Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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By putting the finances, and hence the future, of their clubs at risk?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

By putting the finances, and hence the future, of their clubs at risk?

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They'd have been doing that by voting yes and having large numbers of their fans walking away. They had a choice, they made the correct decision.

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.

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How are they voting "newco" out of the SPL when "newco" are not in the SPL ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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http://www.discogs.com/Marillion-Clu...s/master/16128

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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Deary me, that is desperate. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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Absolute pish.

Directors have a statutory duty to act in the best interests of the company. Not allowing Newco in to the SPL (as opposed to voting them out) will probably lose their companies some money in the short-term but voting them in will alienate their customer base and could fatally damage their company's long-term prospects. If a club was profit-oriented then there could conceivably be an argument (but still not a good one), but there would be no such thing as a Scottish football league if profit was the motive.

In any case, the complaint of directors in breach of their statutory duties can only come from the shareholders - there is not a club in Scotland other than Sevco 5088 (if they can be called a club) where the shareholders would raise such a complaint.

An irresponsible comment from a halfwit.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Absolute pish.

Directors have a statutory duty to act in the best interests of the company. Not allowing Newco in to the SPL (as opposed to voting them out) will probably lose their companies some money in the short-term but voting them in will alienate their customer base and could fatally damage their company's long-term prospects. If a club was profit-oriented then there could conceivably be an argument (but still not a good one), but there would be no such thing as a Scottish football league if profit was the motive.

In any case, the complaint of directors in breach of their statutory duties can only come from the shareholders - there is not a club in Scotland other than Sevco 5088 (if they can be called a club) where the shareholders would raise such a complaint.

An irresponsible comment from a halfwit.

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:agree: :top marks

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Absolute pish.

Directors have a statutory duty to act in the best interests of the company. Not allowing Newco in to the SPL (as opposed to voting them out) will probably lose their companies some money in the short-term but voting them in will alienate their customer base and could fatally damage their company's long-term prospects. If a club was profit-oriented then there could conceivably be an argument (but still not a good one), but there would be no such thing as a Scottish football league if profit was the motive.

In any case, the complaint of directors in breach of their statutory duties can only come from the shareholders - there is not a club in Scotland other than Sevco 5088 (if they can be called a club) where the shareholders would raise such a complaint.

An irresponsible comment from a halfwit.

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We can expect more of the same from Hun apologists over the coming months. We've had it for decades, after all. The sea change is that nobody is doing anything whatsoever other than laughing in disdain at this sort of pathetic nonsense.

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/stat...92749879709696

RFC in full self-destruct mode.

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Originally Posted by green glory

Not sure if it's been mentioned here yet. There's over on pieandbovril that Chick Dung's contract hasn't been renewed with the BBC. Probably due to the fact he's made an Emily Blunt of the whole sorry/ funny Rangers saga...................

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Let's hope Jim TRanger followfollows his china Chic.

Is this still planned? Not sure what the interest would be in a demo against "No to Newco", now that 6 clubs have said they will vote no. Would be good to keep momentum going to ensure Newco do end up in the 3rd though, and not in the first...but is that more for the SFL teams to decide now? Are SFL clubs even getting involved in this?

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Originally Posted by Baba O'riley

Is this still planned? Not sure what the interest would be in a demo against "No to Newco", now that 6 clubs have said they will vote no. Would be good to keep momentum going to ensure Newco do end up in the 3rd though, and not in the first...but is that more for the SFL teams to decide now? Are SFL clubs even getting involved in this?

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On the facebook page it says it's cancelled :confused:

Ah right; hadn't seen the FB page. cheers

never mind; Winchburgh galaday it is then on Saturday...

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Originally Posted by HibsMax

Maybe they could be punted to the First with no chance of promotion for a minimum of X years i.e., even if they win the league they are not allowed back into the SPL until they have served their time. That would still give Rangers a chance at both cups, just not chance of playing in the top flight for a couple of seasons.

