The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by Waxy

They could cut 3M from their wage bill and still have a better team than they had last season so honking they were.

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It’s not what BIG famous teams do though.

Looking forward to seeing the leaked document later on the proposal. Looks like St Mirren are a No so if it’s 11-1 then one more.


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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

I've not really been paying much attention to the talk of legal action. If they start it, is it to stop them being relegated or is it to gain compensation for being, in their opinion, wrongly relegated.

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I think you’ll find they’ve been expelled.

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

Is the reconstruction plan due to be tabled today?

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Tabled, shelved then binned.

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Tabled, shelved then binned.

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Hi Ann, bye Ann.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

It’s not what BIG famous teams do though.

Looking forward to seeing the leaked document later on the proposal. Looks like St Mirren are a No so if it’s 11-1 then one more.


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No looking very good for them is it?

You just know the 3M will be to pay her biggliest most expensive team ever to play in the champ... but but but this team is too expensive to play in the champ... and 12 months later.. but but but this team is too expensive to not get promoted from the champ.. as if they should get special treatment, praise, or reward for spending too much money on rubbish.

Em that's not quite how it works Ann.. in the same way that paying 20M+ for a stand doesnt automatically make it an incredible piece of design lauded throughout the lands.

It's called cutting your cloth accordingly.

A concept that even since going to the wall, Hearts have failed to get their heads around.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Please please please postpone the lower league games until they allow fans back in. :pray:

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Whilst in our hearts we would all love that, lets be honest, its a real worry for the other clubs and the long term future of the game in Scotland.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

No looking very good for them is it?

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Indeed it’s not but Karma can be a real bitch.

I think if she had just shut her pus and not spouted threats and all her crap some teams may have had sympathy for her. I think any goodwill has gone.

They are relegated plain and simple and I really don’t think anything she puts on the table will be approved. As I’ve said before I cannot see St Mirren, Accies, Utd, Ross County, Well, ourselves or Killie going for less money so it’s dead in the water. Hopefully very early decision so we can see what their legal bid will be.

O as someone else posted earlier. This docusoap is going to be priceless.


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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

I've not really been paying much attention to the talk of legal action. If they start it, is it to stop them being relegated or is it to gain compensation for being, in their opinion, wrongly relegated.

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Since the English leagues have called there’s as is if they can’t finish it they do not have a case as it’s shown it’s the only way it can be done. This is just an ego thing like the wee team nonsense. Pathetic. I can only presume it’s to pressurise clubs into reconstruction but iv a feeling she is just alienating themselves the same as Caley have. Thistle do have a case because of their game in hand but with average points per game they lose out. Just another week of them embarrassing themselves and Scottish football. Relegation is what they need to face the reality of their shambles.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

They're exactly the same with the supposed £3m cost of relegation. It's only £3m because Budge came up with that figure but hasn't once substantiated it.

They might well lose £3m worth of turnover, but they could cut more than that from their wages bill and still have by far the biggest budget in the division - they've already saved their manager's wages for next year. They also can and will cut their other outgoings so relegation could actually produce a better bottom line than last year's. If they lose a net £3m that's down to their own gross mismanagement and nothing to do with relegation.


So far the decision to call the season hasn't cost them a penny so they have no competent claim for compensation at this stage even if there was any legal wrongdoing.

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Absolutely on point here. All teams will suffer a loss upon relegation. Most of the better players usually move on. They are spending circa 20k pw on Boyce, Naismith and Damour alone. If the latter is on a contract he couldn’t refuse, and he was at Cardiff, I imagine it’s a hefty wage. Washington will be on a few bob too. Cut your cloth and sell/move ok if you can and that’s 1m saved. Mind you, 2 of them you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole. That’s hearts fault for handing out contracts way above their means.

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Originally Posted by Devonhibs

Whilst in our hearts we would all love that, lets be honest, its a real worry for the other clubs and the long term future of the game in Scotland.

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It’s only the bottom two leagues I think they mean. The real worry is indeed the very future of the Scottish game. The most worrying thing for me is how many kids will just drift away having not played for so long. That could be the biggest effect of this virus. Only the committed kids will have kept their fitness up and some won’t have done any decent training for six months or more before they get back. A massive issue in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

It’s only the bottom two leagues I think they mean. The real worry is indeed the very future of the Scottish game. The most worrying thing for me is how many kids will just drift away having not played for so long. That could be the biggest effect of this virus. Only the committed kids will have kept their fitness up and some won’t have done any decent training for six months or more before they get back. A massive issue in my eyes.

