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Originally Posted by Speedway
So we may have made agreements with players for them to become future employees but not asked them to sign anything? That's a risky change in policy and means that we haven't actually signed anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
I obviously then haven't understood your earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
Do the bits in bold not describe a pre-contract scenario? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
A pre-contract agreement is not the same as signing a contract which begins on a specified date, despite how similar they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
Anyway enough on the Yams Finances... Jonny Hayes are we after him or not?
Yup - apologies but the whole of his post is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Most teams have a basic wage plus add ons. Ie. appearances goals win bonus.
2.5 basic plus add ons bout right.
O and as fur Hayes. If he wants to come fine if he hums and haws and is after more money GTF. You either want to play for us or you don't.
I only want guys who want to give their all for Hibs. ENDOF
He has said on twitter he won't be signing for hibsQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_hfc3
It amazes me how many posters actually bring figures into their posts. Where does this information come from? I can't help thinking for example that the only people who know what James McPake has been offered are Petrie, Fenlon, the agent and Mr and Mrs McPake. Everyone else I imagine is simply making stuff up. Unless they claim to have a friend "in the know" of course. Ahem.....
I also doubt we've been in for him which is why he is so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piqué
Am amazed about how many player we are linked with that nothing ever comes out it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
The yams wages costs (excluding social security costs ) to June 2011 was £ 8,186,000 for 152 staff and, as the great majority are admins, ground staff and U/19's on not much more than the minimum, say average £ 20,000 for 136 of the staff would cost £3.65 million leaving £4.53 million to pay the remaining 16 high earners.
That would evenly divide into weekly wages of £ 5,445 each, but obviously some are higher and some are lower.
That is why I was banging on about Skacel's basic wage reported in his Court Case with his Agent as £ 3000 a week. I hope once the Forensic Accountants are finished with the Huns they will have time to inquire into the PBS Yamonomics.
I think that this is where the myth that so many players didn't/refused to come to hibs comes from as we can't be certain that we have ever approached them in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billychaotic182
Exactly, being interested in a player is not the same as making an offer or having talks. Being "interested" may just mean that an agent or a journo has asked if we are interested and we say yes he is one of the players on our list of players we are interested in and giving an approach some thought. Doesn't mean that approach is ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
May even sometimes just be that agents and journos find out we are looking for a winger, he is out of contract and 2 and 2 is put together.
I think there has been enough whispers and comments to say that we do/did have some sort of direct interest in JH but there doesn't seem to be any reports or quotes from the player, Hibs (though Hibs never comment pubically on players they are interested in), his agent or even media stating that he has had talks with us or any offer was made.
As aside, though I completely understand Hibs policy on not discussing signings before they are made, it would be nice once in a while to hear the manager say that he tried to get player X or player Y but was unable to agree terms. Not saying we need to hear about every failed deal but the odd bit of info would be decent. I think we could all accept that we are not going to land every target but it would good if we see some indication of the level of player we have at least thought about.
I can't think of a time when anyone connected with Hibs has commented about anything in that way. I'm not talking about the manager mouthing off all the time about players he is interested in like Jimmy Calderwood, Mark McGhee, Craig Brown and FJK do but a little bit of infor for fans and some transparency from the club would be good.
It is not like our hush hush policy has paid dividends in terms of gems being unearthed and massive coups being made in recent times.
Would love it if we managed to get the Lithuanian winger onboard! Spoke to a few people who have seen him play and hes ment to be a really decent player. I also like what ive saw myself from his youtube clips, fast and direct! We haven't had a proper winger at Easter Road for years! A few of the Bohemians lads who post on here were giving him rave reviews too if I recall. Heres hoping something happens with this one! :)
I dunno how good a player he is, but we definitely need more potential captains.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18sry
Thought he'd signed for ICT a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18sry
Aye duff info oops :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
Warren ready for Caley switch
Inverness manager Terry Butcher will start his rebuilding for next season by signing Newport County captain Gary Warren.
The 27-year-old defender is available on a free transfer after turning down a new contract offer at the English Conference club.
Warren was also a target for Cheltenham Town, but the centre-back has opted to make the switch to Caley Thistle instead.
Newport director football, Tim Harris reckons the move to the Highlands was too good for Warren to turn down.
"While we are disappointed for ourselves we are over the moon for Gary," Harris said.
"This is a huge move for him, to play in the top tier of Scottish football, and we feel proud of him after he's been such a colossal player for us over the years."
