Climate change and the impending apocalypse

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Brits fleeing danger in small boats in rhodes. Thankfully Suella and Rishi aren't helping stop those boats

I had the TV on early this morning before work. I rarely watch breakfast TV on but both the BBC and Sky had correspondents on the ground in Spain (to report on the heatwave) and Greece (to report on wildfires).

Obviously coverage of such events is important but do we need to be flying reporters and other associated crew on to the scene when there is ample footage available from local media? I know the flights will be flying anyway but flights are scheduled to meet demand and forecast future demand and the only way we will see a reduction in planes in the air is if that demand reduces. In the days of remote communication there really is no need for people to be flying to business meetings, flying to report on events that don't really need someone there in front of a camera and so on. It's something that has become totally normalised yet a reduction in such frivolous air travel would play a huge part in meaning we can all still have our summer holidays in years to come.

They reckon we could see temperatures of 48 degrees in Sardinia today.

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They reckon we could see temperatures of 48 degrees in Sardinia today.

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Saw that palermo could feel like 46 today. Crazy temps. Wouldn’t be able to do anything outside in that heat

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Some good things happening.


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And something more terrifying.


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They reckon we could see temperatures of 48 degrees in Sardinia today.

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Spoke to a colleague of mine today who's back home in Sardinia visiting family. The thermometer in the garden (localised measurement, so wouldn't couldn't as an official record) was reading 51C at 1pm.

These temperatures (Europe, SW USA, North Africa, China...) are utterly unthinkable.

Tories thinking of scrapping plan to ban petrol cars by 2030.


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Tories thinking of scrapping plan to ban petrol cars by 2030.


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The awful thing is that's probably a vote winner to a lot of people

Maybe just having a bad morning but I think we're doomed. Not in an actual end of the world way but there is zero chance we keep to 1.5c. None.

At this rate, we'll hit 2c or even 2.5c.

And the stuff we are seeing now is just the beginning. Life is going to get an awful lot harder for everyone across the world. It already feels like the last 10-15 years have been a huge struggle. I see little comfort in the next 15 being anything other than much worse.

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I think that decision was unofficially made quite some time ago.

We have nowhere close to the infrastructure to support a full move to electric starting in 2030 and there seems no rush to build it either. Announcing it officially is just a formality now.

I was watching a report this morning about the clean up of the Seine in Paris. The river has been off limits to the public for the purposes of swimming, bathing etc. for the best part of a century due to the level of pollution. There has been work ongoing for almost 30 years to clean it up but this was accelerated with the Olympics due to take place there next year and the desire to have the open water swimming event in the Seine. It's been a huge success. There was a point between the 60s and 80s when there were only 3 species of fish left in the river, today there are dozens along with jellyfish, sponges, marine insects and so on. The water consistently tests comfortably within the recommended safe levels for swimming and bathing. An underground run off reservoir is nearing completion to store and deal with run off and prevent further contamination with sewage. On a local level it shows what can be done when there is focus, a desire and a plan.

Globally a similar focus was seen when the Montreal Protocol was signed to deal with the hole in the ozone layer. Recent studies suggest recovery continues and we are on course to see a return to pre-1980s condition by 2040 worldwide and the mid 2060s in Antarctica. It's not perfect of course but it was a solution that saw 198 countries or territories worldwide come together to cooperate and tackle a problem.

Obviously we are talking about a problem on a far bigger scale but I do wonder if the current situation in Europe and the southern USA will be focusing a few minds. It's a sad fact but when problems primarily impact the developing world then they get far less focus than when they impact more affluent nations. I saw an interesting graphic on Channel 4 News late last night that showed that much of Europe is actually currently experiencing temperatures that are average or even below average for the time of year, including large chunks of northern and western Spain, France, northern Italy and much of central and northern Europe. That's not a suggestion that this is isolated or 'just weather'; if anything the extreme (relatively) localised nature of what we were seeing should be every bit as concerning. There really should be a focussing of minds as the increasingly unpredictable events we are seeing should be leaving decision makers questioning whether we will be next.

