Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

That's crazy.

I'm starting to find the silence outside a bit disconcerting. We live down at the bottom of a quiet street but it's off Newcraighall Road which is one of the main routes to Fort Kinnaird. Everyday, but particularly at the weekend, there's a hum of traffic as cars are tailed back along that road. Add to that our house backs onto the delivery depot for a few stores and there are planes always flying overhead as they come into land and there's always a buzz. You can always hear kids out playing and people talking as they walk past on their way to Asda at The Jewel as well.

Every time I open the window to let the cat in or out I'm amazed by how quiet it is. The silence is quite literally deafening as it surprises me every single time.

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I'll tell you what is weird, after 13 days of quarantine in my town the air is so fresh it is amazing, like being up in the mountains. Every time I am out on a walK and a car does go by the smell of exhaust fumes is disgusting.

Seen this earlier today

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...UK-winter.html

My two eldest and wife were all in their beds totally ko’d about 7 weeks ago. Off work ko’d which is pretty much unheard of. I wonder?

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Originally Posted by HendoDelivered

Lockdown till June possibly.

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They can **** right off with that. Unless there's SOME provision in there for increased testing and gradual release of people, that simply won't fly. It would cause complete socioeconomic collapse.

Plus, folk in lockdown for 13+ weeks, especially those with young children and absolutely zero escape...**** that. Just **** that.

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

Seen this earlier today

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...UK-winter.html

My two eldest and wife were all in their beds totally ko’d about 7 weeks ago. Off work ko’d which is pretty much unheard of. I wonder?

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There's no doubt in my mind this had been circulating Europe for far longer than the official first diagnosis.

Italian doctors reporting 'strange pneumonia' in November and December and, if that report is to be believed, evidence British 'flu' cases were significantly up in early December.

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Originally Posted by Frankhfc

As for the lack of exercise I'm eating a lot less saving food and water where possible which also has seen a decrease in toilet roll usage and I'm also busy cleaning and tidying the house.

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Saving water? Have you heard something? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Sylar

They can **** right off with that. Unless there's SOME provision in there for increased testing and gradual release of people, that simply won't fly. It would cause complete socioeconomic collapse.

Plus, folk in lockdown for 13+ weeks, especially those with young children and absolutely zero escape...**** that. Just **** that.

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I don't think that's what has been said. A return to normality isn't predicted until at least 3 months have passed, possibly 6 months, but maybe even longer (I'm assuming the reference made by Hendo is to the statement by the CMO). No-one I know is expecting life to return to normal before the summer, but that isn't the same as a complete lockdown.

This is the danger of posters just coming out with one-line statements without providing any perspective.

The compliance and 100% empathy for the those materially impacted by the virus will start to wane from week 4 onwards.

Your state of mind might right now will try to tell you otherwise but the minute the lockdown starts to impact you or your family this is the turning point.

We have millions of citizens who will not, and cannot, cope with weeks on end of zero money and being told what to do.

So what’s the exit plan?

1) create enough time to upstaff and prepare for thousands that will need to pass through the healthcare system

2) create mass testing to proves that the vast majority of the population have either had or for some unknown reason it just doesn’t impact them

3) start the process of getting back to normal.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

They can **** right off with that. Unless there's SOME provision in there for increased testing and gradual release of people, that simply won't fly. It would cause complete socioeconomic collapse.

Plus, folk in lockdown for 13+ weeks, especially those with young children and absolutely zero escape...**** that. Just **** that.

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It does seem overkill if they believe the curve will peak in the next 2-3 weeks and are ramping up the number of tests on a daily/weekly basis.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Saving water? Have you heard something? :dunno:

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Apologies mate. Meant to say saving on Food and Wastage not Food and Water.

Which I add is something that I'll be carrying on after this virus has done its worst if I'm still here anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

They can **** right off with that. Unless there's SOME provision in there for increased testing and gradual release of people, that simply won't fly. It would cause complete socioeconomic collapse.

Plus, folk in lockdown for 13+ weeks, especially those with young children and absolutely zero escape...**** that. Just **** that.

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Some people have no alternative other than to isolate for 12 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

They can **** right off with that. Unless there's SOME provision in there for increased testing and gradual release of people, that simply won't fly. It would cause complete socioeconomic collapse.

Plus, folk in lockdown for 13+ weeks, especially those with young children and absolutely zero escape...**** that. Just **** that.

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I think their would be civil unrest and the government would need the army to enforce it. There needs to be hugely increased levels of testing and release like you say. Germany is way ahead of us on this from what I can gather.