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I've been saying for a while that this would work with a two year ban on promotion, equivalent to the time they would have spent in Divisions Two and Three.

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Originally Posted by Baba O'riley

Ah right; hadn't seen the FB page. cheers

never mind; Winchburgh galaday it is then on Saturday...

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No probs :aok: 'The demo planned for the 30th at all grounds against Newco in the SPL has been cancelled. Please inform anyone you know who planned to attend'.

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Originally Posted by green glory

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/stat...92749879709696

RFC in full self-destruct mode.

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Who will the next four be ???

Alan McGregor - Rumoured to be rejecting switch to newco
Neil Alexander - Out of contract
Scott Gallacher
Grant Adam

Defenders
Dorin Goian
Kirk Broadfoot
Sasa Papac - out of contract
Lee Wallace - Switching to newco
Steven Whittaker - rejected switch to newco
Carlos Bocanegra - rumoured to be rejecting switch to newco/on verge of signing for Toronto
Ross Perry
Chris Hegary - out of contract
Darren Cole - out of contract

Midfielders
Lee McCulloch - Rumoured to be switching to Newco
Maurice Edu
Steven Davis - rejected switch to newco
Alejandro Bedoya
John Fleck
Jamie Ness - rejected switch to newco
Salim Kerkar - out of contract
Kyle Hutton
Andrew Mitchell
Rhys McCabe - rejected switch to Newco
Robbie Crawford
Lewis MacLeod
Barry McKay
Juan Ortiz

Strikers
Kyle Lafferty - rejected switch to newco
Steven Naismith - rejected switch to newco
David Healy - out of contract
Andrew Little - out of contract
Sone Aluko - rejected switch to newco
Kane Hemmings

Davis away according to stv reporter

Davis away now too according to Twitter :greengrin

Surely this is the ideal time for ALL clubs , SPL, Div 1/2/3 , to STOP THINK AND ACT WISELY to ensure we have a " level playing field" and a fair share of revenue across ALL the clubs .
It is a once in a lifetime opportunity to rid ourselves of the massive problems Scottish football has had over the past ten /fifteen ( possibly longer ) years , let's not balls it up .

It's like big brother on fast forward ..

Alasdair Lamont ‏@BBCAlLamont

McGregor, Davis, Lafferty and Ness all object

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Originally Posted by The Sea-gull

Now that it looks like they have no chance of getting in the SPL we are getting Raith and Falkirk coming out and saying they will not vote them into the first division. I had never thought about it from this angle but a Newco Rangers would almost be assured promotion at the first attempt from the first division so any team voting them in would be effectively kissing good bye to their promotion hopes for the season though getting a couple of big gates in return. They'd get the big gates in two years if RFC end up in the third division so no real incentive there to turn down a chance of SPL football for a season.

Looking at the first division next season, it is one of these leagues where I would say almost every club apart from maybe Dumbarton and Cowdenbeath could put a reasonable case forward for a promotion chance. So maybe the Newco won't get many votes there either.

Anyone else think the whole thing is maybe a stitch up though?

Perhaps it has been agreed behind the scenes with the SPL, SFL and Sky that Rangers will go into Div 1. This way the SPL clubs probably only lose Rangers for a season but it allows them to look good in front of their fans with statements about integrity etc thus avoiding boycotts.

The SFL could be compensated by the SPL and Sky for effectively losing the chance of winning the title for one season by getting a TV deal for a season and a play off place for the second placed team. Sky lose out on old firm games probably only for a season but minimise the loss of Rangers supporting subscribers by showing their first division games by way of a one season TV deal with the first division.

I'm not saying this is happening or will happen but won't be surprised if some or all of it comes true.

I also feel the much talked about "SPL 2" is on the way, accelerated by the Rangers thing, where a TV deal for both divisions comes in and a play off between 2nd bottom SPL and 2nd top is put in place.

Hope they don't rush through any plans to reduce the size of the league to a league of 10 as at this moment in time we could do with out up to three teams being relegated from the SPL until we sort ourselves out a bit.