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It looks like youth footy training can commence again in phase 2 so hopefully it’s not too much longer before we can get them back kicking a ball. Everyone just waiting on word from the SFA.


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Keenly anticipating the documentary, but is it greedy to hope for an interview with Craig Levein on 1st June, once he’s off the Hearts payroll?

“None of this is my fault”, says embittered former hero.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

It’s not what BIG famous teams do though.

Looking forward to seeing the leaked document later on the proposal. Looks like St Mirren are a No so if it’s 11-1 then one more.


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What makes you say St Mirren are a no?

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

It’s only the bottom two leagues I think they mean. The real worry is indeed the very future of the Scottish game. The most worrying thing for me is how many kids will just drift away having not played for so long. That could be the biggest effect of this virus. Only the committed kids will have kept their fitness up and some won’t have done any decent training for six months or more before they get back. A massive issue in my eyes.

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Interesting point.

Also the flip side is more maybe out in the garden/park practicing?

I’ve definitely seen families doing kick abouts more than normal.

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Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel

What makes you say St Mirren are a no?

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Goodwin and Fitzpatrick have already said there should be no reconstruction. They both said their personal view and not the clubs but I wouldn’t have thought they would come out and say that if the club intended to vote yes.

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Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel

What makes you say St Mirren are a no?

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Did you not read Tiny Fitzpatricks comments in the week?

He believes they deserve to go down etc but it’s not the thoughts of club yet he’s the CEO.

Make of that what you will.

Can you really see them voting for 1 year reconstruction with the possibility of 3 or 4 going down??


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Did you not read Tiny Fitzpatricks comments in the week?

He believes they deserve to go down etc but it’s not the thoughts of club yet he’s the CEO.

Make of that what you will.

Can you really see them voting for 1 year reconstruction with the possibility of 3 or 4 going down??


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That’s got to be the thing that seals it for most clubs. Potentially 4 relegated next year out of 14. All for one season so that Hearts don’t get “punished”.

has it been confirmed that the new reconstruction begging plans will be submitted today?

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Keenly anticipating the documentary, but is it greedy to hope for an interview with Craig Levein on 1st June, once he’s off the Hearts payroll?

“None of this is my fault”, says embittered former hero.

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You can read it in his book “i’m a closet hibby”

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

That’s got to be the thing that seals it for most clubs. Potentially 4 relegated next year out of 14. All for one season so that Hearts don’t get “punished”.

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Indeed however we don’t know what she’s going to propose but it’ll be along those lines I would imagine.

So if that’s the case I cannot see St Mirren, RC, Utd, Killie, Accies, St Johnstone, Well and maybe even ourselves going down this route.

The bigger implications are further down the league with teams not being promoted but remaining and those who were mid table being demoted.

All in all Budge has said all along no one should be disadvantaged because if this yet any proposals could affect dozens of teams.

That and the financial implications.

No goer and won’t be approved.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Did you not read Tiny Fitzpatricks comments in the week?

He believes they deserve to go down etc but it’s not the thoughts of club yet he’s the CEO.

Make of that what you will.

Can you really see them voting for 1 year reconstruction with the possibility of 3 or 4 going down??


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Because the CEO is an employee - it'll be the board of directors who decide how they will vote.

He'll make recommendations to his board - it's up to them if they listen to him.

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Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel

What makes you say St Mirren are a no?

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They said so.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Because the CEO is an employee - it'll be the board of directors who decide how they will vote.

He'll make recommendations to his board - it's up to them if they listen to him.

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You would think and let’s hope they listen or have been listening!

Wonder if we will get a Friday statement?


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Did you not read Tiny Fitzpatricks comments in the week?

He believes they deserve to go down etc but it’s not the thoughts of club yet he’s the CEO.

Make of that what you will.

Can you really see them voting for 1 year reconstruction with the possibility of 3 or 4 going down??


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Maybe they just read that bellends post on Kickback where he said close the season down immediately after they beat St Mirren so relegating them.

Karma.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Maybe they just read that bellends post on Kickback where he said close the season down immediately after they beat St Mirren so relegating them.

Karma.

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Ah yes forgot about that.

Going to be all out war if the don’t (when) they don’t get their own way!


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Ah yes forgot about that.

Going to be all out war if the don’t (when) they don’t get their own way!


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I think they'll probably kick a couple of hats, rather than just the one this time and it'll fizzle out with a lot of bluster.

The biggest challenge they'll face is working out what kind of hats to kick.

