Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

Look back through your posting regarding Celtic.

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That's not really an answer is it?

I want sevco nailed, I want the SFA and all who sail in her nailed, I want it acknowledged that our system is corrupt, has been corrupt for years and needs to be replaced, I want shot of everyone who thinks we can just carry on regardless, I really, really want our media to grow a collective pair.
Imagination, that's all it takes and I don't give a bxgger about any Celtic agenda; in this instance they are on the side of the goodies (ourselves and everyone else the rangers have been pxssing on for years). I've spent most of my life having to accept our footie is rigged, I don't want my grandson having to put up with it for the rest of his life as well.
he deserves better, we deserve better.
GG

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

In what way?

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I didn't realise that there is more than one way of being accurate or indeed of me thinking something is accurate.

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Originally Posted by Malthibby

I want sevco nailed, I want the SFA and all who sail in her nailed, I want it acknowledged that our system is corrupt, has been corrupt for years and needs to be replaced, I want shot of everyone who thinks we can just carry on regardless, I really, really want our media to grow a collective pair.
Imagination, that's all it takes and I don't give a bxgger about any Celtic agenda; in this instance they are on the side of the goodies (ourselves and everyone else the rangers have been pxssing on for years). I've spent most of my life having to accept our footie is rigged, I don't want my grandson having to put up with it for the rest of his life as well.
he deserves better, we deserve better.
GG

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:agree:

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

I didn't realise that there is more than one way of being accurate or indeed of me thinking something is accurate.

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There is more than one way of being accurate.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

That's not really an answer is it?

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In context wth incredulous, of course it is!

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

I don't recall narrow minded?

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parochial

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

parochial

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Limited outlook or scope? Perhaps looking past one club?

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

In context wth incredulous, of course it is!

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Actually it's not, my own posts don't make me incredulous so I'll need your assistance. :greengrin
You could easily quote the offending posts, I really didn't mind defending them or admitting I am wrong if required. It's usually the latter but you never know. :greengrin
So maybe you could try and highlight what it is in particular I have said about Celtic that makes you incredulous.

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Originally Posted by Malthibby

I want sevco nailed, I want the SFA and all who sail in her nailed, I want it acknowledged that our system is corrupt, has been corrupt for years and needs to be replaced, I want shot of everyone who thinks we can just carry on regardless, I really, really want our media to grow a collective pair.
Imagination, that's all it takes and I don't give a bxgger about any Celtic agenda; in this instance they are on the side of the goodies (ourselves and everyone else the rangers have been pxssing on for years). I've spent most of my life having to accept our footie is rigged, I don't want my grandson having to put up with it for the rest of his life as well.
he deserves better, we deserve better.
GG

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Brilliant.



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Originally Posted by MrSmith

Limited outlook or scope? Perhaps looking past one club?

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Many definitions to the word. Limited outlook, why would you look beyond your own?

I guess what I am not clear about is who (exactly) are the SFA? If they are representing the clubs how can they refuse to participate? Who employs Regan, Dickson et al and can the clubs not collectively tell them to participate or else bolt?

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

I guess what I am not clear about is who (exactly) are the SFA? If they are representing the clubs how can they refuse to participate? Who employs Regan, Dickson et al and can the clubs not collectively tell them to participate or else bolt?

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Its very likely most of the clubs do want to want to move on as seen by the Aberdeen chairman. Its the fans who will ultimately be the driving force of any change in Scottish football. The Celtic fans must have been piling on the pressure to its board. I'm all for the titles being stripped of which should have occurred at the first instance wherewith the SFA would not be in the absurd position its been drawn into by a desire to treat the fans like idiots with the transparently deceitful farcical 'Lord' Nimmo Smith cover up.

Even now at this very late stage it would be better for Scottish football if the SFA took responsibility for its actions with an apology for attempting to deceive and engage with the stripping of the titles as its the correct course of action to take and try to repair the damage done. If not its bound to fall with the main players like Regan disappearing in shame.

Its always the cover up that nails them as the true old cliches state.

The atmosphere at the governing bodies must be fraught with fear and tension just now but it didn't have to be that way if they had acted properly in the first instance.

Glory Glory.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362

Its very likely most of the clubs do want to want to move on as seen by the Aberdeen chairman. Its the fans who will ultimately be the driving force of any change in Scottish football. The Celtic fans must have been piling on the pressure to its board. I'm all for the titles being stripped of which should have occurred at the first instance wherewith the SFA would not be in the absurd position its been drawn into by a desire to treat the fans like idiots with the transparently deceitful farcical 'Lord' Nimmo Smith cover up.

Even now at this very late stage it would be better for Scottish football if the SFA took responsibility for its actions with an apology for attempting to deceive and engage with the stripping of the titles as its the correct course of action to take and try to repair the damage done. If not its bound to fall with the main players like Regan disappearing in shame.

