Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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One thing watty got right in that article is the orc hoards won't have the patience to hang around under celtc for years to come, their STs will fall away as celtc get closer to 10 in a row. I have vague memories of the 80s before Souness came in when their crowds were pitiful. No investor with half a brain will put money into the Huns as they'll have no chance of getting a return. They have no credit facilities as such so unless King or Watty himself are willing to chuck millions into them I can't see money being spent in any great amount.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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'Ever' is a big word. Who knows what might happen in the future?

Undoubtedly though, their sense of entitlement and expectation is coming up against the harsh reality of a more constrained short to medium term future.

What responsible custodians of a football club would do is run the club prudently and try to maximise performance in every area.

Oh, and perhaps even acknowledge past mistakes and act with some humility.

Fat chance!

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Originally Posted by ballengeich

It follows a Keith Jackson article in yesterday's Record urging King to make money available. I suspect there's some conflict in the Ibrox boardroom and someone's leaking stories - what a shame.

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This is all about the panic the hun orcs will turn on their board which promised them a £30 milllion 'war chest' which didn't materialise. Now the hun orcs have realised they have absolutely no chance of catching up with Celtic for years the way it stands there is a realisation by the hun board and its friends such as Walter Pish and it media followers the Daily Rangers that they must give the hun orcs some hope in the way of statements such as the one by Walter Pish that they must borrow a shed load of money to catch up. It gives the impression of there are things could be done and maybe if we do this kind of rhetoric.

They're in give the dog a bone territory.

Glory Glory

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Originally Posted by vince1973

One thing watty got right in that article is the orc hoards won't have the patience to hang around under celtc for years to come, their STs will fall away as celtc get closer to 10 in a row. I have vague memories of the 80s before Souness came in when their crowds were pitiful. No investor with half a brain will put money into the Huns as they'll have no chance of getting a return. They have no credit facilities as such so unless King or Watty himself are willing to chuck millions into them I can't see money being spent in any great amount.

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Exactly bang-on !! Waldo and all the rest of his ilk (Sxum) KNOW that no success = massive drop in attendances of the 'Loyal' !. The one and only time they've been successful was achieved by cheating on a massive scale - the 'unfortunate' thing for Waldo and his ilk (Sxum) is that 90% of their support either don't realise that or they've chosen to ignore it ! Their panic is heart-warming !

And as for THIS statement -

'So, there will be that bitterness. How can they forget what happened to them there? You can't forget that.'

Spot-on Waldo - NO-ONE in Scottish Football will EVER forget what THEY did to us and our game and our country - and neither will we ever forget the crimes committed by the GFA for NOT wiping them off the face of this earth thus permitting them to continue to be a blight on our game and Scottish Society in general !

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Originally Posted by jacomo

'Ever' is a big word. Who knows what might happen in the future?

Undoubtedly though, their sense of entitlement and expectation is coming up against the harsh reality of a more constrained short to medium term future.

What responsible custodians of a football club would do is run the club prudently and try to maximise performance in every area.

Oh, and perhaps even acknowledge past mistakes and act with some humility.

Fat chance!

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True, 'ever' maybe is a bit strong but I give them about the same chance as Espanyol have of overhauling Barca as Catalonia's top team.


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Unfortunately, there was no decent journalist there to ask Walter a few pertinent questions.

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Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee

Unfortunately, there was no decent journalist there to ask Walter a few pertinent questions.

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Like, "when do you plan to pay back your 'loan', Walter?"

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Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee

Unfortunately, there was no decent journalist there to ask Walter a few pertinent questions.

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Like 'do you think you would have won a single trophy if Rangers had been balancing their books?'


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Two questions Walter -

'Could you describe Warburton's hat?'

'Did Halliday think he'd won the cup?'

http://thecelticblog.com/2017/01/blo...-club-is-dead/


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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Grandpa Walt is just a bitter Hun, he is fuming when giving this interview but has wry wee smile when he talks about a team being relegated.

Is the last bit about teams suffering and getting relegated a wee dig at Hibs and Mr Petrie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36025815

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Smith is a kok. Only manager in the history of the game to be known by his first name by the succulent lamb media.

What a total ****er. Smith and Murray are at the heart of the Hun demise. Over spending with money they didn't have that eventually swirled them round the plug hole collecting debris like White, Green etc on their way down. And still 99% of Huns see them as heroes who can never be criticised and that includes the MSM as well. The "journalism" is pathetic, no difficult questions and is basically just like you would read in the rangers news.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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Sevco hordes are going to be even more p#ssed of if Van Dijk goes to Chelsea for the rumoured £60m as Celtic have a 10% sell-on clause so stand to get a £6m bonus.

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Originally Posted by Is It On....

Sevco hordes are going to be even more p#ssed of if Van Dijk goes to Chelsea for the rumoured £60m as Celtic have a 10% sell-on clause so stand to get a £6m bonus.

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:agree: big transfer fees from quality players and the CL money is the biggest thorn in Sevco's side. And it will irk Sevco that these revenue streams are achieved with little to no risk to investor capital. Celtic do not need to overstretch themselves to win the league and for CL slush money, and the gap is getting bigger.

Sevco need some mindless investors to risk huge amounts of capital to even fish in the same pools as Celtic, and/or some "creative financial engineering". No serious investor or bank is going to give good money to Sevco based on a business plan whose main objective is to "Stop Celtic winning 10 in a Row" :bye:.

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:agree: big transfer fees from quality players and the CL money is the biggest thorn in Sevco's side. And it will irk Sevco that these revenue streams are achieved with little to no risk to investor capital. Celtic do not need to overstretch themselves to win the league and for CL slush money, and the gap is getting bigger.

Sevco need some mindless investors to risk huge amounts of capital to even fish in the same pools as Celtic, and/or some "creative financial engineering". No serious investor or bank is going to give good money to Sevco based on a business plan whose main objective is to "Stop Celtic winning 10 in a Row" :bye:.

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Celtic also have 10k extra seats to sell which is worth an extra £3-4m a year.


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Don't understand why the the huns don't get Fergus McCann in to sort them out, just as he did at Celtc. They've never looked back.

Only in Scotland would a manager who was hugely implicated in the ebt scandal be able to come out with this sort of revisionist tripe. Seems just like the club he supports and works for that he is untouchable.

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

What a total ****er. Smith and Murray are at the heart of the Hun demise. Over spending with money they didn't have that eventually swirled them round the plug hole collecting debris like White, Green etc on their way down. And still 99% of Huns see them as heroes who can never be criticised and that includes the MSM as well. The "journalism" is pathetic, no difficult questions and is basically just like you would read in the rangers news.

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Sums it up very nicely. There is no such thing as unbiased journalism when it comes to the huns. Walter Pish is allowed to say whatever pish he wants to which the vast majority of what he says is and is printed without question. A hun fanzine is what the Daily Record and similar others are.

Any journalist on the straight and narrow would have treated a lot of what he says as ridiculous and treated it with contempt by questioning him on the EBT's, the liquidation and tried to uncover exactly what he knew of the years of financial duplicity etcetera.

Unfortunately for us who believe in truth there is no desire for truth by the msm and it is full of huns who simply want the newco huns to be top of the pile by any means.

All the while looking the other way when the orcs belt out their sectarian hatred week after week and Police Scotland refuse to arrest a single orc for it when they belt them out in front of them.

Additionally they search for a 'richer' league system while quietly planning to leave their colts in the scottish league which will allow them to keep a sectarian presence in the SFA system.

Hope they do sometime soon disappear into their desired 'richer' league system and we refuse them access to leave behind a 'colt' team to retain a sectarian foothold in our league structure and for us it would be a win win situation. Not only would we have rid ourselves of the vile sectarian songbooks but rid ourselves of the most vile thuggish support in the country and we would have a greatly enhanced competitive league structure.

Glory Glory

First of all, a pedant alert .....

We are fast approaching the 5th anniversary of the start of this thread. There are now approx. 35.9K messages. Assuming each message takes on average 30 seconds to read (some are much longer, some are shorter of course), then it would take about 12.5 days to read it from start to finish, using 24 hours each day with no sleep!!

Like many others I have read every message since the thread started and occasionally contributed, so have we each wasted over a full week of our lives doing that? No chance, it has kept my spirits up when times were tough for the Hibees and although some were worried about (a) them getting off with it and then (b) them getting allowed back in to say the Championship, things did work out not too badly. Though total extinction or oblivion until they met the SFA rules re accounts etc would have been preferable.

And it hasn't ended yet, I'm sure there's more fun still to come with the GASL.

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PS If someone wants to do a sponsored thread read to raise money for a suitable charity then I will be happy to make a financial contribution :greengrin

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First of all, a pedant alert .....

We are fast approaching the 5th anniversary of the start of this thread. There are now approx. 35.9K messages. Assuming each message takes on average 30 seconds to read (some are much longer, some are shorter of course), then it would take about 12.5 days to read it from start to finish, using 24 hours each day with no sleep!!

Like many others I have read every message since the thread started and occasionally contributed, so have we each wasted over a full week of our lives doing that? No chance, it has kept my spirits up when times were tough for the Hibees and although some were worried about (a) them getting off with it and then (b) them getting allowed back in to say the Championship, things did work out not too badly. Though total extinction or oblivion until they met the SFA rules re accounts etc would have been preferable.

And it hasn't ended yet, I'm sure there's more fun still to come with the GASL.

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PS If someone wants to do a sponsored thread read to raise money for a suitable charity then I will be happy to make a financial contribution :greengrin

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You do realise that Johnny Hun is now going to start blaming the whole thing on pedants now that you have flagged this minority group up? I imagine Sally McCoist will be demanding a list of pedants names so they can be exposed for their anti - Hunnery.

Pedants? they're worse than those Kaffliks we keep hearing about.

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You do realise that Johnny Hun is now going to start blaming the whole thing on pedants now that you have flagged this minority group up? I imagine Sally McCoist will be demanding a list of pedants names so they can be exposed for their anti - Hunnery.

Pedants? they're worse than those Kaffliks we keep hearing about.

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But I'm a Proddie Pedant where do they fit in?

If the admins get an FOI request from Sally then please note I know a good lawyer and I'll find out where HE stays
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

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He will need to be a very impressive manager. Sevco have a wage bill of £8m pa compared with Celtic at about £35m pa. that's a very big gap he is going to have to overcome. On top of that, Sevco can't even afford the £8m and are running at a loss to stay there.
Celtic are sitting on quite a pile of saving now so can up their spend if it looks like getting tight.
And the longer it takes for them to get competitive, the more their fans will walk away, increasing the gap between the two. They are in a death spiral and they need to pull up pretty quick if they want to save their new club.


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Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

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Nah, Leicester are a well run club with good money behind them, they have a world class manager and some of their signing like Mahrez turned out to be amazing. The rangers have none of that, they are run by a crook and liar, they have no money behind them, even if they could get a decent manage he will be able to spend the 2nd largest amount next to celtc but how to you attract players? Celtc use the CL as a carrot to lure the players they have. There is no way back for the hun, they are a spent force in Scottish Football, they may win the league again one day, but that day will not be in the next 10 years imho. As celtc gain pace towards the 10 in a row, their STs will take a nose dive putting them under more financial trouble, they may even go through subsequent administration events or even liquidation (here's hoping!). They may win a cup or two but not the league.

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Nah, Leicester are a well run club with good money behind them, they have a world class manager and some of their signing like Mahrez turned out to be amazing. The rangers have none of that, they are run by a crook and liar, they have no money behind them, even if they could get a decent manage he will be able to spend the 2nd largest amount next to celtc but how to you attract players? Celtc use the CL as a carrot to lure the players they have. There is no way back for the hun, they are a spent force in Scottish Football, they may win the league again one day, but that day will not be in the next 10 years imho. As celtc gain pace towards the 10 in a row, their STs will take a nose dive putting them under more financial trouble, they may even go through subsequent administration events or even liquidation (here's hoping!). They may win a cup or two but not the league.

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The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

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The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

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i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.

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i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.

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Seems a likely outcome!

There's another bleating Walter article in the Record today and there was a Stuart McCall one the other day, all ramping up the fear of Celtc getting to 10 in a row. Presumably this means King&chums are set for another attempt at getting the 75% vote they need to start diluting others' shareholdings?

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.

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Here's hoping. And if they're stupid enough to shaft HMRC again then it's liquidation 2.