Paddy will still need to empty the last of the dross thats a good start though and id still expect more to get us properly motoring:pfgwaQuote:
Originally Posted by Doddie
Have to agree. Passed DG in Asda last year and couldnt believe he was an SPL player. Looked more like a lanky schoolboy (no offence meant).Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
I imaging hibs are doing things to change this as I remember an interview with Doyle and he said that the manager has made him hit the gym more to bulk up. I'd hope the same advice was giving to DGQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
If thats what you call lanky you must be 3 feet tall, last I seen him on George Street with a bird shopping he was small to average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
7 years ago we where giving about 2 grand a week, we have increased our wage bill every year since then, this is of course not a basic wage but the top end eg win bonuses, goal bonuses and appearance fees you have to consider these things when running a business like a football club, maybe black wasnt on as much but skacel was not a kick in the backside off 10 grand a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
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Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Can't see Black earning anything like that. Firstly, because he's not that good and secondly there's no chance he'd have been taking on painting jobs with an annual salary of over £1m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gez1875
Having said that, I've heard some stories (mainly on here) about jambo wages and the £35m+ debt has to be spent somewhere.
Crazy to think that top 4 premiership sides will have players on the bench that get paid more than our entire squad.
Johnny Hayes on Twitter: hopefully I can tell people tomorr!
Do you mean like our reported bid for Naismith when he was at Killie? Or Sheridan last summer who then went to St Johnstone?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sea-gull
Or Jim Goodwin who elected to stay at St Mirren in January?
I doubt very much black is on anywhere near 2k per week.... He's rocking about in a 9 year old 3 series Beemer, if he was earning 6k a month after deductions and such like I would suspect he would be driving something more desireable than a 7k BMW....
Black was on 10k a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman1875
I agree with your point in general, though perhaps, given last season and last 3 years in general, our squad might not be the best example to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_S
Some footballers dont do the whole cliched flash car thing. Zouma had a wee VW golf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman1875
Same ball park.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I wondered if maybe £2200 in year 1, £2400 in year 2 and £2600 in year 3.
Some clubs (including us) give a rise at the start of each season.
If the wages of their top earners are around £ 10,000 per month how do they rack up £ 8.5 million in wage costs ?
its not over 1 million pound though... its £500,000 a year, and i did concede that was not as much as 10 grand for black but defo for skacel...... my main argument was we offer well more than 2 grand a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_S
Not second time round, it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gez1875
No offence but you lost any chance of credibility with your initial post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gez1875
"i think we are able to offer beteween 4 and 6 thousand a player, and black and skacel would have been on i would imagine 10 grandish".
Ridiculous.
the problem with people like you is you dont want to hear these things because it doesnt comply with your opinion with our board and the money we pay on players, i did make a mistake and generalise my post and did take back the black statement, bottom line hearts pay well over the odds on players wages, thats why they cant afford to pay them now, there ticket sales which are in the millions and merchandise sales dont cover there players wages, thats why they cant pay them. we DO pay upto 6 grand on wages per week, so if hearts dwarf our wage bill what do they pay???Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
lost credibilty my arse!
I don't think the Naismith bid was ever publically spoken about by anyone employed by the club before, during or after it was made. If it was ever made at all. I vaguely remember, a few weeks after he was sacked, John Collins speaking about how he was one the players he had suggested to the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
Sheridan played as a trialist so it was fairly obvious we were considering signing him so public comment could not really be avoided.
Can't remember if what was said about Jim Goodwin by Hibs employees but the player himself stated publically that he had been for talks with Hibs so again no choice but to comment publically.
Has he made his decision yet? :cb
This Jambo player's on £3K a week. No he's not he's on £5K a week. Nah he's on £10K a week. Hibs pay £2K a week tops. Nah, they pay K4.5K a week plus bonuses.................. yada yada yada. I'm amazed, no, amused at the intimate knowledge of player's wages a lot of folk on this board have. :rolleyes:
When we first signed Rob Jones he was on £1500 per week with bonuses on top of it. My dad who was working at the time for a bank (not saying which one) dealt with his call and got a 2 week processing job done in 10 minutes for him. Obviously his wage would have increased each season to something a bit more deserving of a club captain. However I believe that we must be paying in the region of £2500 to £3000 for highest earners at the team, partly because of the financial report document that detailed all the clubs in the worlds money spent on wages.
Net or Gross? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
Be careful with what you post on the internet (if you don't mind my wee bit of advice!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
A few years ago we had a Hibee fan bank employee who literally released a number of Hibs salary payments to a world wide audience - and ended up in court!