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I think this has been a pretty obvious plan B for both the SPL and Newco since the Oldco went bust.

***ake at this rate I'll be getting a game for them next season.

Can't understand why any certainly first team player would stay, unless they are a fully committed Rangers fan or a Steven Gerrard style 'shady characters on the phone implying bad things may happen' type situation!

If any of them do stay and stick it out in the Third Division, fair play to them in a way. I remember Di Livio staying with the new Fiorentina (the Florentina Viola due the naming issues currently being experienced by Sevco) for example.

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Originally Posted by Dalkeith

Davis away according to stv reporter

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The captain leading by example. Teammates : - Follow follow me.

"We don't do walking away" - "We do running away!"

Rats deserting a sinking ship :greengrin

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Originally Posted by ballengeich

The captain leading by example. Teammates : - Follow follow me.

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quote from follow follow before it was anounced
"captain is always the last to go"

Macgregor away as well according to ssn

Sevco now have next to ZERO value in transferred playing squad. Begs the question why bother TUPE as would be cheaper to start from scratch rather than at existing inflated contracts eg McCulloch @ £20k pw.

This story just keeps on giving:not worth:not worth

SPL = No

SFL = No

Glasgow Boys Clubs League = only option

:greengrin

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Originally Posted by LancashireHibby

I would suggest it's a big windfall indeed. There is precedent of concessions being abolished for such games to help cover costs, and the publicity in the local area would be great for those involved. In all honesty I'm cheating a little as I've been involved in non-league (both in the Conference and below) where games have been played against the likes of Carlisle, FC United and more recently Chester where the cash generated paid the bills for a number of months, something that isn't to be taken for granted. Yes, the policing costs were much less but even those aren't too big an issue as long as the SFA helps clubs to negotiate with the police to keep costs down.

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Fair play, I suppose it's money they wouldn't otherwise have received, but I do think some people are making rather more of this windfall than it maybe deserves.

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

"We don't do walking away" - "We do running away!"

Rats deserting a sinking ship :greengrin

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Macgregor away :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

'All my life's blood is slowly draining away,
And I fell that I'm weaker every day',

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showforum=1

The websites even left now :greengrin



Back now ..... need some entertainment tonight :)

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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Desperation ... if this were true, then the directors would also have been obliged to have a clause saying that neither of the old firm could be relegated from the SPL.

Follow Follow has crashed! lol

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Originally Posted by DarrenSQH

Follow Follow has crashed! lol

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Nope, it's bailed out along with most of the players :wink:

Bears den is an absolute hoot...

"Why is everyone surprised? Disappointed, yes.... Surprised, no.

If Davis, Naismith, Lafferty and co have all decided to leave, you can count on the likes of Boca, Goian etc to follow.

The club is going to have to start from the beginning. We are going to be left with a thread bare squad. The only signings we are going to make are jounrey men. This season is not about competing for titles, its about starting all over again.

Rangers will be strong again, but at this stage having a Rangers (In whatever form) in the most important thing."

Penny has dropped with this little genius !

No club, no history, no players, no league no money and ............... NO HOPE

Christ I am beginning to feel a tiny bit sorry or them.....

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Personally this would be my plan...

This season we are out of time as it is, the teams moving up are going to struggle to react in time, but so be it. As soon as possible a vote among the SFL clubs should be held. At this stage I would argue that 'Rangers' are not in a state to play in any league and it is starting to look like the SFL clubs know this too.

So let's assume 'Rangers' are out of it and another team takes the empty slot, so for our purposes lets say Spartans. The season carries on as normal.

For season 2013/14 league reconstruction kicks in, the leagues merge together, a 16 team top league, with two 14 team leagues below it, giving room for 2 more clubs to join the lowest division, which could well include new Rangers or they could find themselves in whatever pyramid structure that is created to exist below that. In addition the League Cup is reformated to include an initial regional group stage to increase the number of derby matches for media interest.

