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Be interesting to see what any enquiry has to say about the spread of Covid and any increase in deaths and infections as a result of Bozo & Sunak's Eat out to "help out" idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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That is a very very dangerous road to be going down. I was led to believe that the court was the ultimate arbiter in all things. Just like when Westminster took Holyrood to court recentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Hopefully taking back control of our long established independent court system will be as successful as taking back control of everything else Bozo was taking back control of.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Slippery slope towards totalitarianism if this one gets any momentum.
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Ehhh…eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Is that real though? Raaab's name is spelled wrongly.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
i vaguely remember reading an article with a quote from a tory spokesperson that they were raging a judge chose the side of Joanna cherry and, i think Gina millar ? anyway, they were going to be making inroads in wanting more 'government friendly' judges, ala what Trump had started doing in America, this has only been stalled due to all the s**tfest that has been happening during 20/21Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
:greengrin i'll hae a week search on the google thingy and look for any quotes, it came from fb so quite possibly..........true :)
Reigning in judicial review was in their manifesto in 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I suppose Parliament holds that position in that if Westminster lost in the recent case you mentioned then they could go back to Parliament and try to vote through a change in the law to suit. What Raaaab is suggesting is a single Government minister can change or at least overule the decision of the Judge without Parliaments involvement. That's just mental when you think of some of the things they would be capable of.
It's ironic that a government representing and empowered by anti-eastern European xenophobia is going The Full Poland.
i do enjoy listening to George Monbiot, and not just because he thinks this country would be mad not to vote for independence, he's spot on in this video from several months ago when he mentions the craziness of why people are getting hurt but they still vote for this Tory Government=media propaganda, iirc it's something like 80% of the press is owned by Tories, even worse is state TV is now under total control of the Tories.
How Britain Could Become a Failed State | George Monbiot (doubledown.news)
The Nasty party, and it's because, as Nige and Baz keep telling everyone in the pub, human rights, independent judiciary and fundamental freedom is why we don't have an empire anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Get no human right dun.
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at least 'some' good news today....finallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
screenshot on fb for the express as no one wants to click on it's link :)
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another source..
High Speed Rail 2 section CANCELLED as costs spiral out of control – Fast Sentinel (desertofvice.com)
This would be a major setback in Boris Johnson’s promise to deliver “levelling up” for the north of England.
The DfT has strongly denied “not true” and “false” claims from a whistleblower that the real cost of HS2 is now at least £160.6billion and could be as high as £200billion.
i'm sure Johnson will find another vanity project....or tory donors to give it to instead
By the time it gets cancelled the press will have turned the population against the project so much that it will be seen a a great victory.
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Bozo having a major project ***** a load of money, over run on nearly every front, consultants/donors fill their boots and it's never actually delivered?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Think Garden Bridge.....
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Turns out Johnson did save Xmas. His own.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
But at least his own family made a few million quid out of it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...2-11003930.amp
and the corruption continued...
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I know you like your cut and pastes from Facebook or wherever you get them from but they are often wrong. The one above for example, Nadim Zahawi has not been a director of that company for about 4 years. Also what is "£2.6M profit" from the NHS, what does that mean? The size of the contract, in which case it won't be profit, is it the profit the company made on the contract? Do you know? Maybe one of the financial experts we have on here can explain it?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Have a go by all means if there has been some dodgy goings on, maybe I am old fashioned but facts matter in the age of misinformation.
Have removed your perfectly reasonable points. But leaving in the above- that still stinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Government owned firm handed over £1m in contracts to firm with Tory MP as shareholder in pandemic | Daily Mail Online there's a stench around him and every single Tory cabinet member
i do love you defending the Tory government though for such a staunch liberal democrat, have you EVER criticised any of them, ANY ? you know so much about them
Out of interest where do you get all your screenshots from?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
It may well stink, if we knew what £2.6M profit out of the NHS actually meant.Quote:
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Originally Posted by James310
ermm why ? :confused:
go dougie ross...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upK8UO5Ae8
It means £2.6m going into the profits of the company rather that patient care.Quote:
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The typo in the name of the firm made it tricky to google for background until you noticed the mistake.Quote:
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The many, many, dodgy goings on have been happening for a number of years, and I've still to see the Tory apologists on here pull them up for it. They just abandon the threads as if it's not happening.
I'd suggest you follow these guys, who are actually holding the government to account in the courts, and it might help you understand why this thread is a constant leader in the Holy ground.
https://twitter.com/GoodLawProject
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e_iOSApp_Other
Tory Ministers up to their neck in it.
"Robust assurance processes" :faf: Probably Hancock's landlord chum assuring him he wouldn't have to pay for drinks ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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Tugendhat not happy with the performance of his Tory colleague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
I'm sure Raab will be along soon to tell us there's a bill being worked on that allows the government to override any investigation's conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://twitter.com/AlanBrownSNP/sta...60389708292109
This just about covers the Tory lies, although some Lib dems were involved back in 2014
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...e-hike-296163/
Levelling up by increasing NI contributions yet slashing taxes on bank profits?! Disgraceful!
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2021/10/22...es-guidelines/
Boris quotes edited because they breach the channels guidelines
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I tried to read that but it's just too confusing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Mash, Dave, tweets here, there and everywhere.
From another angle, he's increasing them from 27% to 28%. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by GRA
So he's definitely upping but it's deficient to the tune of levelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
That'll work on the side of a bus and some folk will even vote for it.
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not really a lot a normal thinking person can say to rees-mogg uttering total ****e...again, every single Tory tries to out-do the idiocy from each other, each member of Johnson's cabal will go down in the history books as the dumbest of dumb ****s ever to 'run' a Westminster Government and in hundreds of years time the public will want to know why they got voted in.
Jacob Rees-Mogg roasted for suggestion Tories don’t need masks in Commons because they ‘know each other’ (msn.com)
Jacob Rees-Mogg has left the world of politics reeling after he claimed ConservativeMPs do not need to wear masks in the House of Commons to curb the spread of coronavirus because they “know each other”.
https://twitter.com/ScotSecofState/s...73178100572166
Isn't it wonderful how the world just opens up when you give the Tories £150,000 donation.
#CORRUPTION
There is no democratic case for the union whatsoever. Other arguments are to be had, but this is a field nobody can defend. I'd like to see the yes side hammering Labour and the LibDems on this front. They don't offer any change at all.Quote:
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No detail whatsoever - which Scottish businesses are being pushed at India, what are the benefits and what do India get? These junkets chucking whisky and tartan around seem to happen a lot but who gets what?
https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/st...37904548237324
Questioning (and politely at that) MPs now seen as “abuse”
More than one MP now (guess which party) claiming to have been abused when the tweet that has been quoted is anything but, but instead them being held to account for their voting record and/or actions.
Considering this debate has been stoked with the murder of an MP, it’s sick.
I notice the uk government is raising the living wage to 9.50. The real living wage foundation recommended wage 9.50 already. I wonder if they will raise it, would seem daft to have companies advertising they are a real living wage employer if its the same
Is that the same thing as the minimum wage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
In Scotland that applied from April this year. They are just trying to catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Sort of, it's the min wage for 23+ year olds I think. Obviously under 23s don't get to live. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Having said that, even if just for 23+, it's amazing when the Tories actually do something right for once.
No the living wage for over 23s in Scotland is the same in England 8.91 it's rising in the budget to 9.50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The Real living wage is a recommended wage from a charity foundation that they say people need to live. They say its 9.50 and 10.80 in London
These numbers are now the same, I've never seen that before. Although the real living wage haven't increased there recommendation in about a year
Apologies, it was the real living wage I looked at. Teach me for being too left leaning 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I think it's deliberately confusing. I hope the real living wage foundation counter with a higher number now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
And the tories doing 1 good policy is like a delicious piece of sweetcorn in a massive turn, which is actually what you will also find right now in most of England's beaches and rivers
Cheers.Quote:
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Living wage is what used to be known as minimum wage until the government decided to try and confuse people. The real living wage is higher than thisQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Yip. Unless there is a legal requirement to pay it then it doesn’t really matter what level they set it at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
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No there is a legal requirement to pay the living wage which is going up to 9.50. There isn't for the real living wage although that's 9.50 so that is the legal minimum anyway. Thousands of companies try to pay the real living wage so hopefully they raise itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You have companies who sign up to be Real Living Wage employers, Diageo and GSK are two. They ensure everybody on their sites gets paid the RLW. Better if the just employed all the staff instead of contracting out jobs. Even worse is the RLW usually gets raised in November each year and the likes of WH Malcolm get away with raising it the following April because they get away with not implementing it for 6 months, that makes it half a RLW in my bookQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/statu...085121032?s=21
Listen to the end…
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He’s a f***ing idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
All perfectly in order I'm sure.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c7a09e17ff.jpg
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Careful now. If Owen finds out you've been abusing him on social media you'll likely be added to the list of people who caused his wife's death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
All you've got to do to avoid this sort of stuff is live off the day jobs very generous package and allowances..........Quote:
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Oh, and if you want clean hands over the awarding of contracts argue for a free, open and audited tendering process rather than expecting everyone to believe awarding contracts of this size arbitrarily to a business that pays an mp is okay. It's just beyond the pale but is a feature of Nasty Party Britain.
