Formula 1

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Originally Posted by Bangkok Hibby

My point was made back on page 6. "The car makes the champion" Nice to see you're finally agreeing with me. A quick check shows in the 63 years since the constructors championship started the champion driver has raced for the winners 54 times

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I think it was more along the lines of if you are in the best car you can’t fail but be Champion ergo Hamilton is not really so great after all…maybe I’ve misconstrued your point? But if not I’m still not buying that view [emoji2957]

A champion will be in the best car most of the time but to be in the best car most of the time you tend to be champion material.

To be a champion many many times over you need more than just the best, or one of the best, car(s).

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Was wondering that myself but on the flip side of you wipe out in the sprint race then you massively impact your GP.

I’m not sure anyone quite knows how this will work but I’m minded to think that it’s a mistake linking the sprint race to the GP start positions for these very reasons.

If there is to be a sprint race (not sure I’m 100% on the concept) then it should be the opposite and jeopardy free in the sense that risks and adventure are encouraged rather than one mistake compromising your ability to influence the main event.

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We’ve not got long to find out.

I think that would have worked better at half the length with points for the top five drivers to make it worth more of a risk to send one.

Still enjoyed it though.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I think that would have worked better at half the length with points for the top five drivers to make it worth more of a risk to send one.

Still enjoyed it though.

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Pretty enjoyed that myself.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I think that would have worked better at half the length with points for the top five drivers to make it worth more of a risk to send one.

Still enjoyed it though.

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Longer sprints will not be sprints tho and as we saw today if you want flat out racing the tyres simply won’t last.

I think the distance was about right.

Might work better next year when the cars can follow a bit easier as really F1 just now is it set up for sprints hence why the main GP’s are often all about the pit stops and long strategy.

Was no disaster though and I’m sure it is much better for the crowds attending to get something meaningful across the 3 days.

Red Bull showing the best and worst of the sprint qualifying, you can either win yourself pole at the 2nd attempt or send yourself to the back of the pack.

That was a big shunt for Verstappen there, I think Hamilton will end up with a penalty for causing it.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

That was a big shunt for Verstappen there, I think Hamilton will end up with a penalty for causing it.

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I’m thinking racing incident but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a penalty here.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

I’m thinking racing incident but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a penalty here.

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Given the penalties handed out recently I think Hamilton will get one.

Was great to watch (not that it lasted long). Was fully expecting them to crash.

Fully expecting Tom Cruise at Easter Road on Thursday. He's been at every other main sporting event. 😁

I wouldn't have even tried that overtake in my racing game!

Well I have actually and it never works out!!

50/1 for Perez to win from the back, he did it last season. If Hamilton gets a penalty there could be a surprise winner, maybe Norris could get his first win.

An interesting afternoon ahead for Hamilton then, he’s going to have to go some to make up that penalty.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

An interesting afternoon ahead for Hamilton then, he’s going to have to go some to make up that penalty.

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Don't normally watch it but was channel hopping. Does the penalty mean Hamilton is effectively finishing about 9th as it stands?

I'd be expecting Hamilton to win by more than 10 seconds anyway

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Don't normally watch it but was channel hopping. Does the penalty mean Hamilton is effectively finishing about 9th as it stands?

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When he goes into the pits to change tyres his team will have to wait 10 seconds before they can touch his car.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

When he goes into the pits to change tyres his team will have to wait 10 seconds before they can touch his car.

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Thanks. Just heard that.

Hamilton catching hoping leclerc can hold on!

Another cracking Grand Prix, a great win for the crowd to enjoy.

Racing incident. There was a gap and both drivers guilty of not giving the other any concession whatsoever. The sort of move that Max has attempted since day one.

Being able to hear the team radio to the race director is great grassing each other up to the teacher!

It’s a tricky one agree it a racing incident 2 top driver not giving an inch a penalty was given so they must think Hamilton was at fault.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Another cracking Grand Prix, a great win for the crowd to enjoy.