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Great minds think alike I've already started on this as part of the next survey and was going to float it for feedback then invite idea's on how to structure it question wise.

So my draft attached just so that when I float you don't think I'm nicking your ideas. :wink:


http://cl.ly/2k1q1X1B272V3U3S2l3M

Joking aside, everytime i think there luck must be due a turn BANG something else happens.

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Originally Posted by Col2

No club, no history, no players, no league no money and ............... NO HOPE

Christ I am beginning to feel a tiny bit sorry or them.....

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No, no your not.

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Originally Posted by Col2

No club, no history, no players, no league no money and ............... NO HOPE

Christ I am beginning to feel a tiny bit sorry or them.....

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I'm not :greengrin Keep the bad news coming! :party::banana:

do we have any young guys we could farm out to get a game ( provided SEVCO get in the SFL ), could be our nursery club.

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Originally Posted by SPL Fans Survey

Great minds think alike I've already started on this as part of the next survey and was going to float it for feedback then invite idea's on how to structure it question wise.

So my draft attached just so that when I float you don't think I'm nicking your ideas. :wink:


http://cl.ly/2k1q1X1B272V3U3S2l3M

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I like the look of that and 3 leagues of 16 - SPL 1,2 and 3 :aok:

Your next survey should be asking the punishment for Rangers / New Club - and what sanctions should they have - e.g points deduction / Euro ban / Transfer ban / Sir David Murray losing knighthood ( Sir Fred Goodwin lost his about the RBS carry on).

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

Bears den is an absolute hoot...

"Why is everyone surprised? Disappointed, yes.... Surprised, no.

If Davis, Naismith, Lafferty and co have all decided to leave, you can count on the likes of Boca, Goian etc to follow.

The club is going to have to start from the beginning. We are going to be left with a thread bare squad. The only signings we are going to make are jounrey men. This season is not about competing for titles, its about starting all over again.

Rangers will be strong again, but at this stage having a Rangers (In whatever form) in the most important thing."

Penny has dropped with this little genius !

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Does that mean they're now the thready bears?

:greengrin

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Originally Posted by S.sct

I think this has been a pretty obvious plan B for both the SPL and Newco since the Oldco went bust.

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Yep, and I believe the SFA and SPL are behind the plan to get Rangers into div 1. The SFL will be the stumbling block but I'm pretty sure some carrots will be dangled in front of the SFL clubs to incentivise them to vote Rangers into div 1.

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Yep, and I believe the SFA and SPL are behind the plan to get Rangers into div 1. The SFL will be the stumbling block but I'm pretty sure some carrots will be dangled in front of the SFL clubs to incentivise them to vote Rangers into div 1.

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On what do you base that view?

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

Desperation ... if this were true, then the directors would also have been obliged to have a clause saying that neither of the old firm could be relegated from the SPL.

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Did have some concerns about this, Something that was said at a meeting I attended!!! :wink:

Basically was that clubs would be premature in stating or prejudging the likely outcome regarding the Rangers situation.

Can't remember the exact words but had me thinking once clubs started stating their intentions.

Was it done deliberately to give them an escape route? ND has been very quiet recently. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Nailrod

"Going into admin and starting again with a sustainable financial model" is all very well for you, the Killie Board, and the clubs supporters. What about the local businesses who have supplied goods and services to Killie in good faith - many of which will be owned or run by supporters - whose bills won't be paid? Should they just have to take the hit and like it or lump it?

As another poster has pointed out, if it were not for the great good fortune we enjoyed with 'the golden generation", who brought us in about 12 million in transfer fees, we ourselves would be in a very difficult place. We were lucky enough to be able to sort out our financial problems with the minimum of off-field disruption.

Suppose we hadn't had that good fortune, and you were the owner of a small business who stood to lose your living, along with your employees, while Hibs "went into admin, and started again with a sustainable financial model" How cavalier would your talk be then?

