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08-09-2017, 07:21 AM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

The facts are proving tricky to get to with this silence from Easter road. Fact is that Rod Petrie is on an 8 man board trying to stonewall an investigation into corruption in the game.

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You really need to stop whipping yourself in to an anti-Petrie frenzy. we don't know the facts yet.
08-09-2017, 07:33 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by green day

Actually that's your interpretation, not a fact.

It's not incumbent on RP or Hibs to make statements just because you demand it.

As Tom English said last night, the SFA were never going to agree the enquiry in this form as the SPFL is effectively putting all the blame on the SFA.

Not sure what information English has, but the SPFL letter to the SFA didn't specify the form of the enquiry. Indeed, they suggested that its form had still to be established.

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08-09-2017, 07:48 AM
johnbc70

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dc3916392a.jpg
Here is the letter the SPFL sent the SFA. It's perfectly reasonable and for the SFA to be refusing means they have something very big to hide.
I can't believe our chairman is in on this.

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I bet Doncaster sent that with his arm twisted. I know he represents the clubs, but I bet he was uncomfortable sending that letter.
08-09-2017, 07:49 AM
Ozyhibby

Rangers tax case has released Andrew Dicksons evidence to the FTT.
https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...ndrew-dickson/
This man is still employed by the SFA.

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08-09-2017, 07:50 AM
Deansy

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Originally Posted by Argylehibby

A board that may have voted 7 1 to do so. The one may feel that staying put and taking control when the flack ousts the current chairman and being better able to clean up the game. Until we know he's someone supporting the move on group isn't he entitled to be assumed innocent?

Which I hope is very much the case !.
08-09-2017, 07:51 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by green day

Actually that's your interpretation, not a fact.

It's not incumbent on RP or Hibs to make statements just because you demand it.

As Tom English said last night, the SFA were never going to agree the enquiry in this form as the SPFL is effectively putting all the blame on the SFA.

It's not an interpretation at all. It is a fact that he is on that board. And it is a fact that they are trying to stonewall this enquiry.

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08-09-2017, 07:53 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by marinello59

You really need to stop whipping yourself in to an anti-Petrie frenzy. we don't know the facts yet.

He is part of the SFA board which is trying to stop us getting to the facts. Fact.

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08-09-2017, 07:56 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by O'Rourke3

And the balance of the vote might be 7-1 with Rodders being the lone voice. Most committees operate on majority is presented as unanimous to show solidarity. If Rod's dirty, that will come out eventually and be dealt with one way or the other. Like many, I'm pre judging nothing.

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I'm not pre judging either. If he's clean, we'll find out soon when he comes out in favour of a full enquiry. Until then he has to take full responsibility for the statement released on behalf of the 8 man board he is on yesterday.

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08-09-2017, 08:00 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I'm not pre judging either. If he's clean, we'll find out soon when he comes out in favour of a full enquiry. Until then he has to take full responsibility for the statement released on behalf of the 8 man board he is on yesterday.

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He's also chair of a club which, as a member of the SPFL, has called for an independent enquiry. He has to take responsibility for that, too.
08-09-2017, 08:11 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He's also chair of a club which, as a member of the SPFL, has called for an independent enquiry. He has to take responsibility for that, too.

You forgot to end your post with "Fact".

I can't take it seriously otherwise. Fact.
08-09-2017, 08:12 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He's also chair of a club which, as a member of the SPFL, has called for an independent enquiry. He has to take responsibility for that, too.

Absolutely. All the clubs are on both sides here. If the clubs really want the SFA to participate then it will happen. The SFA is the clubs and that's why it's fair to hold our club to account.

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08-09-2017, 08:12 AM
green day

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Not sure what information English has, but the SPFL letter to the SFA didn't specify the form of the enquiry. Indeed, they suggested that its form had still to be established.

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Poorly worded by me regarding the form of any enquiry, which as you say still needs established.

What he was saying was that the SPFL letter almost gave the appearance that the SPFL were totally clean and were in effect pointing the finger at the SFA. Hence the SFA were never going to say "aye ok, lets open up the books".

I dont see that from the letter, but he may be privy to more confidential details.
08-09-2017, 08:14 AM
Ozyhibby

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...59a327f635.jpg
Andrew Dickson admitting side letters were removed from files before they were given to HMRC. That's when you move from tax avoidance to tax evasion.

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08-09-2017, 08:17 AM
Ozyhibby

https://www.lastditchtackle.com/blog...review-refusal

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08-09-2017, 08:19 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Absolutely. All the clubs are on both sides here. If the clubs really want the SFA to participate then it will happen. The SFA is the clubs and that's why it's fair to hold our club to account.

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My point is you can't hang RP for one thing, without recognising that he's part of the executioner's team as well.

