Tories are still lying *******s

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Originally Posted by Kato

It's just weird that they seem incapable of going a day without telling a lie. On Sunday he claimed on TV that the UK had issued 300,000 visas for Ukrainian refugees and it was only when asked to confirm that he corrected it to 3000, if he hadn't been asked he would have let it ride.

Apart from that - what a performer he is.

Read something the other day that claimed 88% of Conservative Party information issued during the 2019 election campaign was porkies, that is some doing.



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I doubt they told 12% truths since.

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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie

I doubt they told 12% truths since.

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Yes, by "that is some doing" I meant the 12%.

For those who consider the feeling of "being British" is worth voting for this lot, "being British" must be some strong juju. Not as strong as ching Govey is on in the above clip of course. The sense of puzzlement on the Tory backbenches is also becoming more palpable, obviously not in on the game.

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Mental that anyone thinks Rishi Sunak, or even more crazy Liz Truss - are good at their job.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...YJ-b0pZIg&s=19

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https://pressgazette.co.uk/carole-ca...-trial-begins/


Cadwalladr is being sued by Banks for repeated stating Banks took Russian money for the Brexit ref.

She has stated (para 12 of link ) that there is no evidence that any money changed hands but she wants the freedom to repeat it.

More fake news from award winning journalists , maybe.

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Cadwalladr is being sued by Banks for repeated stating Banks took Russian money for the Brexit ref.

She has stated (para 12 of link ) that there is no evidence that any money changed hands but she wants the freedom to repeat it.

More fake news from award winning journalists , maybe.

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What happened to the russia report?

Your not curious at all?

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Mental that anyone thinks Rishi Sunak, or even more crazy Liz Truss - are good at their job.

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Richie is only there because of the furlough money

Nothing suspicious or Orwellian here.


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Originally Posted by greenginger

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https://pressgazette.co.uk/carole-ca...-trial-begins/


Cadwalladr is being sued by Banks for repeated stating Banks took Russian money for the Brexit ref.

She has stated (para 12 of link ) that there is no evidence that any money changed hands but she wants the freedom to repeat it.

More fake news from award winning journalists , maybe.

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There was also no evidence of Russian interference in our elections, as those tasked with finding out were told not to.

Cadwalladr has more integrity in he wee toe, than banks has in his ever increasing body.

Carrie Johnson(symonds) founder member of "conservative friends of Russia", nothing to see here. Move along, nothing to see, just like the Gray report.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

There was also no evidence of Russian interference in our elections, as those tasked with finding out were told not to.

Cadwalladr has more integrity in he wee toe, than banks has in his ever increasing body.

Carrie Johnson(symonds) founder member of "conservative friends of Russia", nothing to see here. Move along, nothing to see, just like the Gray report.

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Cadwalladr wants the freedom to repeatedly smear Banks while admitting she has no evidence, meanwhile she is screaming abuse and misogyny because Andrew Neil compared her to a cartoon character.

I’ll risk another comparison , how about Goofy !

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Cadwalladr wants the freedom to repeatedly smear Banks while admitting she has no evidence, meanwhile she is screaming abuse and misogyny because Andrew Neil compared her to a cartoon character.

I’ll risk another comparison , how about Goofy !

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You're a Banks/Leave.eu supporter now? :confused:

Not sure why you'd want to re-parrot the misogynistic attacks on Cadwalladr? There's plenty of stuff on record coming from Isabel Oakeshott, a pro-Brexit journo who wrote a book with Banks co-operation and was a bit surprised at what she found in his emails.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ouse-zmg80swqg
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...tion-7nbwc7m58
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ated-fg7tjd87l

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You're a Banks/Leave.eu supporter now? :confused:

Not sure why you'd want to re-parrot the misogynistic attacks on Cadwalladr? There's plenty of stuff on record coming from Isabel Oakeshott, a pro-Brexit journo who wrote a book with Banks co-operation and was a bit surprised at what she found in his emails.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ouse-zmg80swqg
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...tion-7nbwc7m58
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ated-fg7tjd87l

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Nope, voted remain , but do get pissed off at folk who won’t accept the democratic decision of the people in a referendum.

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Nope, voted remain , but do get pissed off at folk who won’t accept the democratic decision of the people in a referendum.

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What about the Democratic right to hold a referendum after winning an election with it in a manifesto?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Nope, voted remain , but do get pissed off at folk who won’t accept the democratic decision of the people in a referendum.

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It wasn't democratic if people were lied to or given false information, and people and media organisations colluded to hide those lies from the electorate. We have an electoral commission for a reason, to protect the electoral process. The commission has been made toothless by those who don't wish us to have fair elections. If you don't care that our democracy (which you seem to think is important) has been jeopardised by outside forces then I suggest there's no hope for you.

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Cadwalladr wants the freedom to repeatedly smear Banks while admitting she has no evidence, meanwhile she is screaming abuse and misogyny because Andrew Neil compared her to a cartoon character.

I’ll risk another comparison , how about Goofy !

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Is that the only hook that Russian interference in our country, it's institutions and the ruling party of the country hangs on?

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What about the Democratic right to hold a referendum after winning an election with it in a manifesto?

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Putting something in a manifesto that is beyond the legal scope of a governments powers does not make suddenly legal because of a vote.

Besides SNP/greens got the minority of first votes in the election.

Out of interest , has Sturgeon revealed her legal advice on the power to hold a referendum yet ?

Thought not, but she’s spending taxpayers money on preparing for it, while squealing Scotland’s not getting enough from UK government despite the 10% Barnett formula increase.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Is that the only hook that Russian interference in our country, it's institutions and the ruling party of the country hangs on?

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Don’ know but,

I’m sure they would have loved to see a Yes result in 2014.

Break up UK, and get the the nukes kicked out of Faslane .

There hasn’t been a former SNP leader working for Russian state tv has there ?

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I’m sure they would have loved to see a Yes result in 2014.

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The huge bump in Yes voting from precampaigning levels to referendum itself seems well dodgy, and likely the result of Russian social media manipulation as in the 2016 referendum. A warm up for that. Which is why Sturgeon is sensible to be wary of the often heard argument that as soon as campaigning starts in the next ref, Yes will attract way more than the regular ~50% polling intention levels.

I've never heard Sturgeon "squealing". What channel do you see that on? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by grunt

It wasn't democratic if people were lied to or given false information, and people and media organisations colluded to hide those lies from the electorate. We have an electoral commission for a reason, to protect the electoral process. The commission has been made toothless by those who don't wish us to have fair elections. If you don't care that our democracy (which you seem to think is important) has been jeopardised by outside forces then I suggest there's no hope for you.

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If I remember correctly the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 were all biased remainders, as were the leaders of all main political parties.

Remain also spent about 50% more on he referendum than leave , yet you think the referendum was stacked in Leaves favour.

Thinking back , if there was one event that tipped the vote in Leaves favour, it was the arrogance and intransigence of the EU.

The UK was getting huge amounts of foreign workers coming in and David Cameron went to EU to ask for some limitation powers for a couple of years, that Germany, France, Holland etc had had previously.

The EU said No, and Cameron came back empty handed

I thought at the time, that EU might just have tipped the balance of the vote.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

If I remember correctly the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 were all biased remainders, as were the leaders of all main political parties.

Remain also spent about 50% more on he referendum than leave , yet you think the referendum was stacked in Leaves favour.

Thinking back , if there was one event that tipped the vote in Leaves favour, it was the arrogance and intransigence of the EU.

The UK was getting huge amounts of foreign workers coming in and David Cameron went to EU to ask for some limitation powers for a couple of years, that Germany, France, Holland etc had had previously.

The EU said No, and Cameron came back empty handed

I thought at the time, that EU might just have tipped the balance of the vote.

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The UK could have set out limits on immigration through free movement, just as Germany and France did and still do.

They didn't need the EU's permission for this.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Hi

Don’ know but,

I’m sure they would have loved to see a Yes result in 2014.

Break up UK, and get the the nukes kicked out of Faslane .

There hasn’t been a former SNP leader working for Russian state tv has there ?

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There you go you agree. It could well be that RU have kompromat on Salmond.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Thought not, but she’s spending taxpayers money on preparing for it, while squealing Scotland’s not getting enough from UK government despite the 10% Barnett formula increase.

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Would you use that word about a male politician?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

The UK was getting huge amounts of foreign workers coming in ...

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Do you have an issue with foreign workers coming to the UK? When it seems plain from the experience of the last year that we needed them?

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Thinking back , if there was one event that tipped the vote in Leaves favour, it was the arrogance and intransigence of the EU.

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What a crock of ****. If you want to see arrogance anywhere just look at your beloved Johnson and his attitude to just about everything.

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What a crock of ****. If you want to see arrogance anywhere just look at your beloved Johnson and his attitude to just about everything.

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It's not only a crock of **** - it's an outright lie.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

If I remember correctly the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 were all biased remainders, as were the leaders of all main political parties.

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Yeah, we all remember Question Time and how it never gave any airtime to that nice Mr Farage.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Thought not, but she’s spending taxpayers money on preparing for it, while squealing Scotland’s not getting enough from UK government despite the 10% Barnett formula increase.

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See this is how a democracy works. A party puts things in their manifesto, the electorate vote for that party, they then become the government. That government then spends taxes on something that they told the electorate they would do. I'm delighted that some of my taxes will be spent in the preparation of an indyref 2 and hope to God that it us a success.
I dont really want my taxes spent in HS2, Crossrail, the HOC upgrade, Trident or any number of things that I disagree with but that's democracy for you. Thankfully in an independent Scotland my taxes won't be spent on those things

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Putting something in a manifesto that is beyond the legal scope of a governments powers does not make suddenly legal because of a vote.

Besides SNP/greens got the minority of first votes in the election.

Out of interest , has Sturgeon revealed her legal advice on the power to hold a referendum yet ?

Thought not, but she’s spending taxpayers money on preparing for it, while squealing Scotland’s not getting enough from UK government despite the 10% Barnett formula increase.

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You're all over the place mate.

You ask if the FM has revealed the legal advice on holding a referendum( something which no government does) but you knew that.

You then answer your own question in the 4th paragraph, without anyone knowing(apart from yourself apparently)

Chuck in something about only first votes counting, before claiming the FM is "squealing" about a lack of cash from your pals in Westminster.

Spending taxpayers money is her day job. 🌞

You've shoehorned a swipe about the FM squealing though, so you'll be a happy chappy.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

What about the Democratic right to hold a referendum after winning an election with it in a manifesto?

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The democratic right for a second referendum has not (yet) been denied. Current plan is to hold the referendum by the end of next year. Blackford though has indicated this timetable may be delayed but sturgeon has denied that.

My personal view is that if sturgeon asks for a referendum then it should be granted. I am less certain the request will actually be submitted but we need to wait for that to happen.

Should have added that I expect Johnson to say no when asked and I think that would be a mistake on his part.

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Originally Posted by Skol

Should have added that I expect Johnson to say no when asked and I think that would be a mistake on his part.

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I’m banking on it. The union moving from one based on consent, which I accept it is now, to one enforced by law is great for those who want independence.


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