I think some people on this board are overdosing on self-righteousness.

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A more accurate comparison would be if Hibs had developed those players and had decided NOT to sell them at or near top of their value. They could have decided to keep them for the duration of their contracts, gambled on achieving more success and generating more income on the pitch. If that had then failed to any great extent and the players left on Bosmans, then Hibs would have been completely stuffed.

Rangers, for they are the ones in difficulty now, always had the option of selling 4-5 players for (say) £20M, which would have gone a long way to clearing their debt or settling the big tax case. They chose instead to gamble everything on qualifying for the Champions League each year. They did it in some years but not enough to make the finances work, therefore the gamble failed. Why should they then get a free pass because they took the irresponsible decision and lost?

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Originally Posted by SPL Fans Survey

Great minds think alike I've already started on this as part of the next survey and was going to float it for feedback then invite idea's on how to structure it question wise.

So my draft attached just so that when I float you don't think I'm nicking your ideas. :wink:


http://cl.ly/2k1q1X1B272V3U3S2l3M

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Haha I'm happy for that idea to be stolen, ideally by the powers that be! :agree:

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Originally Posted by SPL Fans Survey

Great minds think alike I've already started on this as part of the next survey and was going to float it for feedback then invite idea's on how to structure it question wise.

So my draft attached just so that when I float you don't think I'm nicking your ideas. :wink:


http://cl.ly/2k1q1X1B272V3U3S2l3M

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Wow, just had a read over that and to be honest...its great. It looks so simple you dont know why someone has not figured it out before and with the geographical pots etc it would add extra interest in the games.

Out of interest how long did it take you to put that together?

Outdoing themselves on HunMedia:

"Something can't be right and it's the first time I genuinely fear for the club."

Really??????????? :shocked:

:lolrangers:

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Originally Posted by SPL Fans Survey

Did have some concerns about this, Something that was said at a meeting I attended!!! :wink:

Basically was that clubs would be premature in stating or prejudging the likely outcome regarding the Rangers situation.

Can't remember the exact words but had me thinking once clubs started stating their intentions.

Was it done deliberately to give them an escape route? ND has been very quiet recently. :dunno:

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It's complete nonsense. Only the shareholders could make a complaint, and the clubs ARE the shareholders. Even if (say) Killie made a complaint, the other clubs could defend with the argument that the league's business would have been weakened more by the loss of custom from their own fans leaving.

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

Wow, just had a read over that and to be honest...its great. It looks so simple you dont know why someone has not figured it out before and with the geographical pots etc it would add extra interest in the games.

Out of interest how long did it take you to put that together?

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Did that Saturday in a couple of hours though had been in my head for some time. TBH was the reason I started the site with that in mind until the Rangers story broke.

I have done a sheet explaining the reasoning etc but still needs some work.

Did it based on this years tables but with view to starting 2013/14 as I don't think Sevco will make this years league.

They're absolutely shell-shocked over on Samaritans.com. Quite a number are saying there's something fishy about the regularity and the 'doing it in pairs' approach of their desserting. Probably not, but, you know, there might just be something going on. By the end of the week all the players might re-unite and form the squad of a new 'newco' fronted by all the guys like, Murray, Kennedy and uncle Walter who were in the original bidding process. They'll buy out Green and somehow conive to get Rangers on some sort of even keel, ........................................... nah, what a load of nonsense. I'm even surprised at my own imagination:greengrin

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

David Roberts‏@thesportslawguyDirectors of SPL clubs could be in breach of thier statutory duties by voting #Rangers Newco out of the SPL.




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Dearie me, they arnae even in the SPL, mair scaremongering pish!

