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What do you think Hibs would have done had we been in their position?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
Brandon, Moore and Henderson.Quote:
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Assuming it's down to their Head Scout or that coach that stendel could trust, not sure of either of their namesQuote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Don't know about the scout but Andy Kirk for being trustworthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
When Hearts went into administration there were plenty of people in the media saying how it was so unfair on Hearts fans and that they were the victims. The reality is that not only did they allow it to happen, they revelled in the rediculous overspending that was clearly going to lead to them going bust. Instead of doing anything about it to protect their club they gloated, they mocked fans of opposing teams, despererately trying to pretend to be a big team, which they certainly were not (Champions League, Word Cup stars, mega stadium etc).
They are doing it all over again. Budge has been a disaster at Hearts. The fans should have already taken ownership of the club by now, removed her, hired a new manager and be preparing for the tough season ahead. Instead, the idea of pretending to be the big club is more important to them than the actual survival of the club. They don't deserve a football club.
Yep, that is a fact because it was me :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloucester Hibs
I thought it was very funny when they started off talking about boycotting other clubs and it reminded me very much of Sevco 2012 and their "blue pound". So I posted pretending to be foaming at the mouth and saying not one club would get my maroon pound. It stuck from then onwards and I was eventually barred from Kickback shortly after my 100th post. :na na:
quite funny how all the hearts fans are claiming we are in the ***** financially when it's clear as day that they are. Begging bowl, plastic cow and everything is out for them :greengrin
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They do appear to get a very sympathetic ride from the media But the level of bias now from some quarters with no criticism attached is beyond a joke Surely in the interests of balance they should at least attempt to have someone on point ing out the other side of the story and reminding people of Their perfect administration ( minus paying Thier dues to local businessQuote:
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They have been creaming themselves on Brokeback with the news that Dundee may be in financial trouble too.
And then the possible threat of legal action from DU/RR/CR has them in hissy fits again - have they spent Benny Factors money on toys so they have and endless supply to chuck out of their prams??
I see UEFA are advising European leagues that they have the option to remove promotion and relegation next season, as many leagues will be operating a reduced number of fixtures and finances for clubs in smaller leagues are likely to be challenging.
This would have the benefit of removing the financial risk of relegation to clubs in all divisions and allow leagues to get started this coming season.
This should be considered as an option in Scotland particularly given the mess the last few weeks has been (mainly due to Hearts) - simply ban promotion and relegation next season and allow everyone time to recover their finances within the league they are currently in. Would be particularly popular with most championship clubs given the reduction to 27 games next season. Would also be popular among Premiership clubs I'd imagine.
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You might want to read about Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers reaction to Hearts legal action.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
This is from the "other side" they are completely delusional. Someone needs to point out to them that they are in the championship !
There's Zero chance that they will kick us out of the league. The first thing that would happen is that Sky would tell them that the contract is torn-up, due to a material change, and here's our new offer. The Hearts games against the Arse cheeks and H1b5, at Tynecastle especially with it's atmosphere, are worth a lot of money.
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From the team that won`t be appearing in front of the Sky cameras this year (or maybe the year after too!)
It is for next season. I'm very much supportive of that. :greengrinQuote:
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That would be :top marks for the lolz.Quote:
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Ah, I didn't catch that. Yes that would be a fine idea indeed :faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Neil Doncaster's first job at UEFA :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
Seems fair to put a moratorium on promotions and relegations for 20/21. Gives all of the clubs, Hearts included, time to take stock and reset their squads and finances. Otherwise the Jambos could be looking at back to back relegations.
I’m fully supportive of this proposal.