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Budge is like a jack Russell humping away no matter how many times you tell it off it just won't listen

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Originally Posted by Gmack7

has it been confirmed that the new reconstruction begging plans will be submitted today?

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Budge promised her plan ‘by Friday’ (today), so latest estimate is a week from next Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

I think they'll probably kick a couple of hats, rather than just the one this time and it'll fizzle out with a lot of bluster.

The biggest challenge they'll face is working out what kind of hats to kick.

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They’ll be too busy making cakes and filling the cash cow to help fund the legal bid.


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Originally Posted by jacomo

Budge promised her plan ‘by Friday’ (today), so latest estimate is a week from next Tuesday.

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5 minutes to put together the plan and 3 days to write her statement for their site.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Indeed it’s not but Karma can be a real bitch.

I think if she had just shut her pus and not spouted threats and all her crap some teams may have had sympathy for her. I think any goodwill has gone.

They are relegated plain and simple and I really don’t think anything she puts on the table will be approved. As I’ve said before I cannot see St Mirren, Accies, Utd, Ross County, Well, ourselves or Killie going for less money so it’s dead in the water. Hopefully very early decision so we can see what their legal bid will be.

O as someone else posted earlier. This docusoap is going to be priceless.


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With you there Aldo, so the SPFL now has to brace itself for the monumental legal action coming their way funded by the Duncans of Calimero????

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Maybe they just read that bellends post on Kickback where he said close the season down immediately after they beat St Mirren so relegating them.

Karma.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

They said so.

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As said above, Fitzpatrick came out through the week and stressed that it was his personal opinion there shouldn’t be reconstruction but his board are open to it.

Not really St Mirren saying no is it?

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Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel

As said above, Fitzpatrick came out through the week and stressed that it was his personal opinion there shouldn’t be reconstruction but his board are open to it.

Not really St Mirren saying no is it?

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Well maybe it’s not St Mirren saying no.
It’s pretty far from them saying yes though.
Do you really think St Mirren will say yes we want reconstruction to something that makes alot less sense?

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Boom.

The great thing about Budge is that she is never quite sure what she is saying. She has all but admitted that Hearts should be treated as a special case, and it is obvious to all that she wouldn’t give a second thought to reconstruction if Hearts hadn’t finished in last place.

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Exactly She has now stoked up so much resentment in some Quarters by this nonsense they are a Special Case that it has no chance of getting voted through
So just get a date and tell her that’s the Final discussion about it and she needs to abide by it
If she then goes to Court do be it
But we can’t be held to Ransom and Bullied by one Club
The more she is allowed to speak to people and canvass views the more she will then say she needs more time and use others to further her own cause
She Needs Shut Down as soon as so we can get on with the important planning around when and his leagues can restart
We now have the the Political Blue print of how we move out of Lockdown
Now we need one for Football


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Not seen anything on the new reconstruction offer / plan for a few days now. A hearts friend says they have now got a QC on board i wonder if they have realised its a wast of time and jumped to the last resort Legal. Need to check out keekback see what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

The English seem to be a bit behind us having the same arguments as we did weeks ago.

Heard a few pundits say how unfair it is to relegate teams but I’ve not heard one give a realistic alternative option, when they are pushed they just come back reiterating that it doesn’t seem fair to them.

There isn’t any fairer alternative solution, it’s as simple as that.

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Had a twitter "discussion" with a The Rangers fan who continually said that it was unfair to relegate Hearts. However he could not come up with a decent alternative. I asked him repeatedly!

He could not see how clubs would be disadvantaged be reconstruction. I tried to educate him but to no avail.

At least he did not mention null and void. That ship has sailed.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Well maybe it’s not St Mirren saying no.
It’s pretty far from them saying yes though.
Do you really think St Mirren will say yes we want reconstruction to something that makes alot less sense?

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I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

Exactly She has now stoked up so much resentment in some Quarters by this nonsense they are a Special Case that it has no chance of getting voted through
So just get a date and tell her that’s the Final discussion about it and she needs to abide by it
If she then goes to Court do be it
But we can’t be held to Ransom and Bullied by one Club
The more she is allowed to speak to people and canvass views the more she will then say she needs more time and use others to further her own cause
She Needs Shut Down as soon as so we can get on with the important planning around when and his leagues can restart
We now have the the Political Blue print of how we move out of Lockdown
Now we need one for Football


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Budge's biggest issue is that she has gone hard way too early on so many things.

Threatened legal action before any decision was made on the leagues.

Threatened dismissal if the players didn't accept wage cuts as soon as football was suspended.