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Originally Posted by Jim44

They're absolutely shell-shocked over on Samaritans.com. Quite a number are saying there's something fishy about the regularity and the 'doing it in pairs' approach of their desserting. Probably not, but, you know, there might just be something going on. By the end of the week all the players might re-unite and form the squad of a new 'newco' fronted by all the guys like, Murray, Kennedy and uncle Walter who were in the original bidding process. They'll buy out Green and somehow conive to get Rangers on some sort of even keel, ........................................... nah, what a load of nonsense. I'm even surprised at my own imagination:greengrin

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I suspect it is the club drip feeding the names out. Can't imagine it really is a couple of players deciding every other day. I suspect everyone who has already decided they want out is out, but the info will be released slowly, to get the fans desensitised to the process, and give the players more media exposure each to help them in their quest for new clubs...

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Originally Posted by green glory

'All my life's blood is slowly draining away,
And I fell that I'm weaker every day',

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"Tell me why I had to be a Powerslave
I don't wanna die, I'm a god, why can't I live on?"

I think they'll be a great feeder club for some team (hopefully Hibs). All that raw talent after all the big earners have gone. They can keep the likes of Clubfoot though. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

The Old Firm have been trying to joing the English leagues for years but have consistently been told they aren't wanted, and that was when Rangers was a viable club. They would have to join the non-league set up, a demotion so deep they might never recover, and so isn't worth risking.

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Exactly. Why would an English league want to deal with Rangers right now? That club is a mess and the situation is not getting better.

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Originally Posted by Jonnyboy

On what do you base that view?

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When I say SPL, I mean ND and not necessarily the SPL clubs.

I was told by an SPL Chairman at the weekend, that a package was being 'negotiated'.

I think the supporter's campaign should shift from 'no Rangers in SPL' which is a done deal, to 'no Rangers in Div 1', before its too late and a deal is done.

I'm thinking there will be no Rangers playing football in league football next season. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

When I say SPL, I mean ND and not necessarily the SPL clubs.

I was told by an SPL Chairman at the weekend, that a package was being 'negotiated'.

I think the supporter's campaign should shift from 'no Rangers in SPL' which is a done deal, to 'no Rangers in Div 1', before its too late and a deal is done.

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Ah, gotcha :thumbsup:

Is ND not employed by the SPL which is in effect the member clubs through their chairmen? Or am I being naive? :greengrin

Agree re the Div 1 thing though :agree:

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I'm thinking there will be no Rangers playing football in league football next season. :thumbsup:

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Aw naw, huv Berwick gone bust tae? :wink:

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Originally Posted by McS****y

Fair play, I suppose it's money they wouldn't otherwise have received, but I do think some people are making rather more of this windfall than it maybe deserves.

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Depends on the angle, really. When people make the financial argument about what SPL clubs will lose out on, when you break it down in terms of extra PATG or season tickets I'd say it's very achievable, particularly with a more realistic chance of a competitive league/shot at Europe. From the SFL3 point of view, if they get Spartans then it's pretty much a like-for-like game, if they get NewHun then it will bring certain issues and almost rule them out of promotion for a year, but at least they will get a decent couple paydays while they're there.

OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

I like the look of that and 3 leagues of 16 - SPL 1,2 and 3 :aok:

Your next survey should be asking the punishment for Rangers / New Club - and what sanctions should they have - e.g points deduction / Euro ban / Transfer ban / Sir David Murray losing knighthood ( Sir Fred Goodwin lost his about the RBS carry on).

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I think with an ongoing polis investigation into the legality of the sale to Whyte, losing his knighthood is the least of David Murray's worries.

This really is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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So effectively CW owned Rangers but when he did the dirty deeds, from which Rangers prospered, it was nothing to do with Rangers. Absolute hogwash from a 'reporter' that should stick to playing with wee plastic building bricks

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Originally Posted by H18SVG

Thought it was a new institution? Have they lost their SPL status, name, players through liquidation but retained the hatred?

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I'm sure sectarianism, although it wasn't on the balance sheet, was transferred to the Newco.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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This is satire, yeah??

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

I'm sure sectarianism, although it wasn't on the balance sheet, was transferred to the Newco.

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:greengrin

Asset or liability Bob?

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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Who's David Leggat when he's at home?

