Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

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Originally Posted by Emerald

IF some sort of deal with the SPL has been struck to allow them to defer players wages, I'll be raging. The whole point of these sanctions was to punish clubs who signed players on big wages that they couldn't afford i.e. cheating. If they allow this to happen the SPL should get a list of all the players who are not receiving there wages and ban them from playing until they have been paid. Otherwise they are getting away with cheating again and the rest of the teams who have to play against these players may suffer because of it.

Cheating barstewards:grr:

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Thats the sad thing......the SPL & the SFA are basicly encouraging cheating. They know about Rangers for years, the same goes for Hearts, but do nothing, yet they were quick to act on Livingston/Gretna/Dundee.

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Originally Posted by DC_Hibs

I'm baffled by all the references to them selling players in January. Roll up, Roll up, come check out the firesale at a bottom six SPL club.

Who is going to pay money for Webster? Hearts got him on a free by once again offering more wages than us but I dont recall many other teams being in for him.....that would pay a fee. His previous spell/s in England will likely ensure no offers from there. Macgowan will raise around 200k with him being out of contract in the summer. Zaliukas I believe is rated by some clubs but FFS, surely they would have cashed in on this dumpling if any offers had come in previously.

I hope they put on another cake and candy stall as they'd make more from the scouts on that than they would on players.

HoMFC - DEFERRING THE INEVITABLE

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What I meant is they will try and recoup as much as they can for players that they themselves think will get most money - McGowan is off in January regardless I am hearing. Webster, with the CV he has, will find a club and attract a modest fee - Zaliukas likewise, a modest fee.

Hearts won't command a great deal in transfers but it will get six figures in and reduce the wage bill. I do however think they'll face 'Obua like' scenarios where certain players may decide to plant their feet and take a chance in seeing out contracts.

Hearts have got a couple of really decent young lads in their ranks and I hope Hibs are keeping an eye on that too - some of these lads might face the axe and there are two or three that I think have real promise.

wonder if the first minister had a word with the taxman,he did hint last week

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Originally Posted by goldenhibby

What I meant was they dont have to wait for the cash for the tickets they sell, plus they'll get a share of the total gate income

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For SC games the cash used to be dished out by the SFA because its their baby. Usually a few weeks later. maybe that has changed though.

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Originally Posted by ****pile

For SC games the cash used to be dished out by the SFA because its their baby. Usually a few weeks later. maybe that has changed though.

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Lets just let them know, that we saved them

How long are the big earners contracted for?

Forget the cayman islands........Scottish football the new tax haven :agree:

The 5-1 and wee team text messages have started again.

They just won't learn will they?

And yet none of them ask why Vlad hasn't paid any of the bill or even bothered to turn up!

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

How long are the big earners contracted for?

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A few of them run to the end of this season!

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Originally Posted by Col2

The 5-1 and wee team text messages have started again.

They just won't learn will they?

And yet none of them ask why Vlad hasn't paid any of the bill or even bothered to turn up!

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Your just jealous wee team Hobo :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Born Leader

A few of them run to the end of this season!

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So potentially per contracts and nominal fees then given the yams and their Del Boy junk sale

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

How long are the big earners contracted for?

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I think the majority of their current first team squad is only contracted till the end of the season. So they will get no transfer fees for them and will be lucky to offload them in January because most teams will just wait until summer to get them for free.

Surprise surprise. Itll never happen. They always squirm out of it.

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

So potentially per contracts and nominal fees then given the yams and their Del Boy junk sale

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Hearts aren't exactly in the best bargaining position *** January - any club interested in their top players hold all the aces - most are out of contract soon, they are desperate for money, not many clubs in January are flush and unless there is a burning desire to get a player they'll hold off or get a pre-contract signed.

They'll survive though.

