I agree mate. For me the spfl have asked for an independent review and I don't see the need for hibs to add anything furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
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I agree mate. For me the spfl have asked for an independent review and I don't see the need for hibs to add anything furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
I dont expect the fans rep to make a statement, but one of them did say a statement would be made by the club before the season starts and has then gone silent when asked why the statement hasnt been made,
For what its worth I think a statement would be pretty pointless anyway.
However, what we were told by the fans rep with the current silence is what irks me, especially when elected on a campaign of more open communication.
How dd Albion Rovers get kicked out of a cup for one minor indiscretion yet Rangers had players for years that were not properly registered and got kicked out of hee haw?
Something stinks.
Because the powers that be run "our" game for two teams only. The rest are not relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous Fiver
In Albion Rovers case it was a clear breach of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous Fiver
It's taken years to establish that EBTs were illegal and it is far from clear that they actually broke any rules as they stood a the time. I wish that wasn't the case but sadly it is.
Which is why people are asking questions. The clubs run our game, so it's up to us to ask why our club wants to just accept this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
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It is clear to everyone (although Rangers fans will deny it) that there is no need to strip titles as the only titles won by the Rangers are the three lower league titles which were won fairly and squarely.
Rangers can continue to claim as they please, but just look silly as a result
They hid the side letters at the time, which was as clear a breach of rules as you could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
That's something you will have to ask the Execs, not the volunteersQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not at the time it wasn't. I'm not defending Sevco by the way. I wish Ibrox was flats now. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Are you sure about that? Do you mean that at some point in the past it was ok to not report part of a player's remuneration to the SFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I assume he means that at the time it wasnt widely known about the side letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
That's kind of my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by stantonhibby
The reason nobody knew about those side letters, was because they hid them. Rangers hid the side letters and was a clear breach of the rules AT THAT TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by stantonhibby
Yeah I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I mean it wasn't clear that was what had happened at the time.
How come even some of our ain still incredibly try to defend that? Guilty as sin! Everyone knows! You'd expect the guilty to try to deflect of course. But "Hibbies" that went to games to see gascoigne laudrup etc beating Hibs & they were only there because they were getting sneaky untaxed side payments, what exactly is the motivation in trying to to defend such breaches of the rules. SIDE LETTERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
It is clear now though. The fact that they lied to hide a breach of the rules should not be time barred. Such a ruling would be a travesty of justice and renders the very existence of rules a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don't see anybody defending it.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
Rangers and Celtic were financially well out of sight of us at that time without the EBTs. They fixed a two horse race. They cheated when they really didn't have to.
A reasonable suggestion that perhaps lays bare the issue the Reps are facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Good PR and a route for fans to contact the club. Representation when others are not available.
But ultimately not part of the inner circle
Our Chairman is currently Vice President at the SFA, the organisation that has failed spectacularly in it's duty to look after the game. He is also the current chair of the Professional Game board. Given how poor (non existent would be another description) the SFAs response was to the EBT ruling I don't sit completely surprised at the silence from ER. We do have someone in a position of influence though.
ATM the Reps appear to been painted into a corner. Their next update will be scrutinised and if it contains nothing on this they will have been hung out to dry. The club could sort this with a statement, irrespective of how tepid.
A sad, and unintended consequence of this seems to be that the updates from the Reps has stopped.
I do think that this situation should moderate any expectations around an HSL director as well - exercising the voting rights will be HSLs strongest card.
Part of the reason I think there is a need for scrutiny, is that I am yet to be convinced that there is anything in place to effectively deal with clubs that live beyond their means.
As an aside, Doncaster made a big play of being prepared to meet fans groups to discuss the SPFL position. Have we had any groups contacted?
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Look how beatable the new club are without the ebt's. We need to make sure they can never do it again. We can only do that by finding out how they got away with it in the first place and strengthening the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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They're beatable because they were relegated and have failed to rebuild. You can't compare the Rangers team back then and Sevco today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I totally agree, the priority has to be making what they did a clear breach of the rules. They got away with it because they saw a loophole and exploited it.
Rangers were found guilty of not registering players correctly so there were rules in place. Lord Nimmo-Smith's commission fined them £250,000 for it. The question is why the commission thought a fine was appropriate when other clubs, most recently Albion Rovers, have been kicked out of tournaments for minor mistakes in registration.
Rangers' punishment was the equivalent of a thief who's stolen £10,000 being fined £250 and being allowed to keep the stolen goods.
You're having an off day today M59.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
There was no loophole. It was against the rules to pay players outside their contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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But who knew at the time that was what EBT's were doing? Rangers weren't the only club to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Actually I don't know why I am still in this conversation. I was only trying to go give reasons for the club and supporters directors silence. :greengrin
You are defending it, & we all know they were cheating. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Point out where I am defending it. I've given reasons why I think it's not easy for the club to issue a statement aligned with those of a few Celtic bloggers. I have defended nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
This has always been the key point. The broke the rules and they knew they were breaking the rules. They were then subsequently caught, just as many cheats in other sports have been caught after the event, and like those other cheats they should now be punished for that cheating by having the prizes they won taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The current sevco are irrelevant in all this. It is the Rangers which were liquidated in 2012 which should be punished. It is a bit like discovering a dead Olympic athlete who won gold was actually a drugs cheat, the IOC would still strip them of their gold medal.
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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