You only react like this if you are under pressure. In this case probably financial.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Indeed and not just that, some teams would have meaningless fixtures if a 6/8 spilt was proposed.

I thought that too. I’m sure we will hear about it soon enough and it will get leaked.

She will also be working on the acceptance no wait the legal route statement over the weekend too. It’s going to get very interested in the next few days or week!


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Originally Posted by Aldo

I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Plus Sky would be delighted if we reconstruct the leagues. Would give them the perfect opportunity to re-negotiate the deal downwards plus adding in loads of caveats and clauses around Covid19 that could add further financial penalties onto the deal. No way will clubs allow that deal to be re-opened in the current climate.

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Originally Posted by Real Emerald

Plus Sky would be delighted if we reconstruct the leagues. Would give them the perfect opportunity to re-negotiate the deal downwards plus adding in loads of caveats and clauses around Covid19 that could add further financial penalties onto the deal. No way will clubs allow that deal to be re-opened in the current climate.

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Correct. Clubs know this and will not want to lose anymore money then they already are. However you have to understand that no club should be unfairly treated unless Budge and go can benefit.

Dead in the water before it starts and if for some strange reason clubs vote for reconstruction then there will be almighty backlash from a lot of their supporters.

Looking forward to seeing the proposal and what Budges plans are for saving them.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Correct. Clubs know this and will not want to lose anymore money then they already are. However you have to understand that no club should be unfairly treated unless Budge and go can benefit.

Dead in the water before it starts and if for some strange reason clubs vote for reconstruction then there will be almighty backlash from a lot of their supporters.

Looking forward to seeing the proposal and what Budges plans are for saving them.


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Exactly. The furore if hertz are saved could be seismic. Their threats of legal action I’m sure will have peeved off a few who were still open minded. I would be gobsmacked if reconstruction happened but nothing should surprise us in Scottish football. Ron knows he can’t afford to vote for it and St Mirren are definite nos. The only outcome is increased parachute payments which I think was budges goal all along. How long does it take to come up with a different proposal.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Very odd how quiet it’s been on the reconstruction front. Very odd indeed.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Agreed i get the feeling that the route of reconstruction is dead in the water , they have one option left if that's the case which might explain the silence. Buying time as some have said!
If a legal eagle has been appointed i doubt it will take long to advise on what grounds if any they have to appeal the decision of their fellow member clubs.
Whatever Happens this not Hearts finest hour and making enemy's along the way is not clever.

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Originally Posted by eastmainsmsh

Budge is like a jack Russell humping away no matter how many times you tell it off it just won't listen

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I always thought she looked more like a ****zu.

Stendel in the papers saying he expects hertz to be in the championship next season. Obviously not with the programme. 🤣

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

They're exactly the same with the supposed £3m cost of relegation. It's only £3m because Budge came up with that figure but hasn't once substantiated it.

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The £3m is calculated on the basis that having assembled a highly paid playing squad they had factored in winning the Premiership next season. Not only is it unfair that they have been expunged, we are also denying them the prize money for winning next seasons Premiership.

It's not fair.

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Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Exactly. The furore if hertz are saved could be seismic. Their threats of legal action I’m sure will have peeved off a few who were still open minded. I would be gobsmacked if reconstruction happened but nothing should surprise us in Scottish football. Ron knows he can’t afford to vote for it and St Mirren are definite nos. The only outcome is increased parachute payments which I think was budges goal all along. How long does it take to come up with a different proposal.

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She’s bleated on about losing this and losing that because of this pandemic yet I don’t really hear many other clubs shouting from the rooftop about it. All are going about their business in a professional manner, as they should.

Budge is using C019 pandemic as a smokescreen for their current financial plight and they are using every conceivable trick in the book to get more money, and this includes threats of legal action and threats to players.

Panic mode set in right away and why doesn’t Benny out more money in.... simple because she knows she’s ****ed up and big time.

Hopefully this reconstruction pish can finally get put to bed and then the next saga of what legal action they will take.


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Still struggling to see a legal case. UEFA asked governing bodies to decide the league on sporting merit, SPFL had a vote and it was passed.

I did think they could have a case on loss of earnings but the more I think about that is dead in the water. All 42 clubs could argue the same case especially Hibs as we lost a place.

I do feel Partick might have a case as they played a game less and was impossible for them to be safe, however it goes back to same argument above that was voted on.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Hearts need money badly. These stories will be getting pushed hard over the next few weeks and months. Sevco will continue their two year long campaign to get someone to buy Morelos as well.


