2022-23 season non-Hibs games thread

What the old firm do beyond hopefully slipping up against us and making sure they beat our rivals Is irrelevant. If anything them being in the champions league gives me a game to watch during the week.

The only gap I'm interested in is the one to hearts as it could be us taking advantage and getting the European nights. Rangers as much as some people think otherwise are not our rivals. They were for 2 maybe 3 years when they were building but the situation now is back to how I've always known it with them and celtic miles ahead over a season. That sits fine with me, if we get 3rd, Europe and start building our own finances we will progress as a club.

If Hearts have no shots on target, lose two goals and have 31% possession against Zurich do they go through? Trying to work out the yamenomics for tonight 😁

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Originally Posted by Iain G

If Hearts have no shots on target, lose two goals and have 31% possession against Zurich do they go through? Trying to work out the yamenomics for tonight 😁

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Depends if they get the 2 late red cards that caused the defeat.

“2 red cards” x “mins left in the game” / “big team grandeur” = real number of goals scored

If they do get knocked out, it’s not “knocked out” it’s “demoted”

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Originally Posted by Iain G

If Hearts have no shots on target, lose two goals and have 31% possession against Zurich do they go through? Trying to work out the yamenomics for tonight 😁

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I don't know but no doubt they will have been 'outstanding' and it will have 'felt like a win'.

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Originally Posted by easty

Depends if they get the 2 late red cards that caused the defeat.

“2 red cards” x “mins left in the game” / “big team grandeur” = real number of goals scored

If they do get knocked out, it’s not “knocked out” it’s “demoted”

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they’ll probably spend three months taking it through the courts appealing against the demotion to the conference league. Because “it’s the right thing to do”.

And with Rangers getting into the Group stages, Hearts just get more coefficient money from UEFA

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

And with Rangers getting into the Group stages, Hearts just get more coefficient money from UEFA

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Underlines the impact of us crumbling last season from a comprehensive third place the season before

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

And with Rangers getting into the Group stages, Hearts just get more coefficient money from UEFA

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Is that correct? Nightmare

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Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia

they’ll probably spend three months taking it through the courts appealing against the demotion to the conference league. Because “it’s the right thing to do”.

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For the good of the game :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia

The money they get from FOH every year will be enough for that, if it’s spent wisely (something they haven’t always done). There is a real danger that from a relatively level playing field for most of the last decade Hibs are going to be left behind financially.

We need European group stage football.

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Agreed with your last sentence, but honestly when did we last reach that or equivalent stage in Europe?

Getting top 4 this season and then subsequently having a proper go at Europe for a change is absolutely vital

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Originally Posted by lyonhibs

Agreed with your last sentence, but honestly when did we last reach that or equivalent stage in Europe?

Getting top 4 this season and then subsequently having a proper go at Europe for a change is absolutely vital

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You only have to finish 3rd for it now though so you just get there by default. Before, you would have to beat at least two really decent sides to get there.

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Originally Posted by lyonhibs

We won't be closing the gap to the OF to be the same size as that between Atleti and Real, or Napoli and Inter any time soon. Wealth/income generation is a cycle and qualifying for the Group stages gets the OF the proper money to assemble squads to skoosh Scottish football and almost focus on Europe.

Forget about them, they are operating in a different ecosystem. I more fervently hope that we don't see a similar thing happen with Hearts, but a couple of years of Europa League group qualification could see them cement "best of the rest", at least from an income/wages they can offer perspective, for a good while

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You've made a very valid point re Hearts, the OF will only get richer as Scottish football guarantees them European football every season, but hearts could be on the verge of putting financial daylight between the rest of the league with the FOH money and a European run, worrying times.

I'm fully expecting Sevco to get weakest possible draw, too. Why not, everything else falls their way.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

You only have to finish 3rd for it now though so you just get there by default. Before, you would have to beat at least two really decent sides to get there.

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:agree: That’s the really big change for Scottish clubs, the removal of the need to have a two legged playoff for finishing 3rd. Whoever does that this year will catch up a bit financially with hearts, if it’s hearts, the other nonOF clubs start to look in trouble. We haven’t got past more than two ties in European competition from what I can see from (wiki) since 73-74 Cup Winners Cup, we got to the quarter final, and we’ve never reached ‘the group stages’ of a euro competition in the modern sense since then I don’t think?

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Originally Posted by Iain G

If Hearts have no shots on target, lose two goals and have 31% possession against Zurich do they go through? Trying to work out the yamenomics for tonight 😁

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They’re under no pressure in a great no lose situation No matter how they play or what they do they’ll be playing at least 3 months of European football.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

They’re under no pressure in a great no lose situation No matter how they play or what they do they’ll be playing at least 3 months of European football.

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Indeed. Wish it was us tonight. So glad we totally ****ed up last season.

I know this gets attached to a lot of seasons, but THIS season is a really big one for the club. If we could do the unlikely and get a third place finish with a new boss and a rebuilt team it would be an amazing achievement, and would enable us to be in the mix for European football and be at least getting close to Hearts ability to pay the best wages behind the Glasgow two.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I know this gets attached to a lot of seasons, but THIS season is a really big one for the club. If we could do the unlikely and get a third place finish with a new boss and a rebuilt team it would be an amazing achievement, and would enable us to be in the mix for European football and be at least getting close to Hearts ability to pay the best wages behind the Glasgow two.

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All true that ….can’t see us getting the consistency for third place . Hearts are too experienced imho. Also think Aberdeen look great going forward (not so sure about defence mind you ). If we could get 4th/5th and progress throughout the season , I’d be happy

For anyone who gives a ****.. Hearts team tonight.

Gordon

Smith
Rowles
Kingsley
Cochrane

Devlin
Grant

Forrest
Boyce
McKay

Shankland

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Originally Posted by JamesHFC

For anyone who gives a ****.. Hearts team tonight.

Gordon

Smith
Rowles
Kingsley
Cochrane

Devlin
Grant

Forrest
Boyce
McKay

Shankland

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All *****.

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Originally Posted by JamesHFC

For anyone who gives a ****.. Hearts team tonight.

Gordon

Smith
Rowles
Kingsley
Cochrane

Devlin
Grant

Forrest
Boyce
McKay

Shankland

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Stick it on the FC Zurich fans forum, James

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

I can actually see Rangers doing alright in the groups and with a favourable draw I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the last 16. Id be surprised if they finish bottom of their group.

That being said, whilst I think celtic are a better side, I fancy them to get pumped rotten. The way they play will play right into the hands of teams at that level.

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No chance of an Old Firm final then?

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I'm not sure it's that

Is it not the case that it's the Scottish Cup winner/runner-up that gets the highest placing

If we'd won the cup last year, we'd have been playing Zurich in the play-off game
Hearts - as 3rd place but no cup final - would have been playing AZ Alkmaar (instead of Dundee Utd) in the earlier round

It's all about the cup

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Originally Posted by Springbank

I'm not sure it's that

Is it not the case that it's the Scottish Cup winner/runner-up that gets the highest placing

If we'd won the cup last year, we'd have been playing Zurich in the play-off game
Hearts - as 3rd place but no cup final - would have been playing AZ Alkmaar (instead of Dundee Utd) in the earlier round

It's all about the cup

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You no longer get a Euro place for being runner-up in the cup, if the winner has already qualified. It changed quite a few years ago.

Group F:
Real Madrid
RB Leipzig
Shakhtar Dontesk
Celtic

Group A:
Ajax
Liverpool
Napoli
Rangers

That's Rangers out.

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

Group F:
Real Madrid
RB Leipzig
Shakhtar Dontesk
Celtic

Group A:
Ajax
Liverpool
Napoli
Rangers

That's Rangers out.

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Can we offer Shakhtar the opportunity to make ER their base?

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Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby

Can we offer Shakhtar the opportunity to make ER their base?

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How cool would that be.

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Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby

Can we offer Shakhtar the opportunity to make ER their base?

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Presume they’ll play in Poland, like the National team

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Originally Posted by SteveHFC

Group F:
Real Madrid
RB Leipzig
Shakhtar Dontesk
Celtic

Group A:
Ajax
Liverpool
Napoli
Rangers

That's Rangers out.

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Hope the pwicks lose every game 8-0

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Presume they’ll play in Poland, like the National team

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I think the proposal was for Easter Road to be the base for Celtic's home game.