Managerial Sack Race

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Livescores now reporting Tuchel a done deal

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This will be fun.

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

FA make formal contact with Pep Guardiola re England job

Man City Boss is out of contract in the summer

Livescores

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Just shows the nonsense that goes on in the media. The FA have confirmed that Tuchel signed his contract with them on 8th October 😂


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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

They are both English. That's it. The end.

It's like every English lower league player we sign is the same.

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Should have added imo before the .net police arrived:greengrin

Just a vibe I get about him, nothing more. Knew nothing about Johnson and I've never heard of Critchley. Wasn't implying they were identical twins.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by SHODAN

This will be fun.

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Guy is an excellent tactician. Miles and miles ahead of Southgate. If they'd had him in either final they'd have won.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

They are both English. That's it. The end.

It's like every English lower league player we sign is the same.

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Arguing with myself here I know but they did also both come after being sacked by league 1 clubs so it’s not just that they’re English, I agree with the general point though that that’s the only reason they’re being compared.

I don’t think he’s like LJ at all from what I can tell, plus Johnson is half Scottish I believe so he was just like us jocks. 😜

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Arguing with myself here I know but they did also both come after being sacked by league 1 clubs so it’s not just that they’re English, I agree with the general point though that that’s the only reason they’re being compared.

I don’t think he’s like LJ at all from what I can tell, plus Johnson is half Scottish I believe so he was just like us jocks. 😜

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They were also seemingly the other option behind managers who were way more popular with the fans but too expensive (JDT/Hogmo). Both also arrive with fairly negative reviews from their last clubs supporters.

Their careers aren’t similar at all though.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Guy is an excellent tactician. Miles and miles ahead of Southgate. If they'd had him in either final they'd have won.

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They weren't good enough to beat Spain

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

They were also seemingly the other option behind managers who were way more popular with the fans but too expensive (JDT/Hogmo). Both also arrive with fairly negative reviews from their last clubs supporters.

Their careers aren’t similar at all though.

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Hopefully that continues. Johnson's relative success of a third place finish, and credible victories in Europe, eclipsing Cratchett's relegation season.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

They weren't good enough to beat Spain

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With him, I think they would have. England's players are as good as Spain's.

So did Pep tell England to bolt then?

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Originally Posted by Since452

So did Pep tell England to bolt then?

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No. Was totally made up I think.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

With him, I think they would have. England's players are as good as Spain's.

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Would agree with that. Player for player, England are very strong. Why they stuck with Southgate so long is anyone’s guess.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Guy is an excellent tactician. Miles and miles ahead of Southgate. If they'd had him in either final they'd have won.

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Spain are a good side, so I don’t think it’s a certainty England would’ve won, but Tuchel would’ve had them looking a much better side.

I probably would’ve put money on England from the start if they’d had Tuchel in. They’ve had a great squad for a while, but poor management has been their downfall.

Southgate taking a year out just now, be interesting to see what his next job is, he’s not a good manager.

I have a feeling that history might judge Southgate a lot kinder than people do in the present day

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Originally Posted by flash

I have a feeling that history might judge Southgate a lot kinder than people do in the present day

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I think that’ll depend on the success of Tuchel.

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Originally Posted by easty

Spain are a good side, so I don’t think it’s a certainty England would’ve won, but Tuchel would’ve had them looking a much better side.

I probably would’ve put money on England from the start if they’d had Tuchel in. They’ve had a great squad for a while, but poor management has been their downfall.

Southgate taking a year out just now, be interesting to see what his next job is, he’s not a good manager.

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Yet Southgate has been the most successful England manager in my lifetime in terms of progression in World Cups and Euros. To say he’s not a good manager is an utterly ridiculous statement in my opinion. Speculating about how England would have done better under a different manager also holds little weight. Tuchel or anyone else will have a tough job emulating what Southgate achieved with England, I very much doubt anyone will. And please don’t give me he was lucky, easy draws, blah, blah, blah.

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Originally Posted by easty

I think that’ll depend on the success of Tuchel.

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Absolutely. Two finals and one semi final from 4 tournaments will take a bit of beating not that anyone else is likely to have the job that long.

Have to admit to having a soft spot for him because he is such an all round good guy too.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Yet Southgate has been the most successful England manager in my lifetime in terms of progression in World Cups and Euros. To say he’s not a good manager is an utterly ridiculous statement in my opinion. Speculating about how England would have done better under a different manager also holds little weight. Tuchel or anyone else will have a tough job emulating what Southgate achieved with England, I very much doubt anyone will. And please don’t give me he was lucky, easy draws, blah, blah, blah.

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Excellent manager imo. Yes very lucky with the talent at his disposal but to be within a penalty kick of winning a tournament is a great achievement. Many managers have tried & failed over the last 60 years for England so he deserves all the plaudits going for nearly taking them all the way. If he wants the poisoned chalice then his next job will be at Man Utd and fully deserved. Lovely guy by all accounts also. Good luck to him.

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Originally Posted by flash

Absolutely. Two finals and one semi final from 4 tournaments will take a bit of beating not that anyone else is likely to have the job that long.