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Originally Posted by Jonnyboy

:greengrin

Asset or liability Bob?

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Both no doubt. :greengrin

Well, I am involved with an SFL Club in my spare time and we have definitely had discussions along the same lines as Rod's "Sporting integrity is beyond purchase"...

We, the SFL Club - not Hibs, cold make a decent sum if we get two games against Newco, which could be very helpful...changes the landscape over the next few seasons, but it's not the correct thing to do.

We have been told to gear up for an EGM in five days time to push through a vote to allow Newco entry into SFL 1, in return for some compensation. No chance...!

Many other SFL Clubs will think the same and if 8 of the 29 reject Newco to both SFL 1 and 3 then there will be a beauty parade with the likes of Spartans and Cove Rangers.

Certainly, as a Director of a Football Club, I am more concerned about the possibility of Newco still having no financial guarantees and possible administration. I would rather have someone like Spartans who will pay their way honestly.

I doubt Newco will be in Scottish football next season at all...

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OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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does he completely overlook the main point- the huge debt and not paying their tax?!

Prolific and eloquant critic of the Rangers debacle and the succulent lamb syndrome of Weegie journalism, has apparently shot himself in the foot by Twittering a reference to the video of the 'walking away' John Greig/Ibrox disaster statue which has been doing the rounds (it's on this thread somewhere). He tried to apologise saying he was unaware of the significance of the statue but evidence has been found in the form of letters/emails/tweets which indicate that he knew full well what the statue represented. Pity, as his work on the Rangers saga. has been revealing and refreshing.

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sadly not.

even if this choob had a point, which he doesn't, I love how he completely forgets to mention that the cute wee teddy bears he luvs so much have been fielding players for over ten years with money due to the tax man. What a fanny!!

Nothing since may 2011 happened, aye you wish:greengrin

with 1st Div clubs already coming out this early and saying no to New Hun Company then it would appear they have little chance of gaining entry to that league. And there's no way they could go to div 2 as that would look a complete sham. HAS to be Div 3!

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Well, I am involved with an SFL Club in my spare time and we have definitely had discussions along the same lines as Rod's "Sporting integrity is beyond purchase"...

We, the SFL Club - not Hibs, cold make a decent sum if we get two games against Newco, which could be very helpful...changes the landscape over the next few seasons, but it's not the correct thing to do.

We have been told to gear up for an EGM in five days time to push through a vote to allow Newco entry into SFL 1, in return for some compensation. No chance...!

Many other SFL Clubs will think the same and if 8 of the 29 reject Newco to both SFL 1 and 3 then there will be a beauty parade with the likes of Spartans and Cove Rangers.

Certainly, as a Director of a Football Club, I am more concerned about the possibility of Newco still having no financial guarantees and possible administration. I would rather have someone like Spartans who will pay their way honestly.

I doubt Newco will be in Scottish football next season at all...

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Very reassuring, hope other SFL clubs do the same :thumbsup:

Maybe a question that has been answered somewhere, but how do these TUPE regulations relate to the contracts that are under investigation by the SPL/SFA/SFL?

If a player agrees to transfer over, does the newco fall into a catch 22 by possibly having a contract to honour that coul be found to be ileagal very shortly?

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a wee baldy bigot who is missing the envelope he used to get every month from SDM

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Maybe a question that has been answered somewhere, but how do these TUPE regulations relate to the contracts that are under investigation by the SPL/SFA/SFL?

If a player agrees to transfer over, does the newco fall into a catch 22 by possibly having a contract to honour that coul be found to be ileagal very shortly?

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I would assume the oldco would still be honouring these players second contracts no?:wink:

You mention Cove Rangers. If you take the name Sevco 5088 and swap letter for the numbers...
Sevco SOBB and put it all in an anagram machine the ONLY possible anagram is...
Bob's Coves. But who is Bob? :D

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Well, I am involved with an SFL Club in my spare time and we have definitely had discussions along the same lines as Rod's "Sporting integrity is beyond purchase"...

