Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

Rangers cheated paying players plenty because they were not paying U.K. tax but paying the players direct. Evidence aplenty! That is why these better players signed for the huns. So they were cheating against their competitors, who were not. Competitors fans, who paid money to watch their teams in the "Scottish leagues" but did not know this throughput 10+ years, are now aggrieved & want honours awarded to cheats, like in all other sports, removed. What is difficult here?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/11/dundee-united-docked-three-points-for-fielding-two-ineligible-pl/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/11/dundee-united-docked-three-points-for-fielding-two-ineligible-pl/

Bit of a difference to the SPL treatment of Dundee Utd when they fielded a couple of ineligible players in a no count end of season game, and Rangers decade of fielding ineligible players.

You can guess who got the points deducted.

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Yes but from what I can gather from all this is that the rules in place then just didn't cover this stuff and they had no power to do anything else. This was confirmed by judicial review.

It's not a great position but it is the only position there is and so whilst things have hopefully changed since and there can be a review of whether the current rules are now correct or not there's little more can be done about the Rangers issue.

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Originally Posted by majorhibs

Rangers cheated paying players plenty because they were not paying U.K. tax but paying the players direct. Evidence aplenty! That is why these better players signed for the huns. So they were cheating against their competitors, who were not. Competitors fans, who paid money to watch their teams in the "Scottish leagues" but did not know this throughput 10+ years, are now aggrieved & want honours awarded to cheats, like in all other sports, removed. What is difficult here?

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That's exactly it.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Yes but from what I can gather from all this is that the rules in place then just didn't cover this stuff and they had no power to do anything else. This was confirmed by judicial review.

It's not a great position but it is the only position there is and so whilst things have hopefully changed since and there can be a review of whether the current rules are now correct or not there's little more can be done about the Rangers issue.

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It reeks though doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by majorhibs

Rangers cheated paying players plenty because they were not paying U.K. tax but paying the players direct. Evidence aplenty! That is why these better players signed for the huns. So they were cheating against their competitors, who were not. Competitors fans, who paid money to watch their teams in the "Scottish leagues" but did not know this throughput 10+ years, are now aggrieved & want honours awarded to cheats, like in all other sports, removed. What is difficult here?

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Nothing at all wrong in what you say but the difficult thing is the rules in place at the time didn't allow for any further penalty and so legally the authorities can't do any more.

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Originally Posted by jacomo

It reeks though doesn't it?

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Certainty does but I'm just confirming the reality of the crap situation!

The focus on punishing Rangers now is futile. The focus should be on the accountability of the leadership of the game at the time and ensuring the rules are more palatable now.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Certainty does but I'm just confirming the reality of the crap situation!

The focus on punishing Rangers now is futile. The focus should be on the accountability of the leadership of the game at the time and ensuring the rules are more palatable now.

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The only way that will happen is if heads roll. So long as regan and Doncaster are there this shambles will continue.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Nothing at all wrong in what you say but the difficult thing is the rules in place at the time didn't allow for any further penalty and so legally the authorities can't do any more.

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Do you think there is a case to be made against those in charge of our game at the time? I've had numerous discussions about this with friends and it just stinks Andy. I think or should I say hope, action could still be taking for letting this whole thing happen.

http://forum.followfollow.com/showth...and-tax-issues

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Originally Posted by 660

http://forum.followfollow.com/showth...and-tax-issues

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We need to send Sergey over to help them out with the gaps in their knowledge. [emoji23]
I fully support the Sevconians in this whataboutery.


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Originally Posted by 660

http://forum.followfollow.com/showth...and-tax-issues

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I've been waiting for this to happen.

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Originally Posted by 660

http://forum.followfollow.com/showth...and-tax-issues

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Can't argue with this particular summation of our neighbours:-

"And as for their response to the troubles we've faced since 2012, they've shown themselves to be the biggest small minded and hypocritical bunch of erseholes we could never wish to meet. I hope that their new stand slowly sinks into the ground and swallows up every groat they've borrowed.

****** Hypocrites!"

2 baldy men fighting over a comb

:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

We need to send Sergey over to help them out with the gaps in their knowledge. [emoji23]
I fully support the Sevconians in this whataboutery.


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"One could argue that they (Hearts) signed players that they could not afford." Who on here has a password as that's not the normal language you see on follow follow..

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

We need to send Sergey over to help them out with the gaps in their knowledge. [emoji23]
I fully support the Sevconians in this whataboutery.


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That is an impressive post over there, and difficult to disagree with any of it..

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Originally Posted by surreyhibbie

That is an impressive post over there, and difficult to disagree with any of it..

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Only the bit where it says HMRC agreed to a CVA. It seems that BFO played fast and loose with the eligibility of creditors to vote and HMRC were outvoted to allow a CVA

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Originally Posted by surreyhibbie

That is an impressive post over there, and difficult to disagree with any of it..

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They weren't charged with tax evasion.

Neither has anyone at RFC, although that may be coming up in Series 9 [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They weren't charged with tax evasion.

Neither has anyone at RFC, although that may be coming up in Series 9 [emoji16]

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A few of them are probably looking up the number of Saul Goodman..

Another home draw in the cup for Rangers - how many is that in a row now?

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Originally Posted by neil7908

Another home draw in the cup for Rangers - how many is that in a row now?

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Must be getting close to their fabled 55... Hertz got there first though :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Jack Hackett

Can't argue with this particular summation of our neighbours:-

"And as for their response to the troubles we've faced since 2012, they've shown themselves to be the biggest small minded and hypocritical bunch of erseholes we could never wish to meet. I hope that their new stand slowly sinks into the ground and swallows up every groat they've borrowed.

****** Hypocrites!"

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:greengrin

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Board meeting today. Are we likely to hear a peep from Hibs about our position on Rangers cheating us for over a decade or will we just meekly accept it?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Board meeting today. Are we likely to hear a peep from Hibs about our position on Rangers cheating us for over a decade or will we just meekly accept it?


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I'm regrettably leaning towards already meekly accepted and now just looking for the reason why.

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Not buying season tix nor home or away strips for my three boys this year. Need to recoup over a decade of putting money into a rigged league. Chew on that Rod!

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

Not buying season tix nor home or away strips for my three boys this year. Need to recoup over a decade of putting money into a rigged league. Chew on that Rod!

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Bet he's gutted.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Board meeting today. Are we likely to hear a peep from Hibs about our position on Rangers cheating us for over a decade or will we just meekly accept it?


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We will accept it the same as Budge did and for reasons I simply don't understand.

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

Not buying season tix nor home or away strips for my three boys this year. Need to recoup over a decade of putting money into a rigged league. Chew on that Rod!

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Did the cost of Hibs tickets or strips go up over that period purely due to Rangers activities? I was under the impression our ticket pricing and club merchandise was priced as it always was with allowances increased due to inflation and rising costs?

How much are we as fans needing to recoup from this period? This could be the latest PPP type claim scenario. I was previously mistaken in to thinking I was paying my money to support Hibs, I didn't realise it was going towards Rangers cheating.

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Originally Posted by ian cruise

Did the cost of Hibs tickets or strips go up over that period purely due to Rangers activities? I was under the impression our ticket pricing and club merchandise was priced as it always was with allowances increased due to inflation and rising costs?

How much are we as fans needing to recoup from this period? This could be the latest PPP type claim scenario. I was previously mistaken in to thinking I was paying my money to support Hibs, I didn't realise it was going towards Rangers cheating.

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Same here, but I was paying my money to support Hibs in their attempts to win trophies. Turns out we could have kept a lot of our money and ended up in the same place.

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Originally Posted by ian cruise

Did the cost of Hibs tickets or strips go up over that period purely due to Rangers activities? I was under the impression our ticket pricing and club merchandise was priced as it always was with allowances increased due to inflation and rising costs?

How much are we as fans needing to recoup from this period? This could be the latest PPP type claim scenario. I was previously mistaken in to thinking I was paying my money to support Hibs, I didn't realise it was going towards Rangers cheating.

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I was under the impression that buying season tix and merchandise would give hibs a sporting chance to put players on the pitch. Seems I was paying into a system corrupted by those who are guilty of association and complicity.

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

Same here, but I was paying my money to support Hibs in their attempts to win trophies. Turns out we could have kept a lot of our money and ended up in the same place.

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Would we have ended up in the same place? I'm sure other clubs would have spent to take themselves above us. We spent the maximum we could afford to get to the best position we could. Celtic would still have out spent everyone meaning the rest of Scottish football would have spent the same trying to get as close to them as possible. Since Rangers imploded have we had to spend less on football? Your argument would suggest we have?

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Originally Posted by ian cruise

Would we have ended up in the same place? I'm sure other clubs would have spent to take themselves above us. We spent the maximum we could afford to get to the best position we could. Celtic would still have out spent everyone meaning the rest of Scottish football would have spent the same trying to get as close to them as possible. Since Rangers imploded have we had to spend less on football? Your argument would suggest we have?

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You are defending the indefensible. Until sevco, cheating has always been punished in sport and regardless of our current expenditure we were competing on a playing field that was even more out of level than we had believed.