Sad to see the fire's in Rhodes. Spent 7 months working there in my youth, also went back for my honeymoon and in more recent years went with the family on holiday where we were based in Kiotari, one of the worst hit areas. My favourite place on the island is beautiful village of Lindos, which is that same affected area.

Hope they can get the fires under control soon. Gotta feel sorry for all the locals who have had their homes and businesses destroyed. Will also have a huge impact on the island's tourism for years to come.

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I was watching a report this morning about the clean up of the Seine in Paris. The river has been off limits to the public for the purposes of swimming, bathing etc. for the best part of a century due to the level of pollution. There has been work ongoing for almost 30 years to clean it up but this was accelerated with the Olympics due to take place there next year and the desire to have the open water swimming event in the Seine. It's been a huge success. There was a point between the 60s and 80s when there were only 3 species of fish left in the river, today there are dozens along with jellyfish, sponges, marine insects and so on. The water consistently tests comfortably within the recommended safe levels for swimming and bathing. An underground run off reservoir is nearing completion to store and deal with run off and prevent further contamination with sewage. On a local level it shows what can be done when there is focus, a desire and a plan.

Globally a similar focus was seen when the Montreal Protocol was signed to deal with the hole in the ozone layer. Recent studies suggest recovery continues and we are on course to see a return to pre-1980s condition by 2040 worldwide and the mid 2060s in Antarctica. It's not perfect of course but it was a solution that saw 198 countries or territories worldwide come together to cooperate and tackle a problem.

Obviously we are talking about a problem on a far bigger scale but I do wonder if the current situation in Europe and the southern USA will be focusing a few minds. It's a sad fact but when problems primarily impact the developing world then they get far less focus than when they impact more affluent nations. I saw an interesting graphic on Channel 4 News late last night that showed that much of Europe is actually currently experiencing temperatures that are average or even below average for the time of year, including large chunks of northern and western Spain, France, northern Italy and much of central and northern Europe. That's not a suggestion that this is isolated or 'just weather'; if anything the extreme (relatively) localised nature of what we were seeing should be every bit as concerning. There really should be a focussing of minds as the increasingly unpredictable events we are seeing should be leaving decision makers questioning whether we will be next.

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This sort of thing is why it is so sad to see such a lack of desire from some people to do their part to help. It is always pretty mind-blowing to see what can actually be achieved when there is a common problem and a desire to fix it.

The growth in climate change denial and the tie in with the right is deeply concerning, especially amongst a cohort of people who are intelligent enough to know better but just too ignorant to care.

More should probably be done to highlight the excellent examples you have highlighted in order to help puncture one of the biggest arguments - that of the sense of futility.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ne...nfirms-2502600

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There's no chance of keeping under 1.5 C now, it will very likely be closer to 2.5 C and then at that point we're still not entirely sure as to what will happen to the various ecosystems we rely on. It'll be survival of the fittest at some point. Learn to grow your own food is one tip I would highly recommend everybody follows.

Yet we will still go out there and vote for political parties that won't do enough. Everything seems pointless really when the world is goverened by idiots that we all vote for. How many people will see these fires and think "thank god that's not us" and then go vote for Tories, Labour, SNP etc? And how many will see almost the entire Northern Hemisphere on fire and think "Green vote from now on, I know my way of life will change but I need to do it"? I'd give good odds on the ratio being about 10,000 : 1 in favour of the former.

Humanity is just intelligent enough to be catastrophically dangerous.

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There's no chance of keeping under 1.5 C now, it will very likely be closer to 2.5 C and then at that point we're still not entirely sure as to what will happen to the various ecosystems we rely on. It'll be survival of the fittest at some point. Learn to grow your own food is one tip I would highly recommend everybody follows.

Yet we will still go out there and vote for political parties that won't do enough. Everything seems pointless really when the world is goverened by idiots that we all vote for. How many people will see these fires and think "thank god that's not us" and then go vote for Tories, Labour, SNP etc? And how many will see almost the entire Northern Hemisphere on fire and think "Green vote from now on, I know my way of life will change but I need to do it"? I'd give good odds on the ratio being about 10,000 : 1 in favour of the former.

Humanity is just intelligent enough to be catastrophically dangerous.

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It's not just the natural disasters that will engulf us. Climate change will force people to move and the diminishing basic resources like food and water will cause war and famine. IMO there's no stopping it now, even if technically it's still possible, ideologically it's way too late.

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It's not just the natural disasters that will engulf us. Climate change will force people to move and the diminishing basic resources like food and water will cause war and famine. IMO there's no stopping it now, even if technically it's still possible, ideologically it's way too late.

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The mass movement of people north will be more than we can cope with.


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The mass movement of people north will be more than we can cope with.

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Vote now to become part of Orkney in preparation.

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The mass movement of people north will be more than we can cope with.


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We need immigration to help with the Scottish economy!

We can't cope with all those people heading north because of climate change!

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And Northern countries will have plenty of problems. Heat waves and dry spells of our own. Heavy rain causing flooding. Long and severe cold spells.

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We need immigration to help with the Scottish economy!

We can't cope with all those people heading north because of climate change!

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Both things can be true at once unfortunately. Politically we haven’t accepted either yet.


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https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/996559

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Gloomy climate calculation: Scientists predict a collapse of the Atlantic ocean current to happen mid-century


Important ocean currents that redistribute heat, cold and precipitation between the tropics and the northernmost parts of the Atlantic region will shut down around the year 2060 if current greenhouse gas emissions persist

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IMO, one of the things that we need to do is stop complaining when folk like 'just stop oil' protest - whether they do it or not, whether it's constructive or not, the main problem is simply the fact that nothing is being done about climate change, and engaging in discussion about whether some hippies are making things better or worse only contributes to making things worse.

it's looking more and more like we'll need to go into full world-war level societal mobilisation in order to sort the problem out in time for the vast majority of humans to be able to survive on the planet.

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IMO, one of the things that we need to do is stop complaining when folk like 'just stop oil' protest - whether they do it or not, whether it's constructive or not, the main problem is simply the fact that nothing is being done about climate change, and engaging in discussion about whether some hippies are making things better or worse only contributes to making things worse.

it's looking more and more like we'll need to go into full world-war level societal mobilisation in order to sort the problem out in time for the vast majority of humans to be able to survive on the planet.

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Agree.

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IMO, one of the things that we need to do is stop complaining when folk like 'just stop oil' protest - whether they do it or not, whether it's constructive or not, the main problem is simply the fact that nothing is being done about climate change, and engaging in discussion about whether some hippies are making things better or worse only contributes to making things worse.

it's looking more and more like we'll need to go into full world-war level societal mobilisation in order to sort the problem out in time for the vast majority of humans to be able to survive on the planet.

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This is bang on.

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IMO, one of the things that we need to do is stop complaining when folk like 'just stop oil' protest - whether they do it or not, whether it's constructive or not, the main problem is simply the fact that nothing is being done about climate change, and engaging in discussion about whether some hippies are making things better or worse only contributes to making things worse.

it's looking more and more like we'll need to go into full world-war level societal mobilisation in order to sort the problem out in time for the vast majority of humans to be able to survive on the planet.

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I'd disagree that "nothing is being done" about climate change.

Perhaps, or even probably or definitely, not enough. But it seems to me like a fair bit is actually being done. My company are investing significantly with a very ambitious target of being net zero by 2030 - in line with Edinburgh Council plans, derived from government plans. Companies generally seem to be doing similar and those that aren't/won't will likely find themselves at the wrong side of public opinion and seeing those results in their sales.

As for JSO, I'm in favour of their cause but I'm just not sure I fully agree with their methods. Disrupting normal people going about their normal day doesn't sit right with me. Disrupting events I can better understand, particularly if they're overly carbon intensive. JSO overall get a positive green tick from me so long as they're only annoying Londoners. :greengrin

Uk has cut quicker than the rest of the g7 in the 30 years, its dropped since that graph to 50 so almost halved in 30 years. Some nations like china, US, Canada and Australia have hardly changed. We are now lower than the rest per capita too.

Much much more need done by us if we've to be net zero in 25 years, although I'm confident Scotland will be before England due to political will and action
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