Its always the cover up that nails them as the true old cliches state.

The atmosphere at the governing bodies must be fraught with fear and tension just now but it didn't have to be that way if they had acted properly in the first instance.

Glory Glory.

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Not sure that "most of the clubs" want to move on. It's the clubs (the SPFL) who have asked for the independent enquiry. They couldn't have come to that without a majority.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure that "most of the clubs" want to move on. It's the clubs (the SPFL) who have asked for the independent enquiry. They couldn't have come to that without a majority.

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Personally I think most of the clubs would like to move on as demonstrated from the Aberdeen chairman however its highly likely they're being pressured into taking a course of action in the form of an independent inquiry from the ordinary fans of whom are not buying into the no sporting advantage and imperfect registration findings.

If I'm wrong no problem mate its just my point of view.

Glory Glory.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

There seems now to be nobody in the game now saying that there is no evidence of cheating, just that having an enquiry will make them look bad. That's not really a defence at all and I can't see it lasting. I just don't see people moving on until the truth is heard.


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I remember, when this first happened in 2012, the majority of the SPL clubs chairmen/boards didn't appear to be in too much of a hurry to see the Hun punished until they got a warning from their own supporters and the likes of Turnbull Hutton voicing his opinion - and I can see the same thing having to happen again. Most chairmen/boards are just fixated on the money coming into their club but strangely don't seem to consider the long-term effect on our game if the Hun go un-punished - to me it looks like they've learnt nothing from then !

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure that "most of the clubs" want to move on. It's the clubs (the SPFL) who have asked for the independent enquiry. They couldn't have come to that without a majority.

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Just wanted to add that there's no-one more than me who wishes they had taken the decision to strip them of the titles when they should have. I have no pleasure whatsoever in seeing a governing body being dragged into the gutter. However the truth and correct moral path is far more important than saving what has become an immoral deceitful empire. I detest what the authorities have become when it perversely sets itself above justice.

I'm an admirer of your posts CropleyWasGod not looking at all to argue merely giving my opinion.

Glory Glory Sir.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure that "most of the clubs" want to move on. It's the clubs (the SPFL) who have asked for the independent enquiry. They couldn't have come to that without a majority.

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That's is what makes the SFA's refusal to agree to an enquiry look so odd to say the least. I suspect there will be one despite their statement.

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Many definitions to the word. Limited outlook, why would you look beyond your own?

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To get to the big picture and to put it right.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Actually it's not, my own posts don't make me incredulous so I'll need your assistance. :greengrin
You could easily quote the offending posts, I really didn't mind defending them or admitting I am wrong if required. It's usually the latter but you never know. :greengrin
So maybe you could try and highlight what it is in particular I have said about Celtic that makes you incredulous.

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You know where your posts are and the content in them. I'm not offended by your apparent dislike of Celtic and their singular agenda, I'm intrigued as to why you seem unable to agree with the actions of a club seeking justice?

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

You know where your posts are and the content in them. I'm not offended by your apparent dislike of Celtic and their singular agenda, I'm intrigued as to why you seem unable to agree with the actions of a club seeking justice?

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And again. Point put the specific posts where I criticised Celtic which left you incredulous. You seem unable to.

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Originally Posted by Malthibby

I want sevco nailed, I want the SFA and all who sail in her nailed, I want it acknowledged that our system is corrupt, has been corrupt for years and needs to be replaced, I want shot of everyone who thinks we can just carry on regardless, I really, really want our media to grow a collective pair.
Imagination, that's all it takes and I don't give a bxgger about any Celtic agenda; in this instance they are on the side of the goodies (ourselves and everyone else the rangers have been pxssing on for years). I've spent most of my life having to accept our footie is rigged, I don't want my grandson having to put up with it for the rest of his life as well.
he deserves better, we deserve better.
GG

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Oh yes indeed.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh_070362

Just wanted to add that there's no-one more than me who wishes they had taken the decision to strip them of the titles when they should have. I have no pleasure whatsoever in seeing a governing body being dragged into the gutter. However the truth and correct moral path is far more important than saving what has become an immoral deceitful empire. I detest what the authorities have become when it perversely sets itself above justice.

I'm an admirer of your posts CropleyWasGod not looking at all to argue merely giving my opinion.

Glory Glory Sir.

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That body lost its way a while back i doubt they will suddenly find their Moral Compass now unless forced to do so They weren't slow to Act after the Cup Final when The Rangers put them under pressure with lies and untruths , but that was sorted out in a reasonable timeframe
This has dragged on for so long ,and if it wasn't for this thread ,even i would have lost interest i suspect .
Their was talk immediately in the aftermath of Sevco being demoted of the need for a Fair Financial Framework for Clubs to work to so that Clubs couldn't gain advantage by living out with their means
Its no real surprise to me this hasn't been implemented ,as the Governing Bodies have known ,until The Rangers get back into the Group Stages of European Football ,and reform their Cartel with Celtic where they finish first and second every year ,they will need to spending well out with their means
Maybe i am just to Cynical though and its all in hand


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Originally Posted by marinello59

That's is what makes the SFA's refusal to agree to an enquiry look so odd to say the least. I suspect there will be one despite their statement.