The fact that the SFA have dug their heels in here, and that there is clear division between the 2 bodies, may actually be good for the process, IMO. A well-placed MSP, independent of either body, would be an appropriate person to get things moving. Would that Margo was still around....:rolleyes:
08-09-2017, 08:21 AM
Ozyhibby

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3cfea006e1.jpg

Dickson admits he drafted all the side letters.
This man still sits on the Sevco board and works for the SFA.

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08-09-2017, 08:32 AM
green day

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Absolutely. All the clubs are on both sides here. If the clubs really want the SFA to participate then it will happen. The SFA is the clubs and that's why it's fair to hold our club to account.

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Not entirely correct. The SFA includes the likes of lowland leagues, youth and juniors. SPFL is entirely different set of clubs with different ambitions.

Also, you cant go down the road of "SPFL good, SFA bad" here - the make up of the SFA main board which knocked back the SPFL letter includes SPFL reps;

(Alan McRae, President; Stewart Regan, Chief Executive; and Rod Petrie, Vice-President), plus Ralph Topping (SPFL), Michael Mulraney (SPFL), Tom Johnston (Scottish Junior FA) and independent non-executive directors, Barrie Jackson and Gary Hughes.
08-09-2017, 09:01 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by green day

Not entirely correct. The SFA includes the likes of lowland leagues, youth and juniors. SPFL is entirely different set of clubs with different ambitions.

Also, you cant go down the road of "SPFL good, SFA bad" here - the make up of the SFA main board which knocked back the SPFL letter includes SPFL reps;

(Alan McRae, President; Stewart Regan, Chief Executive; and Rod Petrie, Vice-President), plus Ralph Topping (SPFL), Michael Mulraney (SPFL), Tom Johnston (Scottish Junior FA) and independent non-executive directors, Barrie Jackson and Gary Hughes.

I'm definitely not going down the SPFL good, SFA bad root. As I said the clubs are on both sides here.
There was a small window of opportunity for our club to put itself on the right side here but I think that is rapidly closing.

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08-09-2017, 09:04 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by green day

Not entirely correct. The SFA includes the likes of lowland leagues, youth and juniors. SPFL is entirely different set of clubs with different ambitions.

Also, you cant go down the road of "SPFL good, SFA bad" here - the make up of the SFA main board which knocked back the SPFL letter includes SPFL reps;

(Alan McRae, President; Stewart Regan, Chief Executive; and Rod Petrie, Vice-President), plus Ralph Topping (SPFL), Michael Mulraney (SPFL), Tom Johnston (Scottish Junior FA) and independent non-executive directors, Barrie Jackson and Gary Hughes.

:agree:

We could spend hours trying to establish the differing agendas of that Board. The 2 extremes of "it happened. It's gone. Let's move on" and "haud on.We were cheated. Let's nail them" will exist, as well as some in-between. For now, the former rules, and any further analysis is fruitless.
08-09-2017, 10:22 AM
Ozyhibby

https://www.rangersobserver.com/news...gainst-rangers

Bit of balance. [emoji23]

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08-09-2017, 10:43 AM
Ozyhibby

https://thecelticblog.com/2017/09/bl...-consequences/

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08-09-2017, 10:50 AM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Which I hope is very much the case !.

Rod Petrie, whether he is up to his neck in it or not, in control of the SFA, shudder at the thought. It's been long enough since we last qualified as it is.
08-09-2017, 12:09 PM
Ozyhibby

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/sfa...medium=twitter

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08-09-2017, 12:09 PM
Ozyhibby

Still not a peep from Traceyhibs? Fans rep? [emoji23]

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08-09-2017, 12:26 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Still not a peep from Traceyhibs? Fans rep? [emoji23]

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You hounding her and calling her out is helpful isn't it.....
08-09-2017, 12:44 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

You hounding her and calling her out is helpful isn't it.....

I generally sympathise with the view that she's been left in a really difficult position. But total silence? Even just a statement to say the board has resolved not to make public comment would help.

Having a fans rep that doesn't talk to the fans is kind of pointless, no?
08-09-2017, 12:45 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I generally sympathise with the view that she's been left in a really difficult position. But total silence? Even just a statement to say the board has resolved not to make public comment would help.

Having a fans rep that doesn't talk to the fans is kind of pointless, no?

Especially since her election pitch was all about communicating with fans.

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08-09-2017, 01:42 PM
Ozyhibby

https://thecelticblog.com/2017/09/bl...porting-press/

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08-09-2017, 02:17 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://thecelticblog.com/2017/09/bl...porting-press/

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o/t That James Forrest is one boring ****, I can rarely get to the end of his waffle.
08-09-2017, 02:19 PM
Ozyhibby

Statement from Scottish Football supporters Association.
http://scottishfsa.org/national-fans...rnance-issues/

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