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I would not hold your breath waiting for a reply. Deluded old fart.Quote:
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hahahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
So Budge thinks we should only have 21 teams in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Thats what she said there.
Here’s the blueprint for Scottish football.
I’m Ann Budge and i know best.
I want a 13 team Scottish super league with a eight team diddy league under that.
There shouldnt be any more teams under that so the rest must fold and go find regular jobs such as postman or chip fryer.
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Originally Posted by greenginger
Ah, this was Budge in her prime, happily dispensing wisdom and humble bragging about her multi tasking abilities.
I mean, she still does those things, but the audience doesn’t seem so receptive these days.
Thats why they have been expelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Obviously our most recent statement has made it on Brokeback - good to see the are still obsessed with us on the anniversary of the day we died - bizarre!!
Buzzbomb1958:
Don't tell me the meltdown has begun the Hubs are asking the vermin not to ask for refunds on tickets promising to make it up to them, I hope that's the beginning of these rats starting to hurt tick tock
Says the guys who’s team relies on monthly DDS over and above ticket sales. I’m going to assume he wants his team to issue automatic refunds then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Before anyone, with or without stained breeks, can even consider a loss the problem for them and any putative legal action, is that such loss needs to be caused by a legal wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
At best they’d maybe look at negligence in a duty of care where that has been carried out below the standard of care that any reasonable person would apply. Thing is I’m not seeing that anything, about ending the season, deciding on relegation or not opting for reconstruction, could be considered as unreasonably decided. Also the duty of care part, of clubs to each other, is in my humble unqualified opinion a bit of a stretch :wink:
Aside from highlighting her double standards, this article is a nauseating fawning display from Tom English. He's defo rubbed one out thinking about her.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
As opposed to 11813 threads over the road :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blurry Face
Misplaced arrogance (or perhaps just embarrassing naivety) there for sure. You can tell she thinks she has this whole football thing under her wing with her condescending comments. Just another job done for top businesswoman Budge.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
'Who needs sleep anyway?'
Probably safe to say she's not getting much these days.
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Don't tell me the meltdown has begun the Hubs are asking the vermin not to ask for refunds on tickets promising to make it up to them, I hope that's the beginning of these rats starting to hurt tick tock
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Now pushing the blame on berwick.
The duty of care wouldnt allow all premier clubs to take a big drop in money to keep hearts up.That could be devastating to a club like Hamilton.A pretty small increase on hearts parachute payment is the most they can hope for.They may not even be entitled to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by malcolm
I wouldn't even give them that for 2 reasons. Firstly it's almost like an admission of guilt, as if they've been hard done by, when in fact the season has ended in accordance with already established rules. Secondly, they shouldn't be given a greater advantage over their fellow championship clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Hearts and their £3m lawsuits are funny, they are like the couple who turn up at dragons den with an idea they can teach pigeons to fly, and want £3m for 1 percent of their company.
I’d give them it on condition they now STFU about perceived injustices and all the other rubbish they’ve been coming out with. Basically not another word is said on the matter. Failure to do so and they get charged with bringing the game into disrepute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I’m sure the teams who lost out on playoffs would be interested if that lot get any compensationQuote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Its a good point. Where’s the care be to championship clubs there.hearts are no special case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Exactly. Hearts are not a special case. The fact they think they are just reveals their arrogance and sense of self-importance. ALL the clubs who were disadvantaged by Covid-19 have a case for compensation - including Hibs. In an ideal world, there would have been a pot of cash to soften the blow but there isn't. Clubs are just trying to survive. Hearts desperate threat of legal action is as embarrassing as it is futile - a deflection tactic of Sevconian proportions. Budge, Levein, Stendel, their rotten players and staff will have to face up to their own responsibilities soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
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Originally Posted by Onion
If hearts are given a penny then we should be squared up for the money we ‘lost’ by dropping a place.
Funnily enough, we’re not that pathetic. Infact, if it’ll shut them up, they can have the money we lost.
If they think any of they players are anywhere near good enough for the Championship then they’re in for a hell of a fright.
In what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
Saying they have messed up the whole of Scottish football.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
I hope the SPLF finally put this restructuring to bed. Then we can all move on and they can start their legal case. When they lose then they will be liable for the SPLF costs. I’d be amazed if the premiership clubs agreed to given them more compensation that they are entitled too. They’ve been relegated and now don’t even have a vote as a premiership club that’s why she’s going down the route of 16 clubs. This is not going to end well for her or their club. At least being in the championship she’ll have another excuse not to hand over the shares.
Is it Brechin rather than Berwick? I see them having a go at Brechin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambo
I see they also have a top 5 reasons to hate us thread. Honestly, I despair that people like that have access to public forums.