I think it would have been Gross, he was earning £6000 a month, which equals £1500 a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Mate I dont think Hibs have paid 6k a week since the days of Latapy and Sauzee. When the Sky deal went tits up the first time round, they type of wages got reduced big time. No one knows the actual figures but its not hard to roughly work out what a player earns when you break down the x amount annual wage bill devided by x amounts of first team players. Obviously some will be higher than others. Think O'Connor and Stokes might have been the only 2 near 4k a week over the last 5 year, Deeks not far behind. The Stokes deal was a win win for both parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gez1875
Black was no way near one of their top earners. Beattie, Elliot, Webster, Skacel, Zaliukas and Tauil were all on bigger wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
yeah i agree with the stokes thing, i seem to recall someone saying on the radio when riordan came back that he was the highest paid player in scotland outside the old firm, i also stated we pay UPTO 6 grand i am well aware we dont pay everyone this amount.....my orignal argument was that we would not be deterred by someone wanting 2 grand a week, and as far the latapy, sauzee era, it was just as mcleish came in that we started the wage cap, which has went up since then, if they where on that kind of money then.........Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
Couldn't argue the others but Beattie was on £1500pw, he could have signed for Luton for a lot more but he felt SPL would be a better shop window.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
When he came up to Scotland he was looking to be signing on at Ibrox at the same time as Cousin.
Source - relation I work beside.
I think your getting mixed up mate. You will be lucky if we are paying half of what we were paying when Ginger Judas was in charge. Back then the sky deal was huge. We could afford to chuck 4k-7k a week on players like Sauzee, Latapy and Zatelli and so on. The sky deal crashed and left the clubs in a huge mess. We had to slash the wage bill big time and we were paying peanuts for a year till the Setanta deal came in. That also went tits up and although we got a new deal with sky its still very small, add a decrease in the number of fans coming through the gates then its no wonder we have had to slash the wage bill. The thing is, thats no excuse for us being rubbish. We pay argubaly the 4th or 5th biggest wages in the league and we are still rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gez1875
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
:agree:. Don't know what he's on wage wise but Aunt Sally is driving about in a right old pile of kite at the moment. I'm not to clued up on cars but it's a dark blue/blackish colour Merc or BMW. I was totally shocked when I saw him in it as it's totally ****ed by the looks of it.
Has he not been managing that now dead club without a wage?Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
Kevin Kyle is in this morning's Daily Record saying that Hibs have been in contact with him.
No. Just no.
What thread is this again ?
If he gets fit and its reasonable terms he would be a great foil for Doyle but would imagine the fact he has talked about it has prob ruled out a move.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
Who's Aunt Sally? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
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Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
I saw him at the airport in Florida on Sunday. He looks like he could be a wee bit short of match fitness.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenPJ
I'd take him on a low basic with bonuses for appearances etc though.
We've got rid of O'Connor and Murray...I suppose Kevin Kyle could be like a 2for1 to replace them. He's a strange looking immobile forward (that's Gaz covered) who is always injured (and that's Murray).Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
Aw gawd please no no no !!!!!! ...:no way:Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
A fit Kevin Kyle would be a good signing, the fact he's had a lot of injuries shouldn't effect his game too much as he never had any pace in the first place.
We've not had a striker able to hold the ball up and bring midfielders into the game since Killen and we're crying out for a forward like that.
The fact that he has had a lot of injuries mean we shouldnt touch him with a bargepole ..Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
If Kyle could prove his fitness I'd take him in a second.
Holds the ball up well and brings other players into the game. Add to that he's a big, ugly, bullying barsteward. and I don't think he's one to dismiss.
He certainly had Paul Hanlon bricking it whenever he faced him.
I'd be happy enough to let our medical team make that call after a thorough medical.Quote:
Originally Posted by happyhibbie
And yet the common concensus is that we should be doing everything we can to sign James McPake :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by happyhibbie
I think he would be a good signing. As you say, we need a bit of variation up front and he could compliment Doyle. Also adds a bit of height up front, especially if we can get in some players who actually know how to cross a ball. His injuries are a bit of a concern, but the club will have to make the right call about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenPJ
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Originally Posted by bingo70
Agreed but it won't be Kyle. I would be absolutely staggered if he manages to play more than a handful of games for anyone next season.
. No chance, his hips are more riddled with arthritis than Ian Murray'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
It's appears Hibs are in contact with several players. PF certainly trying to get players in. But still no signings. Is this progress?
Aye and naw. Maybes aye, maybes naw. He has been busy - he was on the blower the Monday am after that final. We need some action though IMHO - and that is tangible signings!Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
It all hinges on whether we sign better players or not (or get first choices even).Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
All we can do is moan about and blame those damn 'stumbling blocks'Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
There will be plenty of crap we can sign over the summer and espeically towards the end of August.
We'll have a crap team completed soon enough, nothing to worry about.
10 days to go
It also hinges on whether or not these better players will want to play for us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
Unfortunately, as a Club, our reputation has gone down the swanny in recent years and we're not such an attractive proposition as we once were.
Kevin Kyle really wasnt the type of player I considered when pat was discussing "the right type of player" the club needed to sign. Injury issues...fitness issues..
