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19-12-2016, 03:18 PM
HoboHarry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

I know that bud, I wasn't meaning to complain to you.

:aok:

The problem is when one person messes one quote then there are a series of people quoting. You completely lose track of who said what.

In fact, I'm now not sure you're the person I should actually be responding to :wink:

I'm not and you didn't, I'm not here. I'm invisible.......

:greengrin
19-12-2016, 03:21 PM
Iain G

[QUOTE=livi hibs 1875;4883146]

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Brown's version of what happened.https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...gAs6HpqqdiaR3A

Assume its cos he was a right arrogant sod?!? :confused:
19-12-2016, 03:22 PM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

I'm not and you didn't, I'm not here. I'm invisible.......

:greengrin

Now I have a headache, I think I need to go for a lie down

:dizzy:
19-12-2016, 03:33 PM
HoboHarry

[QUOTE=Iain G;4883217]

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi hibs 1875

Assume its cos he was a right arrogant sod?!? :confused:

If it was that reason then that would be a world away from the belief among some of what the problem actually was. There is a link in post 35705......
19-12-2016, 05:34 PM
The Green Goblin

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Keekaboo - look at my comment 35733 - I responded to Green Goblin but it showed the quote by Renfrew Hibby - that was nothing I did deliberately.......

Yes, I just clicked on reply to post as normal. I promise :greengrin I didn't mess around with anything.
19-12-2016, 05:44 PM
Keith_M

[QUOTE=The Green Goblin;4883314]

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Keekaboo - look at my comment 35733 - I responded to Green Goblin but it showed the quote by Renfrew Hibby - that was nothing I did deliberately.......
Yes, I just clicked on reply to post as normal. I promise :greengrin I didn't mess around with anything.

See, I can do it as well :wink:
19-12-2016, 05:48 PM
HoboHarry

So Keekaboo you have a German keyboard, Green Goblin has a Portuguese keyboard and I have an American keyboard. This is a multi-nation, international scale problem.......
19-12-2016, 05:50 PM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

So Keekaboo you have a German keyboard, Green Goblin has a Portuguese keyboard and I have an American keyboard. This is a multi-nation, international scale problem.......

Ay Caramba!
19-12-2016, 06:40 PM
johnbc70

I remember the Richard Gough chants in the 90s when we played Rangers at ER. Sure most do.
19-12-2016, 06:43 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

I remember the Richard Gough chants in the 90s when we played Rangers at ER. Sure most do.

I remember it really well from the 93 LC Final.

I presumed there was no substance to it and it was just typical baiting of the opposition.
19-12-2016, 06:45 PM
Hibernia&Alba

This seems like a good time for my "when can we expect them to go bust again" question :greengrin
19-12-2016, 06:48 PM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

This seems like a good time for my "when can we expect them to go bust again" question :greengrin

What do you mean 'again'?

This is a different Club

:offski:

:greengrin
19-12-2016, 06:51 PM
Hibernia&Alba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

What do you mean 'again'?

This is a different Club

:offski:

:greengrin

It's the same fans; that's good enough :agree:
19-12-2016, 07:27 PM
magpie1892

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

I presumed there was no substance to it and it was just typical baiting of the opposition.

It wasn't.
19-12-2016, 07:36 PM
Bostonhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

I remember it really well from the 93 LC Final.

I presumed there was no substance to it and it was just typical baiting of the opposition.

Unfortunately I remember that final only too well, and the singing.

With hindsight I reckon the suggestion is that the "loyal" media did then what we now know they are very good at?:dunno:
19-12-2016, 08:22 PM
The Green Goblin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

I remember it really well from the 93 LC Final.

I presumed there was no substance to it and it was just typical baiting of the opposition.

I was at that final too. I suppose we should count our lucky stars that (unlike earlier this year) they didn't respond to all the "baiting", "goading" and "verbal abuse" by running onto the park and battering our lads.
19-12-2016, 11:22 PM
CyberSauzee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

I remember it really well from the 93 LC Final.

I presumed there was no substance to it and it was just typical baiting of the opposition.

I can remember the tabloid coverage of Gough being caught in a car and receiving a police caution. Just as quickly as it was in the press there was never any mention of it again anywhere.

John James has put it out there again and there's been no rebuttal yet...
20-12-2016, 07:33 AM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSauzee

I can remember the tabloid coverage of Gough being caught in a car and receiving a police caution. Just as quickly as it was in the press there was never any mention of it again anywhere.

John James has put it out there again and there's been no rebuttal yet...

Can you remember what the caution was for?

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20-12-2016, 07:39 AM
Springbank

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

Now I have a headache, I think I need to go for a lie down

:dizzy:

Yeah I'm like "but is it the same quote, with all the history of the original quote retained? Or is it a Newquote? And if the quote is deleted would that be a 15 point penalty, or 25?"
20-12-2016, 07:59 AM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by Springbank

Yeah I'm like "but is it the same quote, with all the history of the original quote retained? Or is it a Newquote? And if the quote is deleted would that be a 15 point penalty, or 25?"

:faf:
20-12-2016, 08:07 AM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSauzee

I can remember the tabloid coverage of Gough being caught in a car and receiving a police caution. Just as quickly as it was in the press there was never any mention of it again anywhere.

John James has put it out there again and there's been no rebuttal yet...

I may not be fully aware of all the allegations, but from what I can see JJ's 'outing' of Gough is disgraceful.

So what if he enjoyed the company of rent boys? So long as it was consensual, what business is it of anyone else's?

JJ seems to be linking it to the emerging abuse scandal, yet I've not seen any allegations that Gough was involved in that at all.

His name is being dragged through the mud here. Is it really necessary?
20-12-2016, 08:11 AM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacomo

I may not be fully aware of all the allegations, but from what I can see JJ's 'outing' of Gough is disgraceful.

So what if he enjoyed the company of rent boys? So long as it was consensual, what business is it of anyone else's?

JJ seems to be linking it to the emerging abuse scandal, yet I've not seen any allegations that Gough was involved in that at all.

His name is being dragged through the mud here. Is it really necessary?

Yeah, I find the whole thing disgusting, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's committed an offence of any kind... or that it was done without the consent of the other party, which would make it sexual abuse.

Is there any suggestion the boys were under age?
20-12-2016, 08:13 AM
Betty Boop

I'm surprised folk take any notice of John James who quite clearly has an obsession with Rangers and an agenda. No right in the heid.
20-12-2016, 08:25 AM
northstandhibby

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Originally Posted by Betty Boop

I'm surprised folk take any notice of John James who quite clearly has an obsession with Rangers and an agenda. No right in the heid.

In contrast I think it's great people are keeping tabs on what's happening with the rangers. They are a poison to our game allied with their puppet smsm and some at the governing bodies. They have a crooked lying king in charge who should never have passed any fit and proper persons checks. Their supporters constantly sing sectarian hatred and let off smokebombs and fireworks without anything done about it.

I think the likes of JohnJames are to be congratulated not put down because they highlight possible wrongdoing by the rangers.

Glory Glory
20-12-2016, 08:26 AM
brog

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Originally Posted by snedzuk

Its an interesting read but given the mixing of 'tortuous' and 'tortious' and the errors in font sizes on the contents page maybe not as genuine as it purports to be.

"Tortious interference" is the correct term, there's no mix up here.
20-12-2016, 08:28 AM
northstandhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacomo

I may not be fully aware of all the allegations, but from what I can see JJ's 'outing' of Gough is disgraceful.

So what if he enjoyed the company of rent boys? So long as it was consensual, what business is it of anyone else's?

JJ seems to be linking it to the emerging abuse scandal, yet I've not seen any allegations that Gough was involved in that at all.

His name is being dragged through the mud here. Is it really necessary?

:top marks

If it was consensual and they were not underage then it is no-one else's business. If Craig Brown suspects RG did anything criminal as per underage then he should have reported RG if not then Craig Brown was wrongful to act in the way he did.
20-12-2016, 08:29 AM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekaboo

Yeah, I find the whole thing disgusting, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's committed an offence of any kind... or that it was done without the consent of the other party, which would make it sexual abuse.

Is there any suggestion the boys were under age?

See post 35705

JJ stated that there was a belief that one of the boys was 15 at the time.....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/10...you-were-here/
20-12-2016, 08:44 AM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by northstandhibby

:top marks

If it was consensual and they were not underage then it is no-one else's business. If Craig Brown suspects RG did anything criminal as per underage then he should have reported RG if not then Craig Brown was wrongful to act in the way he did.

I pretty much agree & I believe the key word is consensual. However we must remember at the time of these alleged occurrences Gough was Rangers & Scotland captain. He potentially had the opportunity to use ( or abuse ) his highly regarded position to unduly influence events. There's a myriad of laws which can be used to charge someone with taking advantage of a ( possibly vulnerable ) person & they're not all predicated on that person's age. I think the main point here though is if nothing wrong took place then why was there this alleged cover up, to which Craig Brown also seems to be referring? Like Watergate the cover up may end up being more problematic than the offence. As for Craig Brown, I've been in his company on several occasions & he's an intelligent & witty man but he's always been a self-serving publicist. Time for him to put up or shut up.
20-12-2016, 08:54 AM
northstandhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

I pretty much agree & I believe the key word is consensual. However we must remember at the time of these alleged occurrences Gough was Rangers & Scotland captain. He potentially had the opportunity to use ( or abuse ) his highly regarded position to unduly influence events. There's a myriad of laws which can be used to charge someone with taking advantage of a ( possibly vulnerable ) person & they're not all predicated on that person's age. I think the main point here though is if nothing wrong took place then why was there this alleged cover up, to which Craig Brown also seems to be referring? Like Watergate the cover up may end up being more problematic than the offence. As for Craig Brown, I've been in his company on several occasions & he's an intelligent & witty man but he's always been a self-serving publicist. Time for him to put up or shut up.

Great points well put. It may not have been as simplistic as simply paying for sex with appropriately aged adults for if it was Craig Brown was wrongful to judge RG. Craig Brown has left a lot of question marks with his shrouded remarks regarding RG and as you say should enlighten us or never have spoken about it at all.

Glory Glory
20-12-2016, 09:53 AM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

See post 35705

JJ stated that there was a belief that one of the boys was 15 at the time.....

https://johnjamessite.com/2016/12/10...you-were-here/

That is worded very vaguely and no evidence provided.

He says that Gough received a caution, but not what for. Cottaging could be a criminal matter, but lots of gay men have been prosecuted for crimes that, in the grand scheme of things, harmed nobody.

I stand by my earlier comment. Unless JJ has evidence to the contrary, his moral finger-pointing at Gough disgusts me. I get the point about police / media collusion around Rangers, but I find the tone of his piece quite troubling.

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