?

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This is why I'd much rather have hand sanitiser dispensers in the bog at Easter road. Touching those taps gives me the fear and I often forget to take my own.

This is mental. Surely staff should wear gloves to serve people instead of banning reusable cups.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51767092

I’m not too concerned about actually having this virus, I’m far more concerned about the economic effect it will have. I’m a self employed electrician and I’m becoming more concerned about how this will effect my business after hearing things like this could put us into a recession, fingers crossed for everyone that this blows over pretty quicky with as little impact as possible.

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Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee

I’m not too concerned about actually having this virus, I’m far more concerned about the economic effect it will have. I’m a self employed electrician and I’m becoming more concerned about how this will effect my business after hearing things like this could put us into a recession, fingers crossed for everyone that this blows over pretty quicky with as little impact as possible.

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TBH I can't see how the economic effects will be anything other than catastrophic.

My business doesn't have much left in it if we have to close (not a ridiculous prospect at this stage as we are the sort of business that has the potential to spread the virus far and wide if we're not careful). If we get to a point where we can't pay bills, we might end up taking a few other businesses with us.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

This is mental. Surely staff should wear gloves to serve people instead of banning reusable cups.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51767092

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Absolutely not, wearing gloves for a prolonged length of time is disgusting in a food serving environment.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

My sister was supposed to be going as medical support for the Easter pilgrimage but their group cancelled last week.

A lot of the kids that go are at high risk of pneumonia and so on because of their conditions so, joking aside, it's a sensible decision.

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Some huge irony there.

Surely the healing from Lourdes is all about faith. If you have faith, you’ll be fine (or healed).

Can you have faith or science. Sounds like science is winning in this precaution.

J

Estimated close to 1 billion flu infections per year, mortality rate of under 0.01% = reported 500,000 - 750,000 deaths per year (severity varies from one flu season to the next). We know plenty about the flu, we can prepare for the flu season and do well with getting the strains sorted in the vaccination programmes.

Covid-19, looks to be spreading much easier as we've no immunity to it and obviously no vaccination programme in place, also sounds like if you catch it and have a good immune system then it doesn't floor you like flu does, but A LOT of people don't have great immune systems. However, we still know very little about it, so say a billion people end up contracting this (That's a little over 13% of the global population) with a 3.4% mortality rate = 34 million deaths. If we go a bit more conservative and say maybe only 500 million people get this (just under 7% of the global population), then that's 17 million worldwide deaths. If the mortality rate increases, which wouldn't be entirely surprising, then these numbers rise further and start looking like projected global war death rates.

I'm a type 1 diabetic, if I get a cold I'm ill for 3-4 weeks with it as my immune system is pretty terrible. I had flu once when I was 14, I was in hospital for just under 4 weeks in high dependency. With this virus being described by the Chinese authorities who've performed autopsies as being brutal and a cross between Pneumonia and Aids considering the strength of attacks on the lungs and immune system, I'm s****ing myself.

There's very little the 'world' can do to stop this IMO, it will rely on individuals playing it smart and strong leadership making and enforcing difficult decisions.

Edit: The 3.4% mortality rate is based on confirmed cases and current fatalities, there's still upwards of 40,000 ongoing cases, if some of those end up in fatalities, the mortality rate will increase.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Absolutely not, wearing gloves for a prolonged length of time is disgusting in a food serving environment.

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I didn't say they should wear the same gloves all day. In fact, gloves are not a legal requirement in food establishments. But people serving food in fast food places often wear gloves. Food standards agency advice is to change gloves between different tasks, wash hands after removing gloves, don't do tasks that don't involve food while wearing gloves.

You get the idea, sensible precautions, including gloves.

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Originally Posted by The_Exile

Estimated close to 1 billion flu infections per year, mortality rate of under 0.01% = reported 500,000 - 750,000 deaths per year (severity varies from one flu season to the next). We know plenty about the flu, we can prepare for the flu season and do well with getting the strains sorted in the vaccination programmes.

Covid-19, looks to be spreading much easier as we've no immunity to it and obviously no vaccination programme in place, also sounds like if you catch it and have a good immune system then it doesn't floor you like flu does, but A LOT of people don't have great immune systems. However, we still know very little about it, so say a billion people end up contracting this (That's a little over 13% of the global population) with a 3.4% mortality rate = 34 million deaths. If we go a bit more conservative and say maybe only 500 million people get this (just under 7% of the global population), then that's 17 million worldwide deaths. If the mortality rate increases, which wouldn't be entirely surprising, then these numbers rise further and start looking like projected global war death rates.

I'm a type 1 diabetic, if I get a cold I'm ill for 3-4 weeks with it as my immune system is pretty terrible. I had flu once when I was 14, I was in hospital for just under 4 weeks in high dependency. With this virus being described by the Chinese authorities who've performed autopsies as being brutal and a cross between Pneumonia and Aids considering the strength of attacks on the lungs and immune system, I'm s****ing myself.

There's very little the 'world' can do to stop this IMO, it will rely on individuals playing it smart and strong leadership making and enforcing difficult decisions.

Edit: The 3.4% mortality rate is based on confirmed cases and current fatalities, there's still upwards of 40,000 ongoing cases, if some of those end up in fatalities, the mortality rate will increase.

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That mortality rate is almost certainly over stated. A lot of people who get it will never be diagnosed because they won’t get sick enough to go for testing. America is doing hardly any testing at all so they have less cases, but people still die so that makes the mortality rate look higher.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

That mortality rate is almost certainly over stated. A lot of people who get it will never be diagnosed because they won’t get sick enough to go for testing. America is doing hardly any testing at all so they have less cases, but people still die so that makes the mortality rate look higher.


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Could there not also be deaths which could/should be atrributed to the virus but aren't?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I didn't say they should wear the same gloves all day. In fact, gloves are not a legal requirement in food establishments. But people serving food in fast food places often wear gloves. Food standards agency advice is to change gloves between different tasks, wash hands after removing gloves, don't do tasks that don't involve food while wearing gloves.

You get the idea, sensible precautions, including gloves.

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Yes I am aware in fact I am something of an expert on food hygiene, I thought you were suggesting they wear one pair of gloves continuously.