Hibs Women

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Originally Posted by The Harp

Yeah, you've got it spot on. The resources those two clubs have is much greater than the rest of the clubs put together.
Just as with their male equivalents they have an unfair advantage over the other clubs. The women's game is going to go the same way as the men's - totally dominated (and ruined) by the Glasgow duopoly.

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Perhaps I'm an optimist but, with some investment, the foundation, infrastructure, fan interest (it seems like we have more interest generally than most other clubs, up there with GCFC) is there to make Hibs a success again.

We have some really good players and it's making sure we retain a good squad and can add to it. The Old Firm have good squads but I don't think they are light years away, I think it's down to a few individuals.

Not sure how true it is but I heard a story about Lizzie Arnott saying if it wasn't for the FT offer from Rangers then she would have been open to a Hibs move

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

Perhaps I'm an optimist but, with some investment, the foundation, infrastructure, fan interest (it seems like we have more interest generally than most other clubs, up there with GCFC) is there to make Hibs a success again.

We have some really good players and it's making sure we retain a good squad and can add to it. The Old Firm have good squads but I don't think they are light years away, I think it's down to a few individuals.

Not sure how true it is but I heard a story about Lizzie Arnott saying if it wasn't for the FT offer from Rangers then she would have been open to a Hibs move

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The Old Firm can afford to spend £1m per season on their women's teams if they want and it wouldn't affect their men's teams which would still have similar budgets that are massively in excess of everyone else. If we spent a tenth of that, there would be an outcry from the less enlightened elements in our support that the money should have been spent on the men's team.

I'd be very surprised if we ever again sign someone who scores five goals in a cup final.

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

The Old Firm can afford to spend £1m per season on their women's teams if they want and it wouldn't affect their men's teams which would still have similar budgets that are massively in excess of everyone else. If we spent a tenth of that, there would be an outcry from the less enlightened elements in our support that the money should have been spent on the men's team.

I'd be very surprised if we ever again sign someone who scores five goals in a cup final.

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Yes, but Glasgow City are still up there and also don't have the resources that the Old Firm do.

I wouldn't consider myself an authority by any means, and I may well be wrong, but I would be surprised if the Old Firm were currently spending that, or were prepared to at the moment.

I agree some would bump their gums about the men not getting the money instead, but it's Ron's money and you and I understand it's not diverting anything from the men's team, so let them moan all they want.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Tbf Glasgow City are still holding their own.

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Glasgow City are being bankrolled by Hearts benefactor, his wife and daughter are on their board.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Glasgow City are being bankrolled by Hearts benefactor, his wife and daughter are on their board.

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They're also better coached than Hibs are.

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todays results..

Glasgow City 6 Hamilton 0
Aberdeen 1 Spartans 1....good result for Hibs
Motherwell 3 Partick thistle 3
Rangers 6 Hearts 0

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Glasgow City are being bankrolled by Hearts benefactor, his wife and daughter are on their board.

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What do you think is bankrolled? They aren’t a full time team and payments to players are negligible. They do get a lot of sponsorship in and have a huge amount of volunteers. Massively different to Rangers.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Glasgow City are being bankrolled by Hearts benefactor, his wife and daughter are on their board.

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Hearts have just announced that their womens team are to be come "semi professional" in a bid to bridge the gap to the other teams in the league.

Wonder who is - ultimately - paying for that, and if they are creating a conflict of interest for themselves?

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Originally Posted by green day

Hearts have just announced that their womens team are to be come "semi professional" in a bid to bridge the gap to the other teams in the league.

Wonder who is - ultimately - paying for that, and if they are creating a conflict of interest for themselves?

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It’s really all just words. Unless they are dumping half the squad the vast majority are at Uni / School.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

It’s really all just words. Unless they are dumping half the squad the vast majority are at Uni / School.

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:aok: Thanks, I did wonder if it was just the usual (i.e. Hearts bumming themselves up over nothing).

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Originally Posted by green day

:aok: Thanks, I did wonder if it was just the usual (i.e. Hearts bumming themselves up over nothing).

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They claimed they were putting 100k a year into the womens team in the last few years. Basically thats the rental for Oriam pitches, and some minor staff costs. They are also about to release a huge amount of kids in the next few weeks, despite there being months to go in the season.

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

Perhaps I'm an optimist but, with some investment, the foundation, infrastructure, fan interest (it seems like we have more interest generally than most other clubs, up there with GCFC) is there to make Hibs a success again.

We have some really good players and it's making sure we retain a good squad and can add to it. The Old Firm have good squads but I don't think they are light years away, I think it's down to a few individuals.

Not sure how true it is but I heard a story about Lizzie Arnott saying if it wasn't for the FT offer from Rangers then she would have been open to a Hibs move

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Aye the investment angle again, where is this coming from? The womens team still get one man and his dog along watching, unless the game is at Easter Road and free to get in.

The womens game needs to grow at its own pace, without affecting the mens game.

I think i have been here before.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Aye the investment angle again, where is this coming from? The womens team still get one man and his dog along watching, unless the game is at Easter Road and free to get in.

The womens game needs to grow at its own pace, without affecting the mens game.

I think i have been here before.:rolleyes:

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Speculate to accumulate. I agree it wont see bigger attendance for a while. We are a long way away from getting say 500 people going every week to womens games in Scotland. But without investment it wont get any better.

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Originally Posted by green day

Hearts have just announced that their womens team are to be come "semi professional" in a bid to bridge the gap to the other teams in the league.

Wonder who is - ultimately - paying for that, and if they are creating a conflict of interest for themselves?

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The same person who is pumping millions a year into the mens team!

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Aye the investment angle again, where is this coming from? The womens team still get one man and his dog along watching, unless the game is at Easter Road and free to get in.

The womens game needs to grow at its own pace, without affecting the mens game.

I think i have been here before.:rolleyes:

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Which it wouldn't do, as I said on a previous post. Nothing is getting taken away from the men's team. You have nothing to fear. If Ron, or someone else, wants to also invest in the women's team, that isn't taking from the men.

And yes, you have been here several times, we all know you have no interest in the women's team.

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

Which it wouldn't do, as I said on a previous post. Nothing is getting taken away from the men's team. You have nothing to fear. If Ron, or someone else, wants to also invest in the women's team, that isn't taking from the men.

And yes, you have been here several times, we all know you have no interest in the women's team.

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Where is this investment coming from, as i dont see many people queuing up in Scotland, yet they are throwing money at it in England?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Where is this investment coming from, as i dont see many people queuing up in Scotland, yet they are throwing money at it in England?

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Probably TV, as lots of games seem to be on
Also think the big clubs are funding it, loose change for them

Barcelona women beat Real Madrid women 5-2(agg 8-3) tonight in front of 91,553


quite astonishing

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Where is this investment coming from, as i dont see many people queuing up in Scotland, yet they are throwing money at it in England?

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I don't sit in on the development meetings for the club so I'm not privy to their funding opportunities.

But it's not outside the realms of possibility that people will want to invest, as it's a fast growing sport in this country, I wouldn't be surprised if our owner doesn't decide to put some of his money their way at some point.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Barcelona women beat Real Madrid women 5-2(agg 8-3) tonight in front of 91,553


quite astonishing

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not seen the games but I take it the goalies are still mince in the woman’s game.

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Originally Posted by eastterrace

not seen the games but I take it the goalies are still mince in the woman’s game.

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i didn't watch the game but i've saw them play before and i was reasonably impressed with the quality from the outfield players


keepers i would put under the 'could possibly probably maybe do a little wee bitty better' category :)

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Originally Posted by eastterrace

not seen the games but I take it the goalies are still mince in the woman’s game.

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The difference between the elite keepers such as Ellie Roebuck at Man City and the decent keepers is stark in the woman's game. Maybe still more so than the mens game. Although as we're well aware there are some absolute wage thieves in goal in the mens game...

However the general standard is becoming very technical. It's slower than the mens game but there's some excellent games.

I watch man utd women regularly and genuinely enjoy it. I watch it for the fact I enjoy it and I don't compare it to the mens game. I judge it for what it is.



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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

i didn't watch the game but i've saw them play before and i was reasonably impressed with the quality from the outfield players


keepers i would put under the 'could possibly probably maybe do a little wee bitty better' category :)

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Saw bits of both games last night some really good football and goals but yes some questionable goalkeeping in both games Bayern goalie got lobbed with a cross she should have done better with. Very watchable matches with great atmospheres in both games.

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Originally Posted by eastterrace

not seen the games but I take it the goalies are still mince in the woman’s game.

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Has there never been a 5-2 or 8-3 aggregate score in mens football?

Having said that I do wonder if they’d be better playing in slightly smaller goals - women in general are smaller than men so making them play in full size “mens” goals makes it a lot harder for the women.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Has there never been a 5-2 or 8-3 aggregate score in mens football?

Having said that I do wonder if they’d be better playing in slightly smaller goals - women in general are smaller than men so making them play in full size “mens” goals makes it a lot harder for the women.

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Agree the size of goal is definitely a factor. In saying that two brilliant games and atmospheres imo.

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

The difference between the elite keepers such as Ellie Roebuck at Man City and the decent keepers is stark in the woman's game. Maybe still more so than the mens game. Although as we're well aware there are some absolute wage thieves in goal in the mens game...

However the general standard is becoming very technical. It's slower than the mens game but there's some excellent games.

I watch man utd women regularly and genuinely enjoy it. I watch it for the fact I enjoy it and I don't compare it to the mens game. I judge it for what it is.



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Ellie roebuck is 5 foot 8, Gorum was 5,11 and was onecof the few under 6 foot. Maybe a slightly smaller goal would be better, although shots don't have the same speed in general so maybe evens out

The 92k attendance proves that if you build the product and market it well the people will come. Unfortunately the product in Scotland still isn’t great but that can only improve if there is some investment. That won’t come from Scottish parent teams. The fans won’t allow it. The clubs that have invested have provided a tiny percentage of their full year budget, and only Rangers are paying wages better than you’d get in KFC. So the womens game needs to work harder on getting someone to bankroll the development of the game. Oh and there is no need to make the goals smaller. At least it makes the chances of 0-0 remote.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Has there never been a 5-2 or 8-3 aggregate score in mens football?

Having said that I do wonder if they’d be better playing in slightly smaller goals - women in general are smaller than men so making them play in full size “mens” goals makes it a lot harder for the women.

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Goalkeepers were smaller in the men's game 50 years ago and the goals were the same size as they are now e.g. Ronnie Simpson was 5"10

They'll just work on their 'springs'.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

The 92k attendance proves that if you build the product and market it well the people will come. Unfortunately the product in Scotland still isn’t great but that can only improve if there is some investment. That won’t come from Scottish parent teams. The fans won’t allow it. The clubs that have invested have provided a tiny percentage of their full year budget, and only Rangers are paying wages better than you’d get in KFC. So the womens game needs to work harder on getting someone to bankroll the development of the game. Oh and there is no need to make the goals smaller. At least it makes the chances of 0-0 remote.

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What's your thoughts on the merger with the SPFL? Do you think it increases the chances of investment?

Is it a case that the SWPL had taken it as far as they could on the resources available?

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

What's your thoughts on the merger with the SPFL? Do you think it increases the chances of investment?

Is it a case that the SWPL had taken it as far as they could on the resources available?

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The SWPL was a bit of shambles. One man and a dog trying to run it.... the youth part of it is even worse. Hopefully the sharing of resources will help the senior game but the talk of a larger top league is worrying. You dont increase the quality of the product by putting in more teams that arent good enough for that level. Talk of making it a 12 /14 team league would be a disaster. The football in the 2nd div is truly awful stuff and if more of them come up we will see even more double figure score lines.

They need to bring back Colt (u21) teams into the 2nd Div. That way the best players continue to get coached by the best staff, and arent just pushed into lower league teams for game time. The NPL leagues at youth level are a disaster. Again far too many teams, and not enough players to fill them so you end up with none of the teams being top class.

In many ways its similar to the Mens game. Far too many football teams. So everything becomes too diluted.