Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by southern hibby

Stripping the titles etc, will let teams know that cheats will suffer if caught. Think about it if the SFA grow a set and take them off Rangers then other teams including The Rangers will know they would get hammered if caught.
If we sit back and allow this to happen then it will always be an option for any team who think they can get away with it.

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I don't think it will. Much in the same way Lance Armstrong refuses the acknowledge the stripping of his tour wins the Rangers fans will still claim they won 54 titles, the club probably will too. If they keep insisting they were demoted when that is factually inaccurate what chance do you have of them respecting a retrospective punishment such as titles being stripped. They just continue to share pictures of them with the trophies as proof they won them.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Well done Dons fans. Stewards tried unsuccessfully to take the banners from them. Every club should protest this.


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Good on them, hope we see more of this at grounds throughout the season.

Hope we as fans get something organised to protest the criminals that were at Ibrox.

I don't mean to give our club stick from a corporate level, as I know how difficult these things are, but I think the fans would really appreciate a statement of some kind from the club. Even one that minces its words quite well, like "in the event of a review, we will monitor developments very closely, and will not make further comment until such a time as further information emerges."

Statement from Dundee Utd fans.
https://m.facebook.com/arabtrust1909...54852872167992


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Statement from Dundee Utd fans.
https://m.facebook.com/arabtrust1909...54852872167992


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I notice that they are using their "Associate Director". Maybe this is something we can use our own Fans' Reps for?

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ttle-1-4497193

Good to see Hearts referred to in this article. But why is only the 2006 Scottish Cup final mentioned? I guess that was when they were paying (or as it turned out, NOT paying) truly silly wages?

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Originally Posted by G B Young

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ttle-1-4497193

Good to see Hearts referred to in this article. But why is only the 2006 Scottish Cup final mentioned? I guess that was when they were paying (or as it turned out, NOT paying) truly silly wages?

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Crucially, that article omits the side-letters issue (which sets the Thes case apart from all others, including Hearts). And to suggest that Celtic 'investigating the possibility of using EBTs' is somehow comparable to what actually went on at the Thes is ludicrous. The SMSM is truly pathetic.

Whether titles get stripped or not 'real fitba people'ken what happened so let the old club keep them.The only good that can come out of this is the destruction of the organisation who governed this era and continue to dodge the issue.They had no credibility prior to this pish and now must be dismantled completely.

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Originally Posted by ian cruise

I don't think it will. Much in the same way Lance Armstrong refuses the acknowledge the stripping of his tour wins the Rangers fans will still claim they won 54 titles, the club probably will too. If they keep insisting they were demoted when that is factually inaccurate what chance do you have of them respecting a retrospective punishment such as titles being stripped. They just continue to share pictures of them with the trophies as proof they won them.

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If the authorities take wins away from them they can say what they want but History will acknowledge they cheated.

All this they won't except it cr8p, means nothing, they need brought into line with the laws of the game.

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Originally Posted by southern hibby

If the authorities take wins away from them they can say what they want but History will acknowledge they cheated.

All this they won't except it cr8p, means nothing, they need brought into line with the laws of the game.

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:agree: When the whole thing blew up in their faces Fat Sally was on the tellybox giving it 'Rangers won't accept being demoted/relegated/whatever'. **** what they'll accept or say they'll accept.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I notice that they are using their "Associate Director". Maybe this is something we can use our own Fans' Reps for?

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I'd be interested to know what our fans reps thought of this issue. It would be nice if they could come on the board and tell us the club's thoughts on the issue.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Statement from Dundee Utd fans.
https://m.facebook.com/arabtrust1909...54852872167992


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All very true but we all know the fans of other clubs would be as well shouting at the moon. The Scottish football authorities, press, tv etc. will do nothing to damage The Rangers. It's a shocking reflection on Scottish football that cheating on this level is swept under the carpet and to cap it all the media make out that The Rangers are the victims.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I'd be interested to know what our fans reps thought of this issue. It would be nice if they could come on the board and tell us the club's thoughts on the issue.


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[emoji106] if enough fans want to see action / an expression of their views directly to the club then this is exactly what I felt the position would serve.

If the people who run the club have a position on something like this they should be sharing what the club feels and why. No better outlet than our reps.