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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Their only sellable asset. Funnily enough I believe they are due Celtic money in respect of a development fee for Hickey, which they’ll obviously try and avoid.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Their only sellable asset. Funnily enough I believe they are due Celtic money in respect of a development fee for Hickey, which they’ll obviously try and avoid.


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They will be due money from the sale of Hickey. Nof sure what the % agreed is.

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Still struggling to see a legal case. UEFA asked governing bodies to decide the league on sporting merit, SPFL had a vote and it was passed.

I did think they could have a case on loss of earnings but the more I think about that is dead in the water. All 42 clubs could argue the same case especially Hibs as we lost a place.

I do feel Partick might have a case as they played a game less and was impossible for them to be safe, however it goes back to same argument above that was voted on.

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I can’t see it either. All clubs voted, UEFA agreed and all clubs will lose something financially, more than others. Their issues are they have spent well outwith their means yet again and are now struggling.


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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

They will be due money from the sale of Hickey. Nof sure what the % agreed is.

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Let’s hope it’s not and it goes to a tribunal and it screws Budge and co over big time.

The more I read about Budge and the more statements she pushes out spouting pish, the more I want them to suffer.


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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

Had a twitter "discussion" with a The Rangers fan who continually said that it was unfair to relegate Hearts. However he could not come up with a decent alternative. I asked him repeatedly!

He could not see how clubs would be disadvantaged be reconstruction. I tried to educate him but to no avail.

At least he did not mention null and void. That ship has sailed.

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One alternative is equally or maybe even more unfair on Dundee United.

Another alternative is then unfair on the top 12 who subsidise Hearts

Or Hearts could say reconstruct and we will forego prize money and TV income regardless of where we finish, but at least let us benefit from bigger crowds. This would be the least worst option but does mean 3 teams then go down which isnt fair on them

Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Man City - :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Not like Hearts to big themselves up...................

"Hearts could face 18-game Championship season as Neil Doncaster issues Betfred Cup concern..."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...oncern-2861971


That's not a lot of money coming in through the turnstiles for poor Hearts. It's not fair.

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Originally Posted by Kojock

Saughton Jambo***


Posted*1 hour ago

Since Leslie Deans interview on Sportsound last Saturday then I have been In*regular contact with Les. Les*contacted me personally this morning *via telephone*and asked me to post his official letter to our chairman outlining his views on court action*on his behalf.

*Can everyone please share this on all social media platforms to spread his word as his request?*
*many thanks*

*SJ

*I have copied and pasted*his views verbatim and have removed his personal email address for obvious reasons.*
*As follows:-

*In my opinion, There are a minimum of 3 grounds which would entitle Hearts, Partick Thistle, Stranraer and perhaps Rangers, to institute civil court proceedings against SPFL and the clubs who voted to expel the first 3 clubs
Firstly, the clubs formed a common purpose. In the case of the premiership , that was to play 38 games against each other with club 12 to be relegated after these games were played. A common purpose creates a duty of care to each other. The actions of certain other members breach that duty. Additionally the SPFL must act in the best interest of all member clubs and I believe they have failed to do so. Their actions and conduct are set out in the dossier prepared by Rangers. The excuse given for abandoning the current campaign is that they want to start a new campaign, excluding Hearts from the Premiership. The chairman of SPFL has stated he hopes this can happen by July. By committing to a new campaign with a different membership , before the existing campaign is complete , a breach of duty occurs.*
Secondly, there was material non disclosure by SPFL in their briefing pack to clubs on April 8. As I understand it, no reference was made to the potential rebate claim by broadcasters if the league was called early. Additionally no other options than early termination were presented to clubs who were told this was the only feasible option. It was not. By their actions and omissions SPFL did not act in the best interest of all clubs. *
Thirdly, the SPFL motion was not passed. Dundee FC were not legally entitled to change their vote after it was cast. The motion failed and no further motion has been put to the clubs. SPFL are acting illegally.*
The pursuers only need to convince the court on any one of these 3 grounds to win the case.*

If so, the following remedies should be sought
1- Interdict against SPFL starting a new campaign until the current one is finished, whenever that might be.*
2- damages for actual and potential financial loss stemming from their expulsion.*
3- the expenses of litigation.*

*Yours Faithfully

*Leslie Deans*

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They're arguing that all clubs have a duty of care to each other. It is impossible for SPFL to act in the best interests of all 42 clubs at all times. All decisions will not suit absolutely everyone, otherwise 100% of clubs would vote the same way. Ann Budge's likely proposed reconstruction option is not int the best interests of all 42 clubs. 14-14-14 disadvantages Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar, Cove Rangers who'd be competing alongside the 10 current League 2 clubs and for less money. Also Dundee, Ayr, Arbroath, Dunfermline, Morton, Alloa and QoS will be in a league half made up of Championship clubs and half of League 1 clubs, also competing for less money. That's at least 10 clubs that Hearts won't be showing a duty of care towards.

The non-disclosure of the potential rebate claim from Sky bit is laughable. How any sensible person could argue they wouldn't expect there to be a rebate would be either lying or stupid. If the argument is that they should have been told the £10m figure, why would you hamper your negotiating position by telling people how much you might have to pay back? The fact that the £10m figure has made its way from just being shared with the SPFL board out into the public domain is testimony to that.

They're saying no other options were provided and that there were other feasible options. They've not said what the other feasible options are however it is easy to prove the alternatives weren't feasible.*Null and void would cost the league a fortune in rebates and playing it out instead would mean next season would start late and therefore jeopardise the Sky deal. Any renegotiating will be downwards. The SPFL wouldn't be showing a duty of care to the clubs if they did either of those 2 alternatives. Don't know what other options they might come up with but I'm sure they'd be easy to prove as not feasible.

Through the passage of time since the Good Friday vote it is now undoubtable that ending the league the way it has been was the correct decision. Even Hearts and Rangers accepted this. The SPFL board has clearly shown good foresight and have been proved right.

If they're still arguing about if money or loans could have been advanced to the clubs, even though Neil Doncaster has explained it, none of that matters now anyway. Even if money could have been given to clubs they way Hearts are saying it could, we'd have still ended up where we are now with the leagues called. In fact you could also say that about any of the information that was included or excluded in the briefing pack given to the clubs, it doesn't matter as we'd have still ended up where we are now. Their only alternative to argue against where we could have ended up instead is the null and void they were plotting with Inverness and Rangers. If they're hanging their hat on that being a feasible alternative then they're in trouble.

There was previously discussion about company law saying that a no vote can be changed to yes vote (but not the other way) as long as it hasn't been announced the resolution has failed, which it hadn't. If that is correct then it would be easy to argue the voting was legal. Even if the court determines the voting was illegal, what happens next? Sack the SPFL board, let Hearts, Rangers and Inverness propose their null and void resolution which would be heavily defeated? Then redo the vote on the original resolution and we still end up exactly where we are now.

All seems very flimsy to me.

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They're arguing that all clubs have a duty of care to each other. It is impossible for SPFL to act in the best interests of all 42 clubs at all times. All decisions will not suit absolutely everyone, otherwise 100% of clubs would vote the same way. Ann Budge's likely proposed reconstruction option is not int the best interests of all 42 clubs. 14-14-14*disadvantages Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar, Cove Rangers who'd be competing alongside the 10 current League 2 clubs and for less money. Also Dundee, Ayr, Arbroath, Dunfermline, Morton, Alloa and QoS will be in a league half made up of Championship clubs and half of League 1 clubs, also competing for less money. That's at least 10 clubs that Hearts won't be showing a duty of care towards.

The non-disclosure of the potential rebate claim from Sky bit is laughable. How any sensible person could argue they wouldn't expect there to be a rebate would be either lying or stupid. If the argument is that they should have been told the £10m figure, why would you hamper your negotiating position by telling people how much you might have to pay back? The fact that the £10m figure has made its way from just being shared with the SPFL board out into the public domain is testimony to that.

They're saying no other options were provided and that there were other feasible options. They've not said what the other feasible options are however it is easy to prove the alternatives weren't feasible.*Null and void would cost the league a fortune in rebates and playing it out instead would mean next season would start late and therefore jeopardise the Sky deal. Any renegotiating will be downwards. The SPFL wouldn't be showing a duty of care to the clubs if they did either of those 2 alternatives. Don't know what other options they might come up with but I'm sure they'd be easy to prove as not feasible.

Through the passage of time since the Good Friday vote it is now undoubtable that ending the league the way it has been was the correct decision. Even Hearts and Rangers accepted this. The SPFL board has clearly shown good foresight and have been proved right.

If they're still arguing about if money or loans could have been advanced to the clubs, even though Neil Doncaster has explained it, none of that matters now anyway. Even if money could have been given to clubs they way Hearts are saying it could, we'd have still ended up where we are now with the leagues called. In fact you could also say that about any of the information that was included or excluded in the briefing pack given to the clubs, it doesn't matter as we'd have still ended up where we are now. Their only alternative to argue against where we could have ended up instead is the null and void they were plotting with Inverness and Rangers. If they're hanging their hat on that being a feasible alternative then they're in trouble.