Now that would be the cherry on the cake. SPFL you know it's the right thing to do, its UEFA guidance after all:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
I honestly would be laughing at this all through next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by NASAHIBS
On hands and knees praying for this to happen. Only for stability you know��Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
Edit: By the way I'm sure Tom English would support this as it helps clubs to recover financially.��
Doncaster is a very fast worker. He is only just in the door and he is booting the Jambos in the spuds already! I like his style. How ****ing hilarious would that be. Relegated, humiliated, laughed out of court, kept down for another year, keep on begging for cash, go tits up. Ah now that would be the icing on the cake
I said Karma wasn't finished with Heart of Midlothian yet
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Wonder when this guy will realise he’s got no Old Firm games or derbies to look forward to next season?
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It would require clubs putting self-interest aside and working together for the good of the game but - barring a few exceptions - I can see them doing that. Mr English will be delighted.
We would have gone down without a peep and got on with itQuote:
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Funny as it would be I don't actually agree with it. Promotion and relegation is all part of the game. Plus it would create a huge number of meaningless matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
If it has to go to a vote then I could see it going though because of how hated they now are.
Budge no doubt is right now licking her finger and holding it in the air to recalculate their claim and coming up with a new compensation figure of £30m.
Absolutely.......better off well out of this two donkey race in a madhouse SPFLQuote:
Originally Posted by Since452
They need at least that amount to finish off the bigliest bestest stand in the world 😇Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
The amount of absolute pish I spout over there that they agree with is mind-blowingQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Rangers, Armageddon.... all been said before by much much bigger clubs that wee Hearts. They're deluded.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
It’s for the good of Scottish footballQuote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
And certainly no fighting our corner from Sportsound et alQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
We absolutely 150% wouldnt have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
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Of course we would have argued but I don't think we would be chaining ourselves to the court gate's.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Just my tuppence and no different to what anyone else will have said but by God, its easy to hate Hearts. Being of the Green persuasion they are never going to be a club I would have a soft spot for.....but how many have to suffer neighbours like them? As a kid they tried to buy my club out of existence, they have grovelled at the feet of a criminal and even to this day i wonder how they avoided liquidation when he was found out. Now they wax lyrical about fighting for the good of Scottish football while taking a course of action that could end a number of smaller community clubs. I hate them!
At the very least they deserve to be temporarily suspended while this madness goes on, chucked out the Scottish cup and....should this still be going on when their season starts.....removed from the league completely. If Scottish football doesn't act against this menace we will all suffer long term.
Budge's last stand this will be called. She lost their confidence long long ago with her shambolic handling of the Levein situation and the stand re-build. They have a siege mentality so this diverts the attention from her giving her some time. The damage has been done and she will be shunned and forced out of the club, to be followed by some other incompetent overspending fool who will follow the blueprints of both Romanov and Budge causing them severe damage, they may never recover.
Whatever the outcome she is toast, she will not be around much longer. They will turn on her in such a vicious manner it will come as a complete surprise.
They are so demented on sickbag they don’t realise that it’s a UEFA recommendation and thinks it’s from the SPFL. Their fall from grace is going to be bloody marvellous to behold. Utter halfwits. I hope that some sensible jambos see the light before it’s too late but who will be brave enough to take on the mob. This is going to turn out better than I could possibly have imagined. I hope the sfa let them take it to court then the full weight of the Scottish football constitution will kick in then its which punishment is meted out. As Brucie would have said higher or lower. Put out the leagues or just the cups. It’s bloody hilarious now and a great watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
That would genuinely be hysterical if that happened. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by NASAHIBS
Good thinking, that would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
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Agreed and I don’t think it is the relegation on its own as such (forget all the unfair pash) it must surely be the financial hit so is it Armageddon down in Georgie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
But that would be so unfair on Hearts More Wrongs to Right for BudgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
You trying to push her over the Edge !!!!
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Just posted this on the "Legal Challenge" thread, but also relevant to this thread.
Good article by Graham Spiers in the Times - key comments below. It makes pleasing reading!
"This looks to me a classic case of “being seen to be doing something”, a scenario I have found recurring in football over the years, where club owners or principals have fans on their backs, clamouring for action."