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Brilliant race, the crowd add so much to the whole weekend.

Classless from Horner and Max post race.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Classless from Horner and Max post race.

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What did they say turned to tdf after he won

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Classless from Horner and Max post race.

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what bugs me about it is that Max has pulled these manoeuvres himself, and Horner has played the smug, smirking, ‘well you know that’s racing’ quote out. I’m no Hamilton fan per say, but there’s an element of ‘live by the sword, die by the sword’ to this for me

both of them could have avoided it, neither really tried to, and a high speed collision happened. In this instance max came off worst, very often he’s the one who sails out of it and gets the advantage

Verstappen appears to be well which is the important thing.

Slightly surprised by the venom that seems to be behind the Red Bull, owner/ ceo/ driver comments after the incident but they may be trying to generate a siege mentality.

Others have mentioned it already, both drivers had the opportunity to stop the contact, neither backed off.

Rest of the season could be interesting as I don’t see either backing off


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I'm surprised to see the Racing incident conclusion by some people, that was never on for Lewis and at 180 odd mph it was down right dangerous. If it had been a slower corner the dart up the inside is feasible but not there. The result of Max going to hospital tells you that. Outside of the UK narrative on Sky etc there seems to be a lot of anger towards the incident and I think the post race comments from Lewis fanned the flames a bit.

I like Hamilton and cheered him on to many of his titles but that's not on today I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I'm surprised to see the Racing incident conclusion by some people, that was never on for Lewis and at 180 odd mph it was down right dangerous. If it had been a slower corner the dart up the inside is feasible but not there. The result of Max going to hospital tells you that. Outside of the UK narrative on Sky etc there seems to be a lot of anger towards the incident and I think the post race comments from Lewis fanned the flames a bit.

I like Hamilton and cheered him on to many of his titles but that's not on today I'm afraid.

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I agree and so do stewards. I'm not sure a 10 second penalty 'for causing a collision' was appropriate.

But I never have thought 5/10 second penalties have been appropriate when the guilty party goes on to gain points while the victim is left floundering at the back of the pack, or worse.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I'm surprised to see the Racing incident conclusion by some people, that was never on for Lewis and at 180 odd mph it was down right dangerous. If it had been a slower corner the dart up the inside is feasible but not there. The result of Max going to hospital tells you that. Outside of the UK narrative on Sky etc there seems to be a lot of anger towards the incident and I think the post race comments from Lewis fanned the flames a bit.

I like Hamilton and cheered him on to many of his titles but that's not on today I'm afraid.

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At the point of turning in they were good as level, neither driver backed down and as such they made minor contact. At that speed that’s enough to put at least one off. The fact Lewis did not suffer damage shows it was nothing more than that.

Max needs to be smarter, if he played it less aggressive and let him through, worst case he’s still 25pts clear in a championship with the faster car. He’s not matured enough to make these decisions yet and as such Lewis is within ten and has a massive boost now.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I'm surprised to see the Racing incident conclusion by some people, that was never on for Lewis and at 180 odd mph it was down right dangerous. If it had been a slower corner the dart up the inside is feasible but not there. The result of Max going to hospital tells you that. Outside of the UK narrative on Sky etc there seems to be a lot of anger towards the incident and I think the post race comments from Lewis fanned the flames a bit.

I like Hamilton and cheered him on to many of his titles but that's not on today I'm afraid.

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It is a fundamentally dangerous sport.

The contact was avoidable and both drivers had a choice. This wasn’t a Schumacher or Senna wipeout, it was a kiss.

I like Verstappen but I would argue that he believes that the other driver will always back down. He pushes his machine to the limit and deserves to be leading the championship. As has been mentioned, with a 33 point lead he needs to play a smarter game.

I am sure that Hamilton lost the chance of a title by being too aggressive with Webber in his younger days. Winning championships is different to winning races.


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