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Originally Posted by big gogs

wonder if the first minister had a word with the taxman,he did hint last week

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Meanwhile, Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray is thought to have made headway in behind-the-scenes talks with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which is pursuing Hearts for the £450,000 unpaid tax bill, in a bid to give new momentum to discussions.
He said: “I have been speaking to the Treasury and senior officials at HMRC to try to get a constructive dialogue going between the club and tax authority.
“I’m confident now that those discussions are open and the club is in a better position today than it was last week.”
On Saturday, the News reported how club director Sergejus Fedotovas warned that Hearts fans would have to generate around £10,000 of revenue every day this season to survive its funding crisis :fenlon

Apologies if this has been posted before, but isn't this '3,2,Wonga' thing and its 'cash dash' just a bit cringeworthy given their current status?

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2978590

:cb

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Originally Posted by hibees 7062

Meanwhile, Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray is thought to have made headway in behind-the-scenes talks with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which is pursuing Hearts for the £450,000 unpaid tax bill, in a bid to give new momentum to discussions.
He said: “I have been speaking to the Treasury and senior officials at HMRC to try to get a constructive dialogue going between the club and tax authority.
“I’m confident now that those discussions are open and the club is in a better position today than it was last week.”
On Saturday, the News reported how club director Sergejus Fedotovas warned that Hearts fans would have to generate around £10,000 of revenue every day this season to survive its funding crisis :fenlon

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Well well, so LABOUR are first interfere!

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Originally Posted by Col2

The 5-1 and wee team text messages have started again.

They just won't learn will they?

And yet none of them ask why Vlad hasn't paid any of the bill or even bothered to turn up!

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Just never let them forget it was...

0 (nil) 7 (seven)

6 (six) 2 (two)

Never ever let them forget it...:agree:

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Originally Posted by Col2

The 5-1 and wee team text messages have started again.

They just won't learn will they?

And yet none of them ask why Vlad hasn't paid any of the bill or even bothered to turn up!

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He'll be busy flying around in his new Christmas present to be fair.

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Originally Posted by Born Leader

Thats the sad thing......the SPL & the SFA are basicly encouraging cheating. They know about Rangers for years, the same goes for Hearts, but do nothing, yet they were quick to act on Livingston/Gretna/Dundee.

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Is that the difference having a Campbell Ogilvie type person does for your club?

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

Surprise surprise. Itll never happen. They always squirm out of it.

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Appears that way.

Oh well, back to football discussions and not long till we play them in 'their' cup.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Hearts aren't exactly in the best bargaining position *** January - any club interested in their top players hold all the aces - most are out of contract soon, they are desperate for money, not many clubs in January are flush and unless there is a burning desire to get a player they'll hold off or get a pre-contract signed.

They'll survive though.

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They'll be totally uncompetitive and carrying a huge debt that they will have to start paying meaningful interest on in July 2013.

Hearts are in no position to demand transfers of any size for any of their high earners. They need shot of them as soon as the Transfer window opens.

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Originally Posted by hibees 7062

Meanwhile, Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray is thought to have made headway in behind-the-scenes talks with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which is pursuing Hearts for the £450,000 unpaid tax bill, in a bid to give new momentum to discussions.
He said: “I have been speaking to the Treasury and senior officials at HMRC to try to get a constructive dialogue going between the club and tax authority.
“I’m confident now that those discussions are open and the club is in a better position today than it was last week.”
On Saturday, the News reported how club director Sergejus Fedotovas warned that Hearts fans would have to generate around £10,000 of revenue every day this season to survive its funding crisis :fenlon

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Aye I'm sure he did.

Watch the scramble for people to take credit for this, when really it is just the tax man doing his duty; trying to get the maximum amount of blood out the stone before they shut them down.

It might not be worth worrying about, but the bookies see the bloodyturds as a better bet to win the scottish than we do. If the bookies are right, we're at SIGNIFICANT risk of going out to the cheating bloodyturds. Is it more important to Hibs to play this match than to challenge the bloodyturds' right to even PLAY in it, given they're insolvent?