Maybe, although I'd think most players will go where they are paid what they expect and playing in a nice stadium with great training facolities should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Lets not get away from thew fact that recent managers have failed in their job of attracting the right players.
They have got ones who will have cost us a fair bit, guys who have been at big clubs, and so I'm not sure the reputation thing is really putting players off.
I haven't seen any indication that other teams find it any more straightforward to get the players they want.
Hibs are going to get relegated if it's anything like last season
I've been staying away from Hibs news as at least the huns story gives some entertainment
Very frustrating if Hibs don't vastly improve on the imposters of the Cup Final
Kyle could be the man to shove it up the jambos
Shouldn't take too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
Would it be any worse for the club or attract any more heat to the board and manager if they actually came out and said:
' we are working away, looking for right players blah de blah. Since the Catas-trophy in May we have made offers for Johnny Hayes, Johnny Haines, Johnny Hates Jazz, Neil Alexander, Neil Armstrong, Neil Beforezod, Farid Al Argui, Farid Fawcett, Farid Al Queda, etc' and just name who we've missed out on.
This would show the support that:
a) We're trying
b) The type of player we're after
c) A reality check for the supporters on how difficult it is getting players to Hibs
d) Managing expectations on who might actually come to Hibs etc.
Would that really be any worse than trotting out the 'working round the clock, players on holiday, takes time, right type of player' Thomas F. Kite that we get no matter who the manager is?
Just got a text from my son to say we have offered Kevin Kyle a deal, is this right? was on Sky Sports news apparently
In the Scotsman today too. I'd take him.
Dangerous when he plays - but too much on the treatment table for me!
Very good option if the right deal can be struck. FWIW, Billy Brown reckoned that Hearts end of season slump in the season before last was entirely down to Kyle being injured - he certainly was an important player for them.
well, i for one think it's very benevolent of hibs to offer kyle the full use of our treatment table and medical facilities :agree: go hibs, bring murray back as well please :)
Maybe we are taking Kyle down tae East Mains tae scare the gull's away ..:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'd take a ft Kevin Kyle, if such a beast exists.
He's a right niggly git too which is what we need.
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Originally Posted by happyhibbie
we already have that effigy of fulton :(
KK is far too ugly to play for Hibs :agree:
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Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot
I got told this the week after the final that hibs had been in talks with Kyle (my mate was at his stag doo ;) ) posted it on here somewhere so it seems that the talks have moved on if it's true and he is at east mains.
I would take him on a pay as you play contract for the first year if he hits a certain amount of games he gets the full contract. Seem risky to go for anything else IMO.
Andy stop posting things I agree with :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Joking aside, a fit Kyle I would welcome, he does hold the ball up well. But I honestly think he's finished as his hips and back are meant to be in a bad way.
If Kyle is the standard that we are aspiring to then we really are struggling. During his best seasons he's scored about once every three games. At the very most i'd consider him as a sub to bring on when we resort to hoofball to get a late goal.
I think KK's main role would be as a bench option, a good alternative to our current Spanish style midfield play!! Seriously, if he got fit I could see him as a 60 minute starter or a 30 min sub for us, certainly offers something different!!
We heard the same things said about him before he signed for Hearts, yet when he was a regular starter for them he played in a team that had 3rd place sealed by Christmas - there's a lot more to Kevin Kyle's game than scoring goals, and we could certainly do with a player like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by allezsauzee
Playing with a target man doesn't necessarily mean playing hoofball, incidentally (I remember typing exactly the same thing before Kyle signed for Hearts when he was linked with us).
There's more to it than goals with players like him - he holds the ball up, keeps it away from our own half, brings players in, and keeps opposition players working and in a battle - all that good stuff that you need to be competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by allezsauzee
Who would be an acceptable standard then?Quote:
Originally Posted by allezsauzee
I think a striker with a scoring rate of 1 goal every 3 games is decent, especially on a free. If he can add that to the team then I dont see it as a bad thing, especially as we only have one first team striker at the club.
If we intend to go for a hawrts striker/ex hawrts striker then I'd much prefer if our target was John Sutton.
Ok Hearts may well have finished 3rd with Kyle in the team , but they had players like Skacel banging in the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
He scored a grand total of 10 goal for Hearts. 3 of those in the league cup. We'd need a Skacel type player to score goals and sign a couple of decent wingers to supply him.....wouldnt it just be easier to sign a striker who scores goals?
I would agree was there not talk that we were still in for him obviously dealing with Hearts may be the issue in that however it may be that Hearts may want to get rid and cancel his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Regarding Kyle good signing if fit however given his injury record that must be a major risk regarding him. Short term deal to Xmas may be the shout.
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Originally Posted by Golden Bear
I agree, failing that i'd rather play one of our own young strikers than play Kevin Kyle