"I don't blame Hearts for stance they are taking. But don't preach to others about the incestuous blight of "self interest" in Scottish football when this principle is exactly the one you are now applying yourself".
"I don't like to think of a Scottish top flight minus Hearts but one thing was a racing certainty from the months remaining of this season; the Jam Tarts were going down".
"When Stendel took over at Hearts in December, they were equal bottom beside St Johnstone and Hamilton Accies. Two wins in 14 attempts later, they were rock bottom, four points adrift".
"What was the answer to satisfy all? There wasn't one. It became impossible".
"I fear Hearts will have to take their medicine for poor decision-making, poor investment and a lack of effective governance from the top down (surely he doesn't mean Ann Budge, thought she was a shrewd business leader)".
"......but injustice is not the author of Hearts' fate. On the contrary, the club itself earned its demotion".
"Unfortunately, I think they face a painful season ahead. Once the exemplary story of Scottish football - Hearts, Budge, Craig Levein - this is a dream that has turned extremely sour".
Link below, but subscription required, which I don't have. I've read in the paper version.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...fate-rzjwmvh8l
Cracking. Can see why Spiers was removed from BBC Sports programmes.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Budge has monumentally ****ed up. They romped to promotion, finished third in first season back up with FOH money flowing in, sacked their manager when they were second in the league due to fan pressure after losing to Hibs in the cup again. Appointed Cathro, appointed Levein after letting him interview candidates before deciding he was the best choice. Signed basically a new squad of dross three seasons running. Forgot to order seats for the new stand. *****ed 20 million on the stand which looks a monstrosity and nothing like it's plans and is still not finished. Appointed Stendel when they were level on points at the bottom through fan pressure. He then went on to win three league games in 19 ending up 4 points adrift at the bottom, publicly humiliated their loyal captain Berra, dissspaered to Germany during the hectic Christmas period, came back and lost to Hibs at home. Threatened everyone with legal action during vote to end season then voted to end it herself. Preached about self interest of others while showing nothing but self interest. Made a hash of reconstruction talks and is doing the same with her legal case.
She has had a nightmare.
Has this already been commented on?
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budges-early-move-make-wage-cuts-put-hearts-ahead-game-2889955
“I have actually had a couple of other clubs speak to me and say ‘yeah, you made the hard decisions to start with, Ann, and maybe we should have done the same’.
Really Ann? Which clubs? If the rest aren't talking to you I'm guessing it's Partick and Stranraer?
Or did you just make that up? It reminds me of that interview with Tom English she did where she claimed another club had been given a grant but 'couldn't remember which one'. Doncaster later set her right ie it never happened.
Why don't journalists actually call her out on this sort of guff? eg Why didn't Moira Gordon ask which clubs have allegedly told her she was right? And why didn't Tom English question her vague recollection rather than just presenting her answer as fact?
I mentioned this on Twitter. It wasn’t the cuts she was criticised for, it was how she went about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Budge never got her 50% cuts. The players rebelled and all she got was up to 30% which were the relegation clauses so all she actually achieved was to implement them a month early saving about 60k/80k. This story has just been the usual Hearts BS narrative, the articles about it make out that it was out of the kindness of Budge's that she didn't take the full 50%Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
https://www.theedinburghreporter.co....n-30-wage-cut/
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I’m still going to stick my head above the parapet and say that I think I reconstruction will be back on the agenda this week. I’ll stand by my earlier statements, which have never changed, that I think we’ll be dining out at the big table when the new league campaign kicks off.
Oh well. That'll be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
And there`s more, as a crap Irish comedian used to say:
I understand people are wary to believe anything I post and that’s fine. We all have opinions TJ. My info is only wrong if we end up in the championship next season. If we are indeed at the top table then it’ll have been right all along. I said there would be many highs and many lows, many twists and many turns. Lots of back stabbing, underhand tactics and skullduggery aplenty....and there is and there has been. This isn’t over yet and in time I’m sure I’ll be proved that I wasn’t a slavering erse and neither were the sources. So In essence, I’ll leave the posting for now except for the few people I’ve been sending pm’s to and a few trusted pals.