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/...cottish-fa-cup

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Maybe someone should tell Ewan that in business, if you don't pay bills and monies due to contractors, sub contractors and the revenue, then other peoples livelihoods also suffer - sometimes causing extreme financial hardship and job loss. This kind of reaction (the 'football clubs are part of the community thus should be treated differently') is exactly what often prevents others from having sympathy or empathy towwards a cause - especially those with no interest in football. I'm told there are many many debts still to be paid and yet to be announced - maybe Ewan should do some digging and he'd find out to who :wink:

Did Ewan fight the good fight for Woolworths, Comet, MFI and JJB ? They have been in the community for years, they employ hundreds (or thousands), they each had 'history'.

People in this country are far too quick to point the finger of blame at those who really have had no responsibility for the problem they find themselves in - like a parent being told his son is a bully, only for the parent to blame the victime/school/police or anyone else that listens rather than deal with the matter in hand - his son being a bully.

Hearts fans loved the success but seemed to put to the side that it was always on the never never - they have had 7 years to confront, take on, challenge Romanov - or at the very least really scrutinise his ways - even Mr Murray could have reverted back to being a good old fashioned journalist, so lacking in the sports pages in Scotland these days, and taken it upon himself to investigate fully UBIG, Romanov and the way forward for Hearts.

Instead - they've waited for the inevitable to happen and now expect sympathy. I've reiterated a few times, I want Hearts to survive due to the fact I love the derby games, the banter and I've good mates that follow that side of town - but they get zero sympathy from me and karma is indeed a bitch as they say - you do indeed reap what you sew.

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:agree:best post I've read, on this subject. I have no feelings about them surviving though.made their bed............n' awe that.

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

It might not be worth worrying about, but the bookies see the bloodyturds as a better bet to win the scottish than we do. If the bookies are right, we're at SIGNIFICANT risk of going out to the cheating bloodyturds. Is it more important to Hibs to play this match than to challenge the bloodyturds' right to even PLAY in it, given they're insolvent?

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/...cottish-fa-cup

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So they're favorites to beat us in the next derby then?

That's fine by me.

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Originally Posted by hibees 7062

Meanwhile, Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray is thought to have made headway in behind-the-scenes talks with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which is pursuing Hearts for the £450,000 unpaid tax bill, in a bid to give new momentum to discussions.
He said: “I have been speaking to the Treasury and senior officials at HMRC to try to get a constructive dialogue going between the club and tax authority.
“I’m confident now that those discussions are open and the club is in a better position today than it was last week.”

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Some questions...

Bearing in mind your are a representative of the people Mr Murray, have you been even-handed in your attempts to maximise the public purse's position?
Have you received re-assurances from HMFC that all taxes, PAYE, NIC, VAT etc due to fund hospitals and schools etc are paid in full?
Who have you spoken with at HMFC?
What promises have they made to you?
If you have NOT spoken to HMFC, why not?
If you have not spoken with a Director level individual at HMFC, why are you taking it upon yourself to negotiate with the collector of taxes?

Answer on a postage stamp please....

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Originally Posted by big gogs

wonder if the first minister had a word with the taxman,he did hint last week

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He had a word with them about the Huns and got put in his place. Doubt he'd have tried again

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Presumably they have right up to the court case unless they reach an agreement first. At that stage HMRC will withdraw the request. But I hope that the case is heard at 9.00am on the dot and they don't get a chance.

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Can anyone check the court schedule for Thursday.

I believe somebody did it last time they had a winding up order.

J

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Originally Posted by Topographic Hibby

Some questions...

Bearing in mind your are a representative of the people Mr Murray, have you been even-handed in your attempts to maximise the public purse's position?
Have you received re-assurances from HMFC that all taxes, PAYE, NIC, VAT etc due to fund hospitals and schools etc are paid in full?
Who have you spoken with at HMFC?
What promises have they made to you?
If you have NOT spoken to HMFC, why not?
If you have not spoken with a Director level individual at HMFC, why are you taking it upon yourself to negotiate with the collector of taxes?

Answer on a postage stamp please....

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To be fair, if the Yams get liquidated, HMRC will probably get hee haw anyway. At least this way they are getting some money in, until the next time.

When we beat them on the 2nd he'll probably not pay out on the 3rd. Think he's just hanging on for this game.
It would be lovely if Vlad would show up for this one