We, the SFL Club - not Hibs, cold make a decent sum if we get two games against Newco, which could be very helpful...changes the landscape over the next few seasons, but it's not the correct thing to do.

We have been told to gear up for an EGM in five days time to push through a vote to allow Newco entry into SFL 1, in return for some compensation. No chance...!

Many other SFL Clubs will think the same and if 8 of the 29 reject Newco to both SFL 1 and 3 then there will be a beauty parade with the likes of Spartans and Cove Rangers.

Certainly, as a Director of a Football Club, I am more concerned about the possibility of Newco still having no financial guarantees and possible administration. I would rather have someone like Spartans who will pay their way honestly.

I doubt Newco will be in Scottish football next season at all...

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with 1st Div clubs already coming out this early and saying no to New Hun Company then it would appear they have little chance of gaining entry to that league. And there's no way they could go to div 2 as that would look a complete sham. HAS to be Div 3!

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Have to be accepted into SFL 3. Not guaranteed that SFL Clubs will vote for that. I can see that getting rejected as well.

Margaret Gribbon of PFA Scotland lawyers Bridge Litigation says decision by players taken 'largely on footballing grounds'.She adds: "SPL Football appears highly unlikely and even 1st Division Football cannot be guaranteed in light of comments made today.' @BBCAlLamont 52 minutes ago


Anyone got any idea what these comments are????

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does he completely overlook the main point- the huge debt and not paying their tax?!

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Haha this is hilarious!

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Rangers will have owed HMRC nothing and there would have been no need to place them in administration. And without that period of administration, Rangers would not now be in the process of being liquidated. And as sure as night follows day, that means there would be no NewCo. It is so logical it would be laughable were others not be able to grasp its logic.

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I'm not sure how I could fail to follow the logic!

I keep on hearing now that this would be a decent 'compromise'.

Do courts 'compromise' with convicted rapists?

This stinks of the SPL chairman driving this. They say they have 'listened' to the fans but they are clearly lying if this is what their up to

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Maybe a question that has been answered somewhere, but how do these TUPE regulations relate to the contracts that are under investigation by the SPL/SFA/SFL? If a player agrees to transfer over, does the newco fall into a catch 22 by possibly having a contract to honour that coul be found to be ileagal very shortly?

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No I think the second contracts are the EBTs, which have surely been consigned to the bucket or bonfire. The contracts which are subject to TUPE are the straightforward contracts which pay the average Rangers players £25k a week.

This thread in the bears den amused me. Life goes on as normal for some!!

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ntry1060157488

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a wee baldy bigot who is missing the envelope he used to get every month from SDM

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On follow follow that article was described as an objective piece by an unbiased journalist. :hilarious

Grant Russell‏@STVGrantSouthampton have confirmed Anderlecht will replace Rangers as participants in their Markus Liebherr Memorial Cup pre-season competition

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsD...823701,00.html

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:hilarious

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Grant Russell‏@STVGrantSouthampton have confirmed Anderlecht will replace Rangers as participants in their Markus Liebherr Memorial Cup pre-season competition

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I hope they've all booked their buses with large non refundable deposits.:greengrin

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Margaret Gribbon of PFA Scotland lawyers Bridge Litigation says decision by players taken 'largely on footballing grounds'.She adds: "SPL Football appears highly unlikely and even 1st Division Football cannot be guaranteed in light of comments made today.' @BBCAlLamont 52 minutes ago


Anyone got any idea what these comments are????

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Raith Rovers and Falkirk have both made statements opposing league reconstruction that would place newHuns in the First Division.

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Raith Rovers and Falkirk have both made statements opposing league reconstruction that would place newHuns in the First Division.

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Oh yeah. Sorry.

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On follow follow that article was described as an objective piece by an unbiased journalist. :hilarious

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Some, actually most of the threads on there, are completely bonkers. They make Vlads ramblings look like those of a perfectly sane man.