Add to that, why should Hamilton with a tiny turnover give money to Hearts with a much larger turnover?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Bringing the game into disrepute charge no longer exists in Scottish football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloucester Hibs
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Figured as much. Certain clubs appear to say and do as they please with impunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's actually North Berwick, think they're just working their way round the country blaming everything in their wake, Dunbar are equally to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
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The thing is, could Hibs not have conceivably caught Morherwell and Aberdeen? Could they not have caught the huns?Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
The fact is every club can take a super optimistic view of where they might had finished given an amazing end to the season.
But the league cant be finished like that, and so the closest they can come is to use past performance as the best indicators of future performance, i.e. av points per game.
Its not perfect, and most clubs can claim a level of injustice, but it is the most accurate way to still award league places based on sporting merit.
Ive said right from the start its the fairest way, despite it costing Hibs.
Ok, Ann we've restructured the SPFL. Happy now ? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lucky
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Originally Posted by James Stephen
It really is that simple.
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Originally Posted by AltheHibby
That’s really sad. What a desperate, small-minded bunch.
It was highly unlikely but, mathematically, we could still have finished third.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Stephen
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Originally Posted by James Stephen
We were thirty points behind with 24 points to play for, so I'd say... probably not.
It’s so galling. Without us the maroon plums would have been well and truly stranded at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Exactly. If hearts can go to court for what might have been, then every team must be treated the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Stephen
Hearts dont have a leg to stand on.
Could Hearts take Mrs Budge to court? Employing Levein and Stendel as managers must be some kind of offence under legislation covering directors' responsibilities.
Kickback is a hoot
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...icket-refunds/
Sorry, i meant Motherwell or Dons, im not THAT optimistic 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
To be fair most of them are pointing out that Hibs approach is perfectly sensible. Plus one of them makes an interesting point about whether VAT should be payable on the "potential refund" amount given that it's effectively a donation. I won't claim to understand the tax implications but hypothetically if Hibs were to refund 10,000 supporters £60 each, then that would include £100,000 of VAT and £500,000 of income. If all of those refunds were then donated back to the club they would gain the full £600,000 and thus be £100,000 better off? Could this be implemented by offering all supporters a specific opt in to claiming a refund then donating it back?Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
“ On the anniversary of the doing we gave them, what are the ultimate top 5 reasons you have for despising them?Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Let me start with:
Their support.
Their bitterness, and inability to accept, that they are Edinburgh’s wee team.
Bleating on about a game that was played over 47 years ago. In which they gained two league points! Two.
Deeks.
Mickey Weir.
I choose ‘top 5’ because, if I hadn’t, I could have been here all night”
The OP claims he could have been there all night despite running out of ideas after 3 reasons :lolyam:
I accept that the current situation is far from ideal and its possible (not likely) that Hearts could have made their way off the bottom and into a play off place. I would much rather we had played the 38 games and they went down with no cause for complaint (although I am sure they would still complain).
The problems though are that there are very few options and no option works for all.
-Finishing the season whenever we can eats into the next one.
- Voiding the season puts the impact on Dundee United which flies in the face of their sporting integrity and no one should be impacted
- Reconstruction means that 12 clubs who will already be financially impacted are asked to give up a bit more to ensure Hearts and one other promoted club are recompensed. Then we have a situation where many more clubs are at risk of going down next year because we all did our bit to help hearts. Also see above re no one being worse off
There really is no good outcome here and hearts really should appreciate that. Rather than legal demands and threats and looking for reconstruction, they should be thinking about the bigger picture here.
Hearts essentially want everyone else to soften the blow for them, when their current position is all of their own making and arguably was avoidable.
I do feel for the SPFL who have to wrestle with all the above and I even see partly where Hearts are coming from. However, had they beaten St Mirren on that fateful night, I wonder what their position would have been.
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Originally Posted by James Stephen
Fair enough
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But there was still a chance :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
If Hearts had beaten St Mirren and were 2nd bottom they'd be saying **** all about reconstruction and would have voted to end the league. Absolutely guaranteed and them and their fans know it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Their fans don’t actually know it. They are that two faced and deluded they think they would have stood up to save erm a team they’ve hated for the past 30 years. Flumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
They have handled this so badly even some of their own supporters are embarrassed. Tough as it may be they could have come out of this with a bit of credit for the good of the game, and I'm sure their supporters would have helped them take the hit financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
The desperation may well be just that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that financially they are a lot worse than people realise. It makes sense the reporter who spoke with a leading club who discussed admin must have been Hearts. You cannot hemorrhage the money they have in all aspects of the business and be ok . HEARTS ARE GOING BROKEQuote:
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I think her mentioning in the media that the club have/had a £3 million cash shortfall to get through COVID backs this up imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
Their outgoings were reported as £1.5 million a month, or in that region. They’ve also received large multi million pound donations which has been pissed away!
They’ve not lived within their means and this backs up the theory and using COVID is a smokescreen.
No club in Scotland outwith the OF are big enough to cope with that sort of outgoing without a massive influx of cash..... it just doesn’t add up.
FWIW I really hope it’s them and they go pop fir a second time.
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Originally Posted by Since90+2
Everyone knows this to be true.
It’s why Budge’s repeated claims for the moral high ground really stick in the throat.
Oh man, the desperation for some news of financial hardship to come out is palpable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Typing “tick tock”...it almost sounds like they’re pleading.
The word ‘Fud’ was invented for themQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
10 out of 10!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
That's a fascinating thread. It's incredible that they're busy pointing out the SPFL rule book to say that Hibernian will have to pay deferred wages by January while simultaneously failing to remember that the SPFL rules also show that their 'demotion'/'expulsion' was also written into the rules for all to see.
Am I correct in thinking that now the league has been called then they won’t be able to activate the fabled ‘Clause 12’ if they needed to?
Clause 12 I believe is a ted herring as all it does is allow them to defer wages during any suspension. Not sure they could use it to avoid paying or end contracts. They also couldn’t use it for those they wanted rid of but not use it for their potentially saleable assets. Or should that say hickey.
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Originally Posted by Joe6-2
Not necessarily, unless they are doing nuts as well as chips. :greengrin
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/...d-nut-mix-500g
A little less, about £1.24m to end June last year. Of course could be higher now with the cash that was splashed to avoid relegation. On that note I still struggle to get my head round Budge giving that (their high spend) as a reason not to relegate them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Think we had the chat about that before Brog. You have to remember though it’s what BIG teams do but as you’ve mentioned I cannot get my head round why this is a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Don’t relegate us cos we’ve spent outwith our means.
I do however look forward to reconstruction falling flat and her statement regarding their way forward
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The tick tock stuff from them really is laughable! Desperation in its truest form.
I'm not sure the club has ever been in a better place both financially and infrastructure wise. Covid has then come along and one step after the next the club have made decisions that are in keeping with the class at the core of the club.
Not shouting from the rooftops- a calm and most importantly considered, considerate approach looking out for the club, employees, fans and broader society. It's an A+ from me.
So let them clutch at straws. Whilst we watch on, with a wry smile and a shake of the head.
Dundee United for Hearts is a great swap. Similar sized traveling support with the promotion bounce. Will soften the blow for the so called tinpot diddy clubs as Hearts fans like to call them
Well they are certainly nuts!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Football success at any cost to anyone is their motto.Quote:
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1.8m to HM Revenue, was that ever repaid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
George Foulkes wanting Boris to save his Hearts 😂
Johnson won’t even show up for work as it is, I doubt he’ll have much interest in Hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
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Not a penny ....... the CVA 'accepted' paid out 0p in the £ ........ :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Makes it more sickening they are looking for other clubs to help fund their fight and that old Benny couldn't have paid back their non football debtsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wee Scottie Dug
The method used to finish our season was also used in Belgium and France. In Belgium the team relegated were only 2 points from the next team with I think 10 games to go. In France two teams were relegated and the second bottom team were 4 points adrift, the same as Hearts. If England can’t finish their games they will have a similar problem. As you say there wasn’t an easy solution and the SFL has had plenty accusations thrown at them unlike the French and Belgians. Yes it’s unlucky and not what you would want but time to get on with it. As many of their own fans are saying, maybe best to look at the running of their club for answers to their problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Sweet bit of schadenfreude for one particular creditor that CORONA virus has had such a big part to play in their current woes.
Corona Energy Retail £29,729
I had to laugh at that one, karma, a word they like to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
Anyone know why thy owed Stenhousemuir FC 12 gs ?
What they appear to be missing is potentially every club that was not top or mathematical impossible to catch the team above them may have lost out financially. They all had the opportunity to improve their position.
Perhaps 38 of our clubs could take the SPFL to court?
They blame St Mirren for 1986 instead of asking why their team blew it at Dens. FFS a draw would’ve sufficed but they couldn’t even do that. Its a Hear7s trait to blame everyone else for their failings. Budge is now doing exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Stenhousemuir looking to have one of those "special" relationships?Quote:
Originally Posted by plhibs
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The stupid old boot said it was unfair to relegate them as they had spent a lot of money to avoid it. WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Corona Energy Retail£29,729
Prophetic? ‘Karma?’
