Rugby

it's been a problem for years now why we just can't make more of these chances near the try line

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Originally Posted by Sylar

Of course, but Scotland rightly have a man advantage from the clear first half red and it's a different story.

France, Ireland and the Boks - all reffed to a different standard.

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Absolutely. We've both been clear on this for a while. Cheating.

8th visit to the 22 and yet again no score. Standard under townsend. Time to go.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

Of course, but Scotland rightly have a man advantage from the clear first half red and it's a different story.

France, Ireland and the Boks - all reffed to a different standard.

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Id argue the main issue is great teams dont make multiple mistakes that theScots do, Finn Russell tries an offload that was never on= 7 points the other way. France dont do that.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

it's been a problem for years now why we just can't make more of these chances near the try line

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Its the refs fault apparently.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Its the refs fault apparently.

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aye him anaw






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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Its the refs fault apparently.

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Clearly the red card is a huge game changing decision

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Clearly the red card is a huge game changing decision

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not really tbf, France would be allowed to bring on another player after 20 mins


it's the player that gets punished now not the team, i do agree with that new rule

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Clearly the red card is a huge game changing decision

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Of course it is, someone being facetious for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Why cheerio? Some of Scotlands rugby has been the best i have ever seen

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Because we're not progressing. If anything, we're starting to go backwards again...we can't compete with Ireland or Ireland...England game was close, but even against Wales and Italy we had large spells of totally switching off. Ill discipline a constant issue, poor decision making, star players making stupid mistakes...Townsend has developed us but I don't see us continuing to develop. He'd leave with my best wishes, but if we want to seriously compete against the big nations, change is needed. As I said in a longer earlier post though, that change isn't going to come from replacing 1 man. The entire rugby setup in Scotland needs an overhaul for the future.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Id argue the main issue is great teams dont make multiple mistakes that theScots do, Finn Russell tries an offload that was never on= 7 points the other way. France dont do that.

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Oh, no arguments (see above). But if Carley and the TMO get that decision correct today, playing against 14 men (as it should have been) puts France on a back foot, theoretically tires them easier. It's at least a closer contest.

The lack of clinical finishing, mistakes, ill discipline and poor decision making has cost us today, not the referee. But it's a massive factor in the margin of victory IMO.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

not really tbf, France would be allowed to bring on another player after 20 mins


it's the player that gets punished now not the team, i do agree with that new rule

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Re cards can still be permanent.

Player “speared”……player hammered with no arm tackle…..wtf????

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Originally Posted by Sylar

Because we're not progressing. If anything, we're starting to go backwards again...we can't compete with Ireland or Ireland...England game was close, but even against Wales and Italy we had large spells of totally switching off. Ill discipline a constant issue, poor decision making, star players making stupid mistakes...Townsend has developed us but I don't see us continuing to develop. He'd leave with my best wishes, but if we want to seriously compete against the big nations, change is needed. As I said in a longer earlier post though, that change isn't going to come from replacing 1 man. The entire rugby setup in Scotland needs an overhaul for the future.



Oh, no arguments (see above). But if Carley and the TMO get that decision correct today, playing against 14 men (as it should have been) puts France on a back foot, theoretically tires them easier. It's at least a closer contest.

The lack of clinical finishing, mistakes, ill discipline and poor decision making has cost us today, not the referee. But it's a massive factor in the margin of victory IMO.

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A tip tackle and tackle without arms are usually automatic yellows as well, yet the ref just gives a basic penalty for each

Ach well, at least England didn’t win.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

Re cards can still be permanent.

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the player will take no further part but a replacement will come on to make the numbers even again

it's the new rule

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

the player will take no further part but a replacement will come on

it's the new rule

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No, there is still an option for a permanent red card to be issued.

The 20 minute red card is a new thing for this year, but under the correct circumstances, the referee or bunker can still permanently reduce a side to 14.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

No, there is still an option for a permanent red card to be issued.

The 20 minute red card is a new thing for this year, but under the correct circumstances, the referee or bunker can still permanently reduce a side to 14.

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Mmmm i should read the full article
What is a 20-minute red card? How new rugby law works in Six Nations


i see the French and Irish are against it


p.s. apols Jones28

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Originally Posted by Jones28

Ach well, at least England didn’t win.

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i would have been more peeved that even had we won we still wouldn't have moved up a place :(

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:sauzee:

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Had France -18.5 on the handicap 🤭 Had Ireland on the handicap too but, can't complain too much.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

Had France -18.5 on the handicap 🤭 Had Ireland on the handicap too but, can't complain too much.