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Originally Posted by Real Emerald

All very true but we all know the fans of other clubs would be as well shouting at the moon. The Scottish football authorities, press, tv etc. will do nothing to damage The Rangers. It's a shocking reflection on Scottish football that cheating on this level is swept under the carpet and to cap it all the media make out that The Rangers are the victims.

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Disagree. If noise hadn't been made before, The Thes would have been in the top flight of Scottish football from the very first minute of their existence.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

[emoji106] if enough fans want to see action / an expression of their views directly to the club then this is exactly what I felt the position would serve.

If the people who run the club have a position on something like this they should be sharing what the club feels and why. No better outlet than our reps.

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I'll try set up a poll later (if I can work out how to do it) to see what fans on here think. May just be the regulars on this thread that care.
If anyone else want to do it first because I'm on my phone feel free.


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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

[emoji106] if enough fans want to see action / an expression of their views directly to the club then this is exactly what I felt the position would serve.

If the people who run the club have a position on something like this they should be sharing what the club feels and why. No better outlet than our reps.

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Shouldn't it be the other way around in this situation?

The fans reps should be communicating to the Board what the fans think.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Shouldn't it be the other way around in this situation?

The fans reps should be communicating to the Board what the fans think.

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That's what I think. Previously it felt like it was the other way round. This is the perfect issue for them to step up.


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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Disagree. If noise hadn't been made before, The Thes would have been in the top flight of Scottish football from the very first minute of their existence.

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That's true the fans did play a part in that but are now being blamed for getting a club that ceased to exist 'relegated', how does that work? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for as much noise being made about this from as many places as possible, I'm just making the point that nothing more will be done to them, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Shouldn't it be the other way around in this situation?

The fans reps should be communicating to the Board what the fans think.

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That's what my first paragraph was getting at.



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Does anyone know how to set up a poll?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Does anyone know how to set up a poll?


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I can't do it on my phone either. Stuck on a train and no lap top.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

I can't do it on my phone either. Stuck on a train and no lap top.

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I've got my iPad now but I just don't know how to do it.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I've got my iPad now but I just don't know how to do it.


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I'll do one, hang on a sec ...

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I'll do one, hang on a sec ...

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Magic, thank you.


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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...dict-1-4497375


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Let's not forget that the EBT system not only allowed them to buy players that they otherwise couldn't, it also meant they had more resources to buy the best from their competitors and weaken them. How many young Scottish players ended up at ibrox keeping the bench warm and not getting the game time and experience they'd have gotten elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Let's not forget that the EBT system not only allowed them to buy players that they otherwise couldn't, it also meant they had more resources to buy the best from their competitors and weaken them. How many young Scottish players ended up at ibrox keeping the bench warm and not getting the game time and experience they'd have gotten elsewhere?

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From Hibs alone

Murray
Miller
Thomson
Shiels (indirectly)
Latapy (Sort of)
Whittaker

They go bust and we out do them to get Claros.

The ridiculous thing is that it's not just the current incarnation of Rangers that complain about being relegated or demoted, but the Media and some of our esteemed footballing bosses have said the same thing.

Isn't it great to have Rangers 'back', etc.


Not possible, they're long since dead, what is playing at Ibrox is 'The Rangers', and they haven't won a single major trophy.


Admittedly, they look and sound disgustingly similar, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Keekaboo

The ridiculous thing is that it's not just the current incarnation of Rangers that complain about being relegated or demoted, but the Media and some of our esteemed footballing bosses have said the same thing.

Isn't it great to have Rangers 'back', etc.


Not possible, they're long since dead, what is playing at Ibrox is 'The Rangers', and they haven't won a single major trophy.


Admittedly, they look and sound disgustingly similar, but that's about it.

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And they managed to purchase a 50k seater stadium and training ground for £5m, a sum that also included a payment to the liquidator which was around £2m I seem to remember. That on top of all the creditors and HMRC loosing millions. They march on as if nothing has happened except having the misfortune of being 'relegated' by the nasty other clubs. The whole thing stinks but they will get away with it and still be portrayed as the victims by themselves and the media. Utterly ridiculous what they're getting away with.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...tles-1-4497710


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