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Originally Posted by Waxy
I wouldn't go to a casino with her that's for sure, can you imagine the doormen trying to wedge her out the door whilst she explains that all that money she lost really needs to be paid out at the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
Bonkers
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BBC Kheredine now tweeting
“Question: how many @spfl clubs will either be able to, or want to, play football behind closed doors if / when that gets the go-ahead? One chairman tells me any reconstruction may have to be based on which teams WANT to play without fans. Enough for 2 leagues of 14, for example?”
Anonymous Chairman, likely Budge or one of her cohorts. I think there’s going to be a smorgasbord of options put on the table and the arguing and deliberation will drag on and on.
You’d have thought all of the 12 teams in the Premiership will be up to play behind closed doors. The TV money will determine that it goes onQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08dp7skQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
It was talked about in today’s sportsound podcast.
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She won’t even remember saying that I bet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
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The Duncans are creaming themselves at legal action, they have costed what each club will need to pay them as their share of compensation they will demand through the courts!!
It is a done deal as far as many of them are concerned, they will smash the SPFL case in court - wee Leslie has really got them fired up.
Oh and there is only one club safe financially, you guessed it, Hertz. FOH will keep them at the top end financially no mention of the huge squad needing paid bloated wages (even after wage cuts).
I would suggest that contrary to what they believe, Hertz could be one of the first clubs to fall - they really need to get real.
Well after committing to a season ticket once again I’ll have to live with the thought no fans will be there and football may have to go on behind closed doors. What I can’t live with is Hearts worming their way out of this into a contrived league set up to cover over the gross mismanagement of their whole club. My season ticket is for a fair competitive league set up and would not be renewed to fund any shyster set up to dig them out of their hole. I’m sure Hibs and many other clubs will be well aware of what their supporters would think of this sham desperate disaster of a league set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I spent a few quite on a second hand car but sadly I didn’t win any F1 races who do I take to courtQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
By their reckoning it wasn’t your fault you bought the car and it wasn’t your fault you spent thousands and thousands to try and win but you just didn’t. Definitely not your fault though.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoreTheGreen
As for court purposes I’d take everyone else to court as it’s their fault not yours!
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Tom Englisher said I’ve got a strong case 🤷*♂️
Think Newcastle used to run out to Mark Knopfler's "Local Hero".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kojock
Hearts will be able to use "Money for Nothing" as they're in dire straits.
Dont you just love it when the maroon balloons try to use big words
To explain Court Interdicts - they are granted on the Balance of Convivence . Freezing the funds would affect 41 other clubs / parties so I cant see a court granting any such interdict for the convenience of one club / party. The club will be well advised here - be constructive , look for non court solutions and when its thrown back in our face - lets go to court where will get a more favourable reception for trying not to go to court. Lets be patient for a while - time to don the tackety boots is coming.
Hibsarepants but not as pants as his spelling!
The balance of Covfefe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
They often quote FOH as being their saviour in these times, but they only contribute around £100k a month. While that’s a pretty admirable figure, it’s not going to keep the wolves from the door when all it’s doing is covering Naismith and Boyce’s wages and a wee bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Their wage bill last year was £8.2m!
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Originally Posted by high bee
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by plhibs
David Templeton.
They signed Templeton but refused to pay up. Stenny wanted to go to court but Hearts weren't interested because they knew they couldn't afford to go down that route.
Templeton subsequently signed for Rangers. Rangers in turn never paid up the full transfer value agreed because of the financial mess they got themselves in and Hearts were apoplectic about it.
A player they stole from a minnow, that they never paid up for and they moaned they never got the full million from Rangers. Funny the attitude at the time was screw you take us to court if you can.
& before you ask... yes, true story
Would love to hear his justification for this view pointQuote:
Originally Posted by WoreTheGreen
Indeed. The most galling thing is after the St Mirren game virtually every hertz fan thought they were down. The were six off the play off place and were very likely to go down. Their behaviour since has just summed them up. Spend others money then blame every body else when it goes breasts skywards. A joke of a club.I doubt they will avoid relegation but if they do I will be reminding them constantly that we saved them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
Yep. Remember "Player of the Season" photo of the back of some jambo player with the name "Covid" and squad number "19" that did the rounds when football was suspended?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
Yep you are bang on BMQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Run by an orangeman as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
I remember that. Of course they had previous with Arbroath & Andy Webster. A foul club.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacGruber
Anyone else read the kickback thread of Top 5 reasons to hate Hibs?
Someone mentioned the colour of our strip (and wee white sleeves). 🤣
....ok dokey.... blood coloured turd is a marvellous colour,...plums.