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It's odd if there's nothing to hide.

The SFA's position certainly appears untenable, so we may get an enquiry, although based on previous experience they will probably try to influence it's scope and terms.

The fact that they are leaking letters to the press to try and isolate Celtic and distract from the real issues indicates they are not going to go down without a fight.

As for the other member clubs, maybe they want the enquiry for genuine reasons or are bowing to fan pressure: maybe they are paying lip service and hope that it all goes away with the SFA refusal. Who knows, but I would think twice about stickining my neck out too far and risking the wrath of the Hun hoards.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

And again. Point put the specific posts where I criticised Celtic which left you incredulous. You seem unable to.

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From 1300 onward.

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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

That body lost its way a while back i doubt they will suddenly find their Moral Compass now unless forced to do so They weren't slow to Act after the Cup Final when The Rangers put them under pressure with lies and untruths , but that was sorted out in a reasonable timeframe
This has dragged on for so long ,and if it wasn't for this thread ,even i would have lost interest i suspect .
Their was talk immediately in the aftermath of Sevco being demoted of the need for a Fair Financial Framework for Clubs to work to so that Clubs couldn't gain advantage by living out with their means
Its no real surprise to me this hasn't been implemented ,as the Governing Bodies have known ,until The Rangers get back into the Group Stages of European Football ,and reform their Cartel with Celtic where they finish first and second every year ,they will need to spending well out with their means
Maybe i am just to Cynical though and its all in hand

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No-one was demoted. :tsk tsk:

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

From 1300 onward.

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Yet again, point out the posts where my criticism of Celtic left you incredulous. You really do seem unable to do that.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Yet again, point out the posts where my criticism of Celtic left you incredulous. You really do seem unable to do that.

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no ta, you are right i am unable to.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Their "agenda" (and what our agenda should be) is driven by a justified sense of being aggrieved at having had to make sacrifices, staring down your own fans demanding that you splash the cash and watching your club suffer as a result, whilst those in charge of the club take the flak, all in the name of running a business sensibly, properly and ensuring that the club exists for years to come, whilst other clubs have taken shortcuts to success, having broken the rules along the way, failing to have been punished, failing to have co-operated honestly and openly with enquiries and bringing the whole game into disrepute. The people behind these misdeeds still hold positions of power at clubs and at the authorities - this fact is ridiculous and laughable.

The fans of their club, and ours, are buying tickets for a competition that has lost credibility in the eyes of the fans in terms of the consistency of how punishments for blatant rule-breaking are handed out.

There is only so long that a competition lacking in "sporting integrity" can be viable.

A proper, impartial investigation is required. We need to have confidence in the people running our game. We need ALL clubs to co-operate, to act with appropriate candour (i.e. it doesn't become a Celtic-minded witch hunt), we may need to punish individuals or organisations appropriately and we need to do it properly.

We need to know how financial chicanery on the scale carried out by Rangers will be punished if it carried out in future, and have confidence in the people in charge to do so.

Otherwise why shouldn't Celtic, Hibs or anyone else not just play the way Rangers 1872 RIP did?

Rangers fans should be as interested in this as anyone. They might win a league at some point in the future. If they do, they should want to take great pride in the salvation of their club from where it was to a position where it wins a tough, clean competition fair and square. Their insistence on keeping their tainted titles and refusal to co-operate with previous enquiries, generally defensive/aggressive nature and general bawbaggery makes this a difficult situation to envisage.



Then we need to move on.




(ps - we shouldn't be put off doing this by the fact that there probably are a good few foil-hatted, foaming-mouthed Celtic lunatics who are desperate to put the boot into their old rivals).

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Hits the nail on the head.

Make no mistake there will be action taken whatever the SFAwant. In some ways I welcome this decision as it removes control of thedirection of the enquiry from their hands.
Hopefully the action will be led by Celtic, and it lookslikely that this is their position. This would be best, if for no other reason,in that they have access to avenues such as the Court for Arbitration in Sportand UEFA which are unavailable to private individuals.
Even if Celtic back off a Judicial Reviewwill be sought and, if necessary crowdfunded, by Celtic supporters. It would beregrettable if this was allowed to be portrayed as Celtic alone questioning theSFA but there is a determination to see this through.

The question now is what side of the line are other SPFLclubs and supporters going to stand on. This has dragged on for too long andthis must be addressed now.

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

no ta, you are right i am unable to.

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:rolleyes:
I know.