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Originally Posted by brog

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

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very VERY pleasing indeed

If Hearts are no real threat to anyone else, then why allow any signings to happen? It will not change the outcome and only add to their expenses (even if the choose to play for free)

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Originally Posted by MB62

I had thought about that too. I don't know where the other semi-final is being played but I reckon they will both struggle to attract 20,000 at each game, given each time 10,000 each. As you said, then all other expenses are paid from that, not leaving a lot left for each club. Of course there will be sponsors and T.V. money on top of that but it is not exactly a money spinner for the clubs, until you get to the final itself.

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the asbestos arena :agree: hertz rake it in that weekend the ****s

Hearts can GTF!

The excuses they are giving are laughable!

As others have already stated their average line-up age is only slightly younger then Dundee Utd.

And although they are getting beat most weeks, they are generally only losing by 1 or 2 goals. (except Celtic, Killie, Dundee Utd games). Hardly the embarassing score lines that they are claiming are shattering their young players physical and mental states, or that are bringing the SPFL into disrepute.

No way can the embargo be lifted.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

impossible, gary locke is possibly one of the best ever hertz managers....billy brown said so

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Fairy nuff.

Billy's been places and done things.

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

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Thanks for that. This will come on very handy

Can no-one see the bigger picture here FFS.
The Germans have been too quiet for too long and billy brown is only worried that if they did choose this season to kick off then hearts would be far too tired to see the Bosch off once more.
So the choices are simple, if you don't fancy speaking german, having to drink decent beer or don't want to wear clothes by Hugo boss then it is your duty to ensure hearts get this ban lifted.

If anyone thinks I'll be happy driving a Porsche & Mrs Speingbank driving a nifty little VW Beetle then they got another thing coming!

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Originally Posted by brog

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

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It's gonnae be a long month and a bit for those roasters without any income. Next we'll be hearing that the way the fixtures have been drawn are unfair.

This news Brog is very pleasing, very pleasing indeed.

I wish these ***** had put as much effort into paying their bills !

Should Hearts go bust then the winners of the Championship will rightly take their place for next season. Playoffs continue as is. No real drama there.

It does offer a new place at the bottom tier for a new club giving the availability of their SPFL membership. I wonder if a Newco can be formed quickly enough to qualify for that membership?

The longer BDO take, the slimmer the chances are of a Newco playing in the SPFL set up. I can't see the Lithuanian legal process with UBIG getting clear anytime soon so surely the right, logical step to take is that of liquidate and Newco sooner rather than later?

I'm reading the Sun cos it's all the pub has, but what an arsepick dylan mcgowan is!

Apparently;
No-one foresaw administration
They believed the flimsy excuses for late wages
The players are now "struggling" - obv some help from BB there

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Originally Posted by Fat Penlon

Can someone help me out here please? I was under the impression that a club in administration couldnt sign/register players? If thats the case then why is BJ trying to have the embargo lifted? what difference will that possibly make? They wont be out of admin in the next 3 weeks so whats the point?

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Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

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Originally Posted by Chump

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

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:faf: what a bunch of fannies! They should be freed if they're not up to playing in the professional game.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Next we'll be hearing that the way the fixtures have been drawn are unfair.

This news Brog is very pleasing, very pleasing indeed.

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The fact of the matter re: fixtures 2013/14 is that Brian Jackson could not have hand picked them better

A start to the season that gave hearts a massive cash boost, early, with their 3 most lucrative fixtures as their first three home games (Hibs, Celtc, Aberdeen) none of those away from home.

Of course, the fixture list, like the embargo, only worked in hearts favour if the july2013 yamMasterplan worked.

You remember the one:
Full house every game
Big team
Race to zero by September
Overtake the Hobos by Halloween
Out of admin before Christmas
Rudi, Zal and Naysmith for the new year derby

Not like Hearts to have no plan B is it?

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Originally Posted by matty_f

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

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Great shout mate. Part-time football would definitely bring their costs down and reduce their workload.

You can join the army and fight on the front line for your country at 18! Those army kids obviously don't know how lucky they are, they could be going through the torture of training at Heriot Watt and then playing a bit (not much though!) of football at the weekend.:wink:

The perfect analogy for is the Battle of Stirling bridge in Braveheart.

The English (Yams) are charging at the Scottish (SFA) with everything they have and going full pelt. The SFA are currently just saying "Hold" "Hold" "Hold" "Hold".

Then when their past the point of no return (End of the season) they'll lift up their spears and relegate them!

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Originally Posted by Chump

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

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Boris Becker won Wimbledon when he was 17

Outrageous,they should have stopped him playing in case the per wee soul got tired oot

Given his lack of awareness of the world around him, I think the biggest Health & Safety risk faced by Hearts might be letting Dylan McGowan walk around the place unaccompanied.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

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I think people keep getting the SFA embargo confused with the SPFL rules. The SFA punishment was that Hearts were under a sgining embargo until midnight on 31st January as their punuishment for not paying wages etc.....

What the yams are trying to do here is get the SPFL to break their own rules about clubs in administration not being able to sign players until the insolvency event is rectified....

However at this time if I'm thinking straight they would have to get both the SFA sanction lifted and the SPFL rules changed before they could sign anyone.....

I was a bit concerned the other day that by constatly bleating on about this they would get some joy from either of the two bodies and the other would then have to follow suit but when you look at it it's just so messy that theres no way they can, even if they wanted to (posters on here such as BJ have indicated they dont).

The bottom line is that this comes down to setting precedents (again)..... If the SFA let them off then any team hit with any sanction in the future will make some crying plea to get it overturned and the SFA will have to do so as the club in question will just threaten them with court action on the basis of SFA V HOMFC test case.....

Likewise if the SPFL bend/break/change the rules then exactly the same situations will arise.....

This is even before the potential ramifications to the SPFL of Hearts then winning the league cup and/or avoiding relegation......

If the SFA/SPFL do do something then Scottish football is really up the creek in a barb wire canoe.......

At that point we'd be as well telling the ugly sisters to beat it to England and accepting we will be no better than the LoI.......

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

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It wouldn't surprise me if they have an experienced player(s) who wants away/will be leaving and they want cover for him.

They also want a shot at the LC final.

If they were genuinely concerned with the welfare of 'kids', they would have taken more care scrutinizing a) managerial appointments, b) players contracts, c) the security arrangements at the toilets in the PBS.

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Originally Posted by Chump

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

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The funny thing is whilst the management team are constantly banging on about damaging fledgling careers on almost a daily basis in the MSM you've got one of the players going on about how delighted they are to be getting an extended run in the first team even if they are finding it tough. Conflicting stories as ever from down Gorgie way.

They don't want to sign more experienced pro's to save them from relegation or to prevent their poor young kids from burnout they only want new signings in order to try and beat ICT in the League Cup semi. Thus given them a few more quid for reaching a final.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Given his lack of awareness of the world around him, I think the biggest Health & Safety risk faced by Hearts might be letting Dylan McGowan walk around the place unaccompanied.

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:faf:

:top marks

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Originally Posted by matty_f

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

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I agree with the comment above. Going part-time should be considered for a couple of months...until they go into liquidation!

This is just a thought (and I haven't really thought it through so I am no doubt opening myself up to criticism) but; what if they were allowed to sign some players in return for losing the trophies and league placings they have won in the last five years (despite the fact they have been cheating / financially doping much longer than that). Paying any new players would further drain their resources and haste their end. I am sure that most of them don't credit The Rangers with the trophies that were won by Glasgow Rangers FC so the idea that they should lose the trophies they won whilst cheating shouldn't be so hard to swallow. It would mean that we won the cup but I wouldn't want to gloat. I know they won't accept this because it was all worth it...apart from the wee bit at the end when they go out of existence.

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

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Originally Posted by H18sry

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

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****ing hope not