Have to admit to having a soft spot for him because he is such an all round good guy too.

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I think Southgate did benefit from some unbelievably favourable draws at major tournaments though.

For all his successes in getting to the latter stages of tournaments, they’ve not won many games against the top tier nations.

Of course, he deserves loads of credit for avoiding the banana skins (just), I’m not sure the job he did, is as good as the record books may show.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I think Southgate did benefit from some unbelievably favourable draws at major tournaments though.

For all his successes in getting to the latter stages of tournaments, they’ve not won many games against the top tier nations.

Of course, he deserves loads of credit for avoiding the banana skins (just), I’m not sure the job he did, is as good as the record books may show.

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Reminds me a bit of Jack Ross when you put it like that ( was a Jack Ross fan btw).

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Yet Southgate has been the most successful England manager in my lifetime in terms of progression in World Cups and Euros. To say he’s not a good manager is an utterly ridiculous statement in my opinion. Speculating about how England would have done better under a different manager also holds little weight. Tuchel or anyone else will have a tough job emulating what Southgate achieved with England, I very much doubt anyone will. And please don’t give me he was lucky, easy draws, blah, blah, blah.

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England haven’t done any better than I’d expect them to do with the players they have at their disposal and the matches they were given.

I’d say they’ve underperformed by not winning anything, and for me I’m thankful that it was Southgate at the helm.

He’ll not ever be a successful club manager.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

Yet Southgate has been the most successful England manager in my lifetime in terms of progression in World Cups and Euros. To say he’s not a good manager is an utterly ridiculous statement in my opinion. Speculating about how England would have done better under a different manager also holds little weight. Tuchel or anyone else will have a tough job emulating what Southgate achieved with England, I very much doubt anyone will. And please don’t give me he was lucky, easy draws, blah, blah, blah.

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Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

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Originally Posted by easty

England haven’t done any better than I’d expect them to do with the players they have at their disposal and the matches they were given.

I’d say they’ve underperformed by not winning anything, and for me I’m thankful that it was Southgate at the helm.

He’ll not ever be a successful club manager.

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Don't think Andy Roxburgh ever managed a club, while Craig Brown never set the heather alight at club level, yet Scotland qualified for four major tournaments in eight years during their successive tenures - and that was before the safety net of the Nations League. Took them 25 years to reach another one via the groups.

Be interesting to see if the best international managers are generally successful at club level too. I guess maybe some of the top club bosses don't want international jobs. I do know that Alf Ramsey worked miracles with Ipswich before getting the England job.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

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Outstanding? He won nothing with a very good squad.

Isn’t his record v good sides, top 10 ranked sides, pretty crappy too? Can’t be arsed to check it but I’m sure it’s something like 2 wins in 10?

Gareth Southgate was risk averse lost count of the dough I have lost on England when they once again managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory when they looked stick ons to win with his boring team, negative tactics and a personality to match despite having the best squad to pick from

My abiding memory of the Euro’s is his team passing back to the goalie from deep inside the opposition half time after time but I suppose that is called ball retention but from three lions with no claws or teeth

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

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:faf::faf: What nonsense, he was a bang average club manager and vastly under achieved with one of the best squads in the world.

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Originally Posted by J-C

:faf::faf: What nonsense, he was a bang average club manager and vastly under achieved with one of the best squads in the world.

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If anything he overachieved. Prior to his tenure England had reached one tournament final in their history. Southgate took them to two in four years plus their first World Cup semi-final nearly 30 years. Not winning finals against teams which were better than England is hardly underachievement.

England have almost always had excellent squads but are hamstrung by an insane level of fan/media pressure. Southgate's their first manager since Ramsey to rise above that and exploit their potential.

As I said, denying that he did a good job either smacks of jealousy or puts his critics in the same camp as Hibs fans who claim Jack Ross making us competitive in every cup competition and finishing third was compromised by the football allegedly not being good enough.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

If anything he overachieved. Prior to his tenure England had reached one tournament final in their history. Southgate took them to two in four years plus their first World Cup semi-final nearly 30 years. Not winning finals against teams which were better than England is hardly underachievement.

England have almost always had excellent squads but are hamstrung by an insane level of fan/media pressure. Southgate's their first manager since Ramsey to rise above that and exploit their potential.

As I said, denying that he did a good job either smacks of jealousy or puts his critics in the same camp as Hibs fans who claim Jack Ross making us competitive in every cup competition and finishing third was compromised by the football allegedly not being good enough.

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There's no way Italy were a better team than England in the Euros. Final at Wembley as well.

Spain there's more of an argument.

With the squad available to him I'm firmly in the underachieved camp. Worried now Tuchel has the job and I'd make them favourites for the World Cup now.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

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Depends what the marker for success is. Using previous tournaments then they over achieved but there's a reason they were joint favourites this time around due to their squad, player for player stacking up against any European side in the tournament.

Only france had a legitimate claim to have a better side, imo. So far that reason they will rightly be frustrated at not beating an Italian or Spanish side that aren't "better" than them. That's where Southgate failed.