There was previously discussion about company law saying that a no vote can be changed to yes vote (but not the other way) as long as it hasn't been announced the resolution has failed, which it hadn't. If that is correct then it would be easy to argue the voting was legal. Even if the court determines the voting was illegal, what happens next? Sack the SPFL board, let Hearts, Rangers and Inverness propose their null and void resolution which would be heavily defeated? Then redo the vote on the original resolution and we still end up exactly where we are now.

All seems very flimsy to me.

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It isn't just flimsy, it is absolute drivel.

ps. I've got a great deal on a 2 bedroom flat in the Southside - cash only!

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I think you’ll find they’ve been expelled.

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Expelegated.
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Originally Posted by HibbiesandtheBaddies

"Hearts could face 18-game Championship season as Neil Doncaster issues Betfred Cup concern..."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...oncern-2861971


That's not a lot of money coming in through the turnstiles for poor Hearts. It's not fair.

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Their only hope is Mrs doctor Budge spending big again to avoid relegation.

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It isn't just flimsy, it is absolute drivel.

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Exactly - he can't possibly have read the SPFL's rules.

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"Hearts could face 18-game Championship season as Neil Doncaster issues Betfred Cup concern..."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...oncern-2861971


That's not a lot of money coming in through the turnstiles for poor Hearts. It's not fair.

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Would save money on Leveins medical centre

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Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Man City - :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Not like Hearts to big themselves up...................

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Somebody is telling porkies!

Every SPFL club not in the premier division wont be making the same money as teams in there.
What makes hearts think they’re more entitled than a Dundee, ICT or any team to be in there?
They’ve been relegated through sporing merit.
Pretty much they think they’re a special case.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52758938

They took part in a video conference with other championships clubs yesterday

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I’m surprised they interrupted the celebrations on the anniversary of the greatest day in their history for something as mundane as a zoom call with their new colleagues. I do hope their sausage rolls didn’t go cold.

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Their only hope is Mrs doctor Budge spending big again to avoid relegation.

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The Duncans are very angry and if Budge does not succeed with reconstruction (no chance anyway) and then fails to take legal action they will turn on her.

IF she has any sense she should then transfer their worthless shares to FOH and get out or this will cost her more than it is worth.

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They will be due money from the sale of Hickey. Nof sure what the % agreed is.

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They are due Celtic 33% of any transfer fee.

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The Duncans are very angry and if Budge does not succeed with reconstruction (no chance anyway) and then fails to take legal action they will turn on her.

IF she has any sense she should then transfer their worthless shares to FOH and get out or this will cost her more than it is worth.

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She won’t leave until she’s paid Craig Leveins contract up using hearts’ money.

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They are due Celtic 33% of any transfer fee.

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That certain?

Big whack off the fee if true!!!

GGTTH

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That certain?

Big whack off the fee if true!!!

GGTTH

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Was widely reported in the media by various places when he was linked with a move last year.

Edit - just checked stories from around that time and it's 30% not 33%.

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Was widely reported in the media by various places when he was linked with a move last year.

Edit - just checked stories from around that time and it's 30% not 33%.

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That certain?

Big whack off the fee if true!!!

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Read that a few months back he is in the last year of his contract as of 31st this month so not in a very strong bargaining position. If Celtic want him back then your not talking a big fee

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Very odd how quiet it’s been on the reconstruction front. Very odd indeed.

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Done and dusted. Like their vote, they've assumed someone emailed it to the SFPL. The hint something has gone wrong is Allisbarry is not over the twatter zone bumming it up.

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If they do manage to come back up, will they have been regugitated??

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The Duncans are very angry and if Budge does not succeed with reconstruction (no chance anyway) and then fails to take legal action they will turn on her.

IF she has any sense she should then transfer their worthless shares to FOH and get out or this will cost her more than it is worth.

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They have definitely appointed a QC i don't know what firm he is from maybe our legal boys might know . So she is not letting up

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I smell a rat....

The Email purported to be from Leslie Deans doesn't ring true.

if the legal case is strong, why urge all to share all over social media?

Timing is also suspicious the day before the proposal is submitted, whilst those factors have been known all along.

Is this a Hibby legal on the windup?
Or is this just a last ditch attempt to bully other clubs into reconstruction.

I think the latter and their bluff should be called. Legal action (no matter how strong/weak) would be disastrous for Hearts in more ways than one.