There were apparently existing suppliers who would have loved the chance to compete and deliver but this doesn't seem to have been the preferred option here.
Probably the same rigourous process that seen Matt Hancock's pub landlord win a contract as well.
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The shock is not that Paterson, Hancock and most/all of the rest of them are corrupt, as that's been obvious for a good while to everyone who's been paying attention, but that someone's at last being called out for it! Only now needs 10% of his constituents to call for his head and he's in proper trouble. Will they though? Why would they, when he's such a staunch Brexiter and Brexit's going so well? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
It's about how far many of the supporters of this sort of person, and the wider party are prepared to bend over / doff their caps deferentially, and there's a way to go I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Tories closing ranks for one of their own. The UK parliament is corrupt.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...65781628112897
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59143727
Yep, dont like how the rules caught one out, so change the rules, imagine there will be quite a few of those campaigning for change who have their snouts in similar troughs and don't fancy getting caught out.Quote:
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It’s absolutely astonishing. 3pm the vote is I believe. This Paterson character must have some dirt on someone…Quote:
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Guaranteed that Douglas Ross and the rest of the Scottish Tories vote for more corruption. There are people in Scotland who think this is good for Scotland and we can’t do any better.[emoji849]
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Angela Rayner made a good point today. When the Tory MP got away with any punishment for sexual harassment on a technicality, tories claimed there’s nothing they could do as they couldn’t change the rules. Now when one of their own is about to face the music they suddenly can change the rules.
It's as simple as that, a vote for or against corruption.Quote:
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She was absolutely brilliant at PMQs today. If it was a boxing match it'd have been a referee stoppage in round one.Quote:
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This gaslighting Govt in a nutshell.Quote:
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Mogg: "The suicide of his wife is a greater punishment any that a House of Commons committee could inflict".
Utterly despicable from Rees-Mogg.
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Amendment carried. Paid advocacy is no longer a banned practice.
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250 corrupt Tories. Who knew.Quote:
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250 corrupt Tories. Who knew.Quote:
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Will be interesting to see if Labour take part in the new committee. SNP have already said they won’t.
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Orwellian craziness. Terrible.
Angela Rayner shouldn't have apologised for calling the **** ****. They're lower than ****.
Corruption in plain sight. Shameful and shameless in equal measureQuote:
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Ridiculous thing to say by that wannabe Dickensian charlatanQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Anyone who thought that this Tory Government might be held to account for its sleaze and corruption is going to be very disappointed. They've just voted to change the rules on parliamentary conduct to save themselves. Any conduct committee will now be chaired by a tory with a majority of tory members on the committee. They've just made themselves judge and jury of parliamentary conduct.
What worries me is that if an MP from another party finds themselves in front of them. I suspect it won't take much.Quote:
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Mundell, Duguid, Bowie, and Lamont, all voted for the corruption to continue. They maybe want a bit of Owen Patterson's £9,000 a month lobbying cash. #corrupttory
Opposition MP's should troll the hell out if this.
Enter the House carrying those big "Golf Sale" signs, sandwhich boards with "DFS SOFA DISCOUNTS" on them and hand out flyers for the local Pizza Hut. It's legal now so what's to stop them?
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Even for the Tories this is something else. They've been in power for what, 11 years now? And only now do they decide they aren't happy with the Parliamentary standards process. Its a bit like with Dacre leading OFCOM. If you don't like the result, just change the goal posts.
The really scary thing is the press and English public don't give a toss. They won't lose a single vote over this.
They've set fire to the goalposts.Quote:
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Lucky we don't have that Corbyn bloke though, imagine the state of the country with him. [emoji848]
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I don't think the Government would have stooped to this if Paterson had just been a regular Tory MP. Reckon it's the fact that he's a staunch Brexiter - 'one of us' - that's been the clincher. Beyond pitiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Can we change the thread title to “openly corrupt *******s”?
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you really do have to laugh
If I ever commit a crime and end up in court, can I sit on the jury with my best mates too?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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:agree: it's appalling the depths at which british politics has now sunk, a new low...and most likely more to come
Are you as angry as this in real life? Wind it in man it's embarrassing.Quote:
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You keep waiting for the moment when the public say "that's quite enough" but it never comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm developing a special loathing for the subservient morons down South who will ensure that we continue down the slippery slope that goes with having a government who can act with impunity.
Starmer actually sounds angry about something. ‘Let’s call this what it is. Corruption’ he says. Good for him, more of it please.Quote:
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