As for the 16 who voted ‘for’ reconstruction then I can tell you that it was a surprise to all and sundry. Everyone on here, the media and all the journos, and last but not least Neil Doncaster himself. I’m sure he’s going to have another large phone bill by the time Wednesday comes around 😉.
And for anyone asking or thinking of asking about ice....I’ve had to go out and buy more champagne.
Have a nice Saturday evening fellow jambos 🥂
I look forward to the SPFL bringing reconstruction back to the table merely a week after they said that was the end of reconstruction for next season. They’ll probably use their executive powers or something which will ensure Hearts are the biggest bestest team around. Champagne all round lads.
I have to refill the ice bucket ?! Ok Saughton Prince !Quote:
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Has he been right about anything.....ever?Quote:
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What a roaster, stay on his case Steve he will be left very embarrassed once again very soon.
He's relentless I'll say that! As for his statements which have never changed, his 10-2 in favour of reconstruction, with only us & Ross C against, turned out to be 3-9, just a tad off there. Then of course there were the fabled executive powers which seem to have completely flown from his memory. Still, as long as he can get ice!! 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Appointing her brother, whose company builds extensions and conservatories, to project manage a £20m new stand is my favourite bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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"My info is only wrong if we end up in the championship next season. If we are indeed at the top table then it’ll have been right all along" ie I haven`t a clue as to what is going on but I like you muppets hanging on every word I typeQuote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
That's like mediums who get 100 things wrong and point to the one thing that they lucked out on as proof that they can speak to the dead.Quote:
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steve, another complete walloper to keep an eye on - hagar the horrible - what a deluded Duncan roaster!!!
Undercover Hibby. Got to be. Been trolling them and getting their hopes up for weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Absolutely not - I know who he is and what his building company is. Probably thinks he`s a hotshot because he can get access to the Directors Box occasionally. They are probably thinking, is that the bloke who has come to finish the stadium?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Sounds like he'll have a lot of unopened champagne and puddles of water from all that melted ice too :greengrin bit like the Media section of their new stand :na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Does it get more tin-pot than having champagne on ice for finishing bottom of the league?
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Originally Posted by G B Young
She’s such a self-regarding fool.
She’s had such an awful year, you’d think she’d give up bragging to journalists about how other football chairmen keep saying nice things to her.
It`s OK, her ego will drag the Fartz deep down into the doo-dooQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I think that famous photo with her tartan girdle on, her arms stretched piously aside with that ****ing daft look on her face, told all of us what was coming from this balloon of a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Yep, he was right about folk calling him a slavering erse. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
I wonder at what point do the Hertz fans start to realise that the key people to blame for their current predicament is Ann Budge and Craig Levein.
As Graham Spier wrote yesterday "I fear Hearts will have to take their medicine for poor decision-making, poor investment and a lack of effective governance from the top down" and "......but injustice is not the author of Hearts' fate. On the contrary, the club itself earned its demotion".
It's actually quite pleasing that the real culprits seem to be getting away with it and one will still be around next season too.
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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Well, it simply beggars belief that Spiers would use such a shocking phrase as ‘take your medicine’ when discussing Hearts expulsion from the top flight.
All they ever wanted was to make sure that no club was financially penalised by Covid 19, sorry, I mean no club was adversely penalised, sorry no that’s not right either... all they wanted was fairness, ie to make sure Hearts did not suffer relegation, and now The Times will go bankrupt as the loss of the Maroon pound will be keenly felt.
Hearts move to bring Robbie Neilson back Dundee United as manager to replace Daniel Stendel.
Full story coming on @MailSport
They are trying to get Mr Money spinning replay back for their Championship title hunt next season.
The fans will love that [emoji23]Quote:
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Somebody start that plane upQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
That will go down well
To be fair, the majority have said for a while that Nelson was hampered by Levein sitting on his shoulder.
Approach has been rejected. Can’t see him being desperate to go given he’s in the top division and has an owner willing to chuck his money about.
He recently signed a new contract, so would cost Hearts money to get himQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Wonder why they don't want Stendel, he keeps making noises that he's keen to be there next season even in the championship, another expensive experiment?
Imagine going to court to deprive Dundee Utd promotion to the top division then asking for permission to talk to their manager 😂
But they're about to get an £8m windfall surely. 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Stubbs had plenty joy out of Neilson in derbies. Long may that continue with jack ross
I'm amazed (thought I shouldn't be) that Budge is now being lauded as having been 'ahead of the game' in asking players to take a pay-cut. Does it never occur to these people that the circumstances at Hearts were just different to most clubs?
Hearts even admitted that the reason they were so desperate for players to take a pay-cut was because they pay much higher basic salaries.
When the season was suspended, Hibs automatically had reduced outgoings on players salaries, as there were no bonuses and appearance money during that time. That simply didn't apply at Hearts, because of their wage structure, which is one of the reasons they panicked and started threatening their players.
Hibs, Aberdeen and others engaged with players privately, behind the scenes. They waited to see what would transpire, and make further adjustments only when it was felt necessary.
Meanwhile, Hearts shouted their mouths off and tried to put pressure on their own employees, quoting obscure rules and inflated estimates of how much money they were down on what they had budgeted (they apparently were able to foresee reaching the SC semi finals and being drawn against Hibs).
Honestly, are people really impressed by their behaviour and the nonsense they've come out with?
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Haha! They could really do with some ITK posters on that board!Quote:
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So Hearts are after Robbie Neilson to return.
That will be the start of a new five year plan, in fact it will be the original 5 year plan right back to where it was before.
How unimaginative. But Budge isn’t a football person, wouldn’t know where to start to get a manager in. Had said she wanted a sporting director in first.
So she has woken up and reminisced about the good times in the championship and decided to try and get Neilson. Forgetting about the boring football, the terrible European games and of course the 2 nil up, money spinner and the subsequent plane with the anti Robbie messages.
Would anyone be surprised to hear Craig Levein slotting back in? It’s almost priceless. Neilson has been bankrolled this season and has a goal machine player. He has had some awful moments with United and was close to the bullet. Will be interesting to see if Neilson would move To that **** show.
Final point. Dundee United must absolutely hate Budge. Effectively trying to stop promotion for no other reason than self interest and now trying to pinch Utd manager!
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Thing is, they don’t seem to have a lot of love for himQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Presumably that's a sign that they've acquired being in the Championship then - otherwise Stendel's contract would still be in place.
All it tells me is they are accepting they are a Championship club.
I thought they were screaming poverty ? they are taking the p !
It’s a good appointment to be fair. Neilson is a good manager. Had they went for him instead of Stendall they would not have been relegated.
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What does this mean for the court case, if they win they are out of pockets for stendels contract, if they loose then his contract is terminated 🤔
Sounds like they've accepted their position as a championship club here. Maybe even agreed a small settlement fee with SPFL which both sides will paint as a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Togs91
Seems to be the DR reporting approach rejected, everyone else basically has it as a done deal.
From the Scotsman:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Hearts are close to bringing Robbie Neilson back to Tynecastle Park as manager and hope to confirm the appointment as soon as possible.
Talks with Dundee United over compensation are progressing and Neilson is prepared to rejoin his former club three and a half years since leaving for MK Dons.
Hearts manager Daniel Stendel is out of contract following the club’s relegation to the Championship and Neilson is now firm favourite to replace him.
The 39-year-old steered United to the Championship title last season and would be tasked with the same responsibility if his return to Hearts goes through.
Good move by them. He'll keep them in the Premier league,,,,,,,,, oh, hang on,,,,,,,