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The Duncans are very angry and if Budge does not succeed with reconstruction (no chance anyway) and then fails to take legal action they will turn on her.

IF she has any sense she should then transfer their worthless shares to FOH and get out or this will cost her more than it is worth.

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The insane thing is that this situation has not been forced on Budge.

She is the one who has pushed for reconstruction and she is the one threatening legal action.

She’s revved up the Jambos and given them hope they can avoid relegation. It’s all on her.

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I smell a rat....

The Email purported to be from Leslie Deans doesn't ring true.

if the legal case is strong, why urge all to share all over social media?

Timing is also suspicious the day before the proposal is submitted, whilst those factors have been known all along.

Is this a Hibby legal on the windup?
Or is this just a last ditch attempt to bully other clubs into reconstruction.

I think the latter and their bluff should be called. Legal action (no matter how strong/weak) would be disastrous for Hearts in more ways than one.

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The silence from Doncaster and co has been superb. Veil threats of legal action because they cannot get their own way will not be forgotten.

The SPFL legal team will hopefully have all their bricks lined up and I await this next chapter once the proposal is booted out.

I maybe wrong but do Budge and go think that putting together a possible legal case will prevent things from moving forward?? I don’t. We will see things move in courts soon enough but there will be far more pressing cases (both civil and criminal) than the rattle out the pram tantrum one


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Did one of Ann’s infamous statements not suggest that she had a reconstruction proposal that she was going to email the premiership teams after the meeting where reconstruction was first torpedoed.

I’m sure she said that and was hinting that it was so unfair they had discussed it just before she had hit send on the email..

Yet here we are weeks after that meeting and still we await Ann’s grand plan.

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I smell a rat....

The Email purported to be from Leslie Deans doesn't ring true.

if the legal case is strong, why urge all to share all over social media?

Timing is also suspicious the day before the proposal is submitted, whilst those factors have been known all along.

Is this a Hibby legal on the windup?
Or is this just a last ditch attempt to bully other clubs into reconstruction.

I think the latter and their bluff should be called. Legal action (no matter how strong/weak) would be disastrous for Hearts in more ways than one.

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Its a wind up Saughton Jambo is not a Jambo i did not need a QC lol

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https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.c...roy-macgregor/

Update from Ross County today

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https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.c...roy-macgregor/

Update from Ross County today

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What’s the key points

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Its a wind up Saughton Jambo is not a Jambo i did not need a QC lol

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I'll hang up my deerstalker lol

Aren't Hearts meant to be submitting "League recontruction v2.0" by today at the latest?

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I smell a rat....

The Email purported to be from Leslie Deans doesn't ring true.

if the legal case is strong, why urge all to share all over social media?

Timing is also suspicious the day before the proposal is submitted, whilst those factors have been known all along.

Is this a Hibby legal on the windup?
Or is this just a last ditch attempt to bully other clubs into reconstruction.

I think the latter and their bluff should be called. Legal action (no matter how strong/weak) would be disastrous for Hearts in more ways than one.

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What letter?

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Done and dusted. Like their vote, they've assumed someone emailed it to the SFPL. The hint something has gone wrong is Allisbarry is not over the twatter zone bumming it up.

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Spot on.

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What letter?

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The latter one

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What’s the key points

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Key point for me is its 20 mins long and I can't be arsed. :greengrin

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What’s the key points

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Just listened to it. Not a great deal new in it overall and no question asked regards reconstruction.

Extending contracts for out of contract players who he has no intention of signing afterwards won’t be happening. It’s against what he believes the furlough scheme is there for

Doesn’t expect the season to start until late August or possibly September

They are scaling back on various things to cut costs. Academy will probably have to take a back seat for a while. Expects to lose around 35% of previous seasons commercial income

Not selling season tickets at present until he can let supporters know what they will get for their money

Main points I picked up

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Was widely reported in the media by various places when he was linked with a move last year.

Edit - just checked stories from around that time and it's 30% not 33%.

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Not going to argue over 3%, still a nice deduction from the Duncan's dough!!

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Key point for me is its 20 mins long and I can't be arsed. :greengrin

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Was very informative. Laid out the reality of the situation. Academy shut for a year. No reserve team. 35% reduction in income. With the pars releasing 17 players we are now seeing the effects of this virus.

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Its a wind up Saughton Jambo is not a Jambo i did not need a QC lol

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Really? 😂

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Was very informative. Laid out the reality of the situation. Academy shut for a year. No reserve team. 35% reduction in income. With the pars releasing 17 players we are now seeing the effects of this virus.

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Thanks for summarising. :aok: