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Without checking, let’s assume his stats are way out in front of anybody’s else’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The point some of us are making is that we think £3m is a cracking price and that that money could be well spent.
None of us are saying we would definitely improve, but some are suggesting we would definitely be weaker without him.
If Maloney rates him that highly there’s no discussion to be had.
The question wasn’t to me…it was about about penalties in your other post..was wondering what the point of it is…if they count the same as any other goal..and can be missed the same as other chances…Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
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I think you know the answer will be pretty much nobody though, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Or nobody that didn’t cost several millions pounds.
I'll leave it at 9 assists in a year isn't great imo, I don't rate him as highly as you, you can find it weird all you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
I disagree with the general point you’re making but playing devils advocate, I actually agree with you on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
When judging a player, their ability to score a penalty doesn’t impress me that much. I think the difference with Boyle is though that I think he probably won the majority of those penalties!
I don’t think we will get a direct replacement as good as Boyle however if we can use the money well to not be so reliant on the one player we will be a better team for it.
Other teams in the league don’t have Boyle and doing better than us so I don’t agree he’s irreplaceable.
I get why folk might see value in selling and reinvesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
But you said he’s not even close to being one of the best players in the league which, IMO, is ludicrous based on what he’s produced over the last year and a bit. And that we should be able to easily spend the money to replace him. If you’re looking at similar type players, someone like Ryan Kent might be returning the same type of numbers and he cost 7 million quid.
so we dont count those that have been set up by him but missed? Ok your right but so is a broken clock twice per dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
This thread is getting ridiculous
Agree that an assist total doesn’t paint the full picture. Cadden, Boyle and Doig put in loads of crosses,cutbacks etc that deserve better but it counts for nothing if someone doesn’t make the correct run or fluffs the shot. The thing is these guys are doing it pretty consistently. Boyle used to be just a pace merchant but now his game is so much more. The way he turns and moves his body in comparison to where the opposition are has come on exponentially in recent years. He will be a great player even after his pace has dipped a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Similar to yourself and for reasons I’m not sure of I don’t think he will be as effective in SM teams, Hopefully this is because others are taking more responsibility for our creativity.
Let me clarify my thoughts on Boyler.Quote:
Originally Posted by andudare2
When he's on fire he's great, and practically unplayable like in the semi against Rangers.
Too often though he's snuffed out too easily by defences like in the cup games against St Johnstone.
I'd rather we kept him but if we're offered anything near 3 million i'd sell.
Heard tonight that portious is close to signing a new deal hope its true
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That would be incredible…decent source for the information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
If we had a penalty box striker Boyle's assists would be up in the 20s .... I've lost count of the number of balls he's played between the keeper and 6 yard line in the last year with none of our so called 'strikers' anywhere to be seen and you can probably have sympathy for doig and Murphy in that area too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
Fantastic if trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
You could flip that and say if he'd lifted his head and found a man instead of firing in an aimless ball his assists would be higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Please let it be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
I would say Cadden more than anyone. He has put in so many crosses into the perfect area for a penalty box striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
This will start another spate of posts from those that think he isn’t good enough and we could do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Personally would be delighted if this comes to pass
Ron The Con has definitely been backing the team in terms of giving existing players new contracts and in funding new signings at a time when income is probably down and when he has had to pay off a management team and fork out good money for Ambitious replacement
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The Martin Boyle we signed from Dundee has not improved his decision making and still became a full internationalist years later?
Come on!
Onto Porto
Be delighted if he extends his deal - brilliant news that would be
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I'm not sure which year people mean but it's the exact equivalent of a full season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
In comparison, the highest number of assists in the 20/21 season was Ianis Hagi with 11. Ryan Christie, Ryan Kent and James Tavernier were joint second with 9. Martin Boyle was tied 6th with 6.
9 in a calendar year seems more than decent.
Boyle hatrick v the huns at Hampden recently - one of my most favourite Hibs games in last few years.
Can’t believe folk are knocking his stats - yes we maybe aren’t as good if he’s marked out the game or not playing his best but he’s a key player and you will be doing very well to find a replacement ready to make a difference like him. You could argue others around him need to step it up to his levels - especially with all his travelling he’s done.
The person who quoted 9 in a year would have been very accurate in that statement, I took that to mean more than a season, but still, 9 assists in a season isn't great imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
No you couldn't. Absolutely any ex player worth the name commenting on games from any league in the world raves about balls played between keeper and 6 yard line and is always critical when nobody is there to get on the end of them. As another poster said, Cadden has played a few of them too with nobody to be seen ... in fact the last guy who came close to connecting with a ball like that was Ryan Porteous in the Aberdeen game and he's a centre half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
The likes of Boyle rarely has anybody to 'pick out' because our midfield players rarely get into the box, an issue at Hibs for bloody years, in fact Magennis was becoming a standout because he actually was getting into the box from midfield and was scoring as a result .... it's an absolute bugger that he has picked up another serious injury for that very reason.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaffer1875
Would be happy with this.
Without wanting (genuinely really don’t) to kick such a debate off.. is there a single poster on here that doesn’t think Porto is “good enough”?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Thank goodness page 122 has some new exciting information!
Hoping those contract talks are wrapped up quickly and RP is with us long term.
If 11 was the highest, how come 9 isn't very good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
If you look back the last thread when he got sent off again am sure there were a few Most were stating the obvious that they wished he would cut out the rash tackles and he needed to mature Plenty were singing his praises but yes there were a few that thought we could do betterQuote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
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Tbf to Boyle and people like myself who have seen a lot of players come and go over the years and rate him highly, I think you need to take in to consideration how far up the park he takes you,how much he is nullifying right side threat and also how many dangerous attacks he starts by digging in and taking a pounding that results in either a chance or a goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
For me one of the best I’ve seen in a long long time at Easter road.
That’s before you consider what he brings to the dressing room and club as a whole in terms of character.
If he is sold and wants a move fair enough but reinvestment crucial,without counting the business we have already done,a mini clear out of players constantly on the periphery of first team who do a job but don’t get us over line as much on the occasion.
Let’s not be in a position where you wonder if the transfer money was properly reinvested for example John mcginn leaving mcgeouch as well and wondering why the midfield lacks balance.
We need a centre half sign one a good one,as in done a job elsewhere and fans can see at least the motivation to do so,that would be nice.
We have speculated to accumulate on a few young players now in positions you sort of can but centre half I don’t think we can afford to gamble like that for now.
So if Boyle goes hopefully we get what is deserved for a top player and we can sign real talent with the cash to a degree.
Hibs played 51 competitive games in 2021. Presuming the stats that have been branded were correct the Boyle played 48 with 24 goals and 9 assists. That’s a goal contribution every game and a half. One of those games he was only on the park for 20 minutes as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie