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Definitely, suggesting that under Ross he was slowing the play down any more than JDH was, or that he has any less crisper passing is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Reaper
I'd wager the last two results and performances would have almost the exact same had JDH been injured instead of Newell.
We’ll never know whether that would be the case or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergus52
I know you are a big supporter of Newell (and his stats) but our stats without him have been fairly positive over this season and last, even if it only amounts to 8 league games or whatever. I don’t think we’ve really missed him when he’s not there.
What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?
It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.
Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.
Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.
But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.
Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?
On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.
Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.
He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.
He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.
I wonder this same thing too. Can't remember if it was Motherwell but I know exactly the match you're talking about. I thought he was great and seemed to have more urgency to get forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
It almost appears like he doesn't have the best awareness of his surroundings to be able to tell when he has time to turn. In saying that, I don't actually think that's the problem and he probably has good awareness, it just seems that way because he plays almost every pass as if he has an opponent right up his ****.
Celtic game in a few weeks will be interesting, as they put pass and have much more possession than most teams
Although the only real stat I’ll be interested in is a Hibs win
So he doesn’t pass it forward apart from the times he passes it forward. :greengrin Maybe just maybe there hasn’t always been a forward pass on. :dunno: It’s noticeable he’s done it more the last couple of games. I think it’s as much to do with movement in front of him as much as it is him being encouraged to do it more. I don’t think there’s any doubt that both of these things are happening since Maloney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
He does what he does very well. I think he's an absolute fantastic player for Hibs, 94.9% pass accuracy against Dundee Utd is very impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Without a shadow of a doubt he’s a very good player for us and I’m a big fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
My point is that his forward passing seems to be really good when he does it and injects a bit of pace in the game. I’d just like to see him do a bit more often as I think it would take his game to the next level.
Agree think he will be a very important player for us going forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I’m less worried about Newall’s passing than his ability to adapt to a quick pressing game.
I think we have been much better without him last two weeks.
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Great player. Who keeps possession well.... it doesn't always have to be forward and as the example given shows he is also creating chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
i agree with you, he seems very reluctant to pass forward until he’s in the final third. Three or four times in the first half against Dundee Utd, he found some space in the middle of the park, the ball was played to him and with no one near him, or putting him under pressure, he first time passed directly backwards to Hanlon which meant we lost all impetus. Instead he needs to be aware of the space he’s in, take the ball on the half turn and drive forward towards goal. That will suck opposition players towards him and allow him to offload forward to a player who has benefited from the space created. If you watch Celtic in possession it’s mostly very positive possession and their players are hard wired to carry the ball forward if they have space in front of them. That’s what we are still lacking. Cadden, Boyle Doig and even Stevenson will all do it at times on the flanks..but we have no one in the centre of midfield who does it. It’s what John McGinn did so effectively for us, and what we are still lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I like JDH by the way, I’d just love him to add a bit more to his game.
I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.
I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.
We played them off the park. Its the first time ive seen us do that to a team since prime Lennon team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
Oh you are a hard one to please, so you are only pleased if the opposition goalie makes some saves ? Besides the fact we won 3-1, Tannadice is always a tricky place to go to, so regardless of performance we performed well and well deserved the 3 points regardless of them having a man short. Also bear in mind the mighty the rangers only hammered them 1-0 the week before at IbroxQuote:
Originally Posted by mal
Happy new year
Did you by any chance have a look at the stats posted for the game compared to our earlier cup win .Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
We almost doubled our passes and our pass completion was at 88%.
We also had 65% poss compared to 35% in the cup game .
Anyway all the best for the future Mr Ross 😉
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Surely you’re no counting the St Johnstone game as good? Our two goals were scored against 10 men after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
To be fair, I think this particular poster is a bit of a donut.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We were really good that day - we’d have won whether v 10 or not. Scored 2, 2 disallowed for reasons unknown, hit the bar and the post. It was as much of a doing as you can give a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I am looking forward to the Shaun Maloney style based on what I have seen. Under Jack Ross there was some excellent matches when he had the team pressing the opposition. On the whole it was a difficult watch a lot of the time. We looked better away from home under JR. I think the remit for signings under SM will be players that can play at a high tempo and have pace.
January transfer 🪟 will be interesting.
I just found it a bit strange that the poster I was quoting didn’t want to give credit for our performance last week because a couple of goals were scored against ten men, whilst referencing a ‘better’ performance where the two goals were scored against ten men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
Yeah you can’t deny last week was good as well - totally dominant. Maybe less obvious chances but a surprising 19 (?) shots last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
We played superbly against St Johnstone - dominated them with 10 and 11 men. In all honesty it was a better performance than at Tannadice - much more goal- mouth stuff …. the things that everybody supposedly wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Surely it’s equally as bad for somebody to conveniently forget that one?
That’s what people are taking issue with - there’s too much agenda driven stuff and things just not being taken on their own merits.
I know we played well at St Johnstone and I’m not arguing otherwise. I just found the post I responded to a strange one, downplaying our performance last week because we played against ten men for 15 minutes whilst highlighting a better performance where we played against 10 men for half the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
I did think the win at St Johnstone papered over the cracks at the time though, whilst I have real hope on the back of last week.
An ill deserved win can ‘paper over the cracks’ but I struggle to see how you can use that term when the team performs very well - it shows they can do it. We’ve proved on many occasions we’re a good team this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
It looks very like the change of face in the dug-out has automatically changed attitudes and ultimately if it continues and those empty seats become filled then it’s for the greater good.
I hope and believe we’ve made a very good appointment but I’m just not prepared to join the “it’s like night and day” gang after 2 games … one was awful, one was really good - and that’s the long and short of it. It’s too early to make any kind of judgement on a rookie manager.
It papered over the cracks because it was in amongst a whole lot of crap (semi final aside). Good performances had become the exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
It’s the change in results that have started to change attitudes. 10 points out of 12 since we binned Ross has got us back on track. If we’d got rid of him and kept losing I’d still be miserable but we’ve started winning again and I like the appointment we’ve made. I have a bit of hope for us again which I didn’t have so long ago.
3 and a half year deal for Henderson being reported as he was at East Mains today.
Wonder if we’ll announce all three tomorrow - Henderson, Clarke and Melkersen
The Jack Ross style was eye bleeding the vast majority of the time. We havent dominated a game like the one at Tannidice since the prime Neil Lennon team. The huge improvements already are so obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
The video hibs put up today showing the 24 passes for nisbets goal at United was marvellous
People really do have a short term memory
If Ross was there that ball would have been haroofed up by hanlon or porteous way back at pass 4-6
Can’t recall the last time hibs scored from dominating possession
If you watch it back it goes all the way back to macey, this brings United out further and we exploit the space in behind for Wright down the left.
It really was a fantastic goal, which sadly some of the dinosaurs of Easter road don’t see.
MALONEYS green n white army!
The vast majority of people can see the immediate improvement. Just one or two Jack Dross lovers on here for some reason. To be fair, I think I have only seen two people still sticking up for him. I cant remember as much positivity about the club for a good while. Looking forward to the continued improvement under Maloney and to actually enjoy watching Hibs again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87