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Profite ton gain :aok:

That was one of the worst ref and TMO performances I have seen in Rugby, thought they were looking for excuses not to make it a straight red. The French Co commentator said the Scottish player was at it, Unbelievable!
And we thought VAR and referees were bad in football.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Mmmm i should read the full article
What is a 20-minute red card? How new rugby law works in Six Nations


i see the French and Irish are against it


p.s. apols Jones28

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The 20-min red card is for "technical offences" ie during play, where there was no intent to harm. The whistle had gone a good 2 seconds before the assault on White. It therefore couldn't be a 20-minute red card coming as it did when the ball was dead. The ref and bunker official bottled it 'cos it was either a yellow or a straight red, the latter IMO.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

The 20-min red card is for "technical offences" ie during play, where there was no intent to harm. The whistle had gone a good 2 seconds before the assault on White. It therefore couldn't be a 20-minute red card coming as it did when the ball was dead. The ref and bunker official bottled it 'cos it was either a yellow or a straight red, the latter IMO.

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Not seen Gaulthier out howling in the media like he was when it was his player on the receiving end. Much the same as most sports managers and coaches but the hypocrisy annoys me

Sorry but Townsend has to go. Hes had multiple chances. Get Franco Smith in and Townsend back to Glasgow if he wants.

The star players are nearing the end of their prime, it’s now or never and with Townsend in charge it’ll be the same again next year

It's been a disappointing tournament . Games have turned on poor descions made by match officials , but Scotlands inability to turn pressure into points has once again come back to haunt us . In other spots the coach/ manager carries the responsibility for performances and results so replacing Townsend will certainly be an option that will be considered , can't go on making the same tired excuses for not wining games

I see Mauvaka has predictably now been cited by World Rugby...

Refs and TMO need questioned here too - a citing now doesn't help us one bit, and all of them got it badly wrong over the space of about 12-15 minutes to look at it between the replays on screen and bunker review and STILL got it wrong.

It stinks.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

The 20-min red card is for "technical offences" ie during play, where there was no intent to harm. The whistle had gone a good 2 seconds before the assault on White. It therefore couldn't be a 20-minute red card coming as it did when the ball was dead. The ref and bunker official bottled it 'cos it was either a yellow or a straight red, the latter IMO.

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French hooker has now been formally cited and will face a 3-man disciplinary panel on Thursday. Not certain how that procedure works these days. I think there is an independent Citing Officer appointed to each match who has 48 hours to review incidents that he thinks MAY not have been dealt with appropriately by the match officials, which I presume must now include the official in the bunker.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

French hooker has now been formally cited and will face a 3-man disciplinary panel on Thursday. Not certain how that procedure works these days. I think there is an independent Citing Officer appointed to each match who has 48 hours to review incidents that he thinks MAY not have been dealt with appropriately by the match officials, which I presume must now include the official in the bunker.

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.....and he is given a 6-match ban, reduced to 3 matches because HE ADMITTED foul play and has a clean disciplinary record.
Presume the referee Matthew Carley and more crucially the bunker review official Ian Tempest will be obliged to undertake further training before officiating at Tier 1 level again.
Interestingly both are from England so I'm surprised they were even appointed given that the outcome of the France-Scotland match would determine whether or not England won the Championship. Could they perhaps subconsciously have erred on the side of caution for fear of being accused of favouring Scotland to facilitate an England win? Who knows, but surely for the last round of the 6NC, when the Championship is on the line, it should be entirely neutral officials i.e. from outwith the 6 Nations.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

.....and he is given a 6-match ban, reduced to 3 matches because HE ADMITTED foul play and has a clean disciplinary record.
Presume the referee Matthew Carley and more crucially the bunker review official Ian Tempest will be obliged to undertake further training before officiating at Tier 1 level again.
Interestingly both are from England so I'm surprised they were even appointed given that the outcome of the France-Scotland match would determine whether or not England won the Championship. Could they perhaps subconsciously have erred on the side of caution for fear of being accused of favouring Scotland to facilitate an England win? Who knows, but surely for the last round of the 6NC, when the Championship is on the line, it should be entirely neutral officials i.e. from outwith the 6 Nations.

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Yes very strange the officials were from England

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

.....and he is given a 6-match ban, reduced to 3 matches because HE ADMITTED foul play and has a clean disciplinary record.
Presume the referee Matthew Carley and more crucially the bunker review official Ian Tempest will be obliged to undertake further training before officiating at Tier 1 level again.
Interestingly both are from England so I'm surprised they were even appointed given that the outcome of the France-Scotland match would determine whether or not England won the Championship. Could they perhaps subconsciously have erred on the side of caution for fear of being accused of favouring Scotland to facilitate an England win? Who knows, but surely for the last round of the 6NC, when the Championship is on the line, it should be entirely neutral officials i.e. from outwith the 6 Nations.

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I get it’s how these things are done, but it’s easy to admit fault after the fact when your team has gotten the benefit of you not being punished correctly, especially when it means you’ll have a ban reduced.

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Originally Posted by McD

I get it’s how these things are done, but it’s easy to admit fault after the fact when your team has gotten the benefit of you not being punished correctly, especially when it means you’ll have a ban reduced.

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Yes pity he didn’t admit foul play at the time