When covid19 is mainly under control their will be the greatest opportunity for societal change since the Second World War. No more will a left, right or centre government be able to ring their hands and say ‘there’s nothing we can do’ regarding any issue whether it be poverty, the over inflated housing market, homelessness, tax havens or reducing carbon emissions to name a few. We’ll see which politicians are brave enough to embrace the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

There's no doubt in my mind this had been circulating Europe for far longer than the official first diagnosis.

Italian doctors reporting 'strange pneumonia' in November and December and, if that report is to be believed, evidence British 'flu' cases were significantly up in early December.

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What I don’t understand tho is if this virus was around a while back then why the massive jump in cases now, and why the deaths are rising now and not back then?

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

The compliance and 100% empathy for the those materially impacted by the virus will start to wane from week 4 onwards.

Your state of mind might right now will try to tell you otherwise but the minute the lockdown starts to impact you or your family this is the turning point.

We have millions of citizens who will not, and cannot, cope with weeks on end of zero money and being told what to do.

So what’s the exit plan?

1) create enough time to upstaff and prepare for thousands that will need to pass through the healthcare system

2) create mass testing to proves that the vast majority of the population have either had or for some unknown reason it just doesn’t impact them

3) start the process of getting back to normal.

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Has to be number 2. If they are not starting to prepare for this now then they are making a massive mistake and the govt could be brought down.


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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

I think their would be civil unrest and the government would need the army to enforce it. There needs to be hugely increased levels of testing and release like you say. Germany is way ahead of us on this from what I can gather.

When covid19 is mainly under control their will be the greatest opportunity for societal change since the Second World War. No more will a left, right or centre government be able to ring their hands and say ‘there’s nothing we can do’ regarding any issue whether it be poverty, the over inflated housing market, homelessness, tax havens or reducing carbon emissions to name a few. We’ll see which politicians are brave enough to embrace the challenge.

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Nobody (apart from HendoDelivered) is saying lockdown until June, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

I think their would be civil unrest and the government would need the army to enforce it. There needs to be hugely increased levels of testing and release like you say. Germany is way ahead of us on this from what I can gather.

When covid19 is mainly under control their will be the greatest opportunity for societal change since the Second World War. No more will a left, right or centre government be able to ring their hands and say ‘there’s nothing we can do’ regarding any issue whether it be poverty, the over inflated housing market, homelessness, tax havens or reducing carbon emissions to name a few. We’ll see which politicians are brave enough to embrace the challenge.

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It MIGHT change the politics of some of those in charge. That would be the main chance of more progressive policies.

I also think that Johnson and Sturgeon are handling this fairly well (Johnson more so since last weekend - complete arse before then) and their approval ratings are high. What that means coming out of this for U.K. and Scottish politics I’m not sure. It might give the push the SNP needs to get over the Indy line. Sturgeon has been very impressive leading on this.

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

It MIGHT change the politics of some of those in charge. That would be the main chance of more progressive policies.

I also think that Johnson and Sturgeon are handling this fairly well (Johnson more so since last weekend - complete arse before then) and their approval ratings are high. What that means coming out of this for U.K. and Scottish politics I’m not sure. It might give the push the SNP needs to get over the Indy line. Sturgeon has been very impressive leading on this.

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Johnson still hasn’t managed to get England of the same trajectory as Italy despite having more time to prepare. There will be a cost for that.


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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Nobody (apart from HendoDelivered) is saying lockdown until June, as far as I know.

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/29/uks-coronavirus-lockdown-must-last-june-warns-government-adviser-12472832/

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I’ve been out every day for at least and hour or so. As the week went on there has been more and more folk kicking about but I’ve not come across people going against the ‘rules’ really.

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I live in the country, and the road past my house has not seen so many people out walk than this week. It's like piccadily effing circus.

America has just given every adult $1200. They will have the money tomorrow. That would have been a better idea here.


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Originally Posted by Iain G

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/29/uks-coronavirus-lockdown-must-last-june-warns-government-adviser-12472832/

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I can't click on that link on my phone, but the Metro article I have just read mirrors what I said in my earlier post as per the Medical Officer's statement. To just say "lockdown until June, possibly" is meaningless unless you expand on it and say where you came to that conclusion. You could as easily say "lockdown until September, possibly"; it wouldn't be any more or less accurate. There'll be a review at the end of the 3 weeks. The country is unlikely to get back to normal within 6 months or longer - that's all I took from the statement, and is no surprise to me.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

Thanks for all the messages folks, my old man has been phoning round people to let them know, one of her best pals died this morning.

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Sorry to hear your news Hutchy, I hope your old mans doing as well as can be. My granny was in a similar sounding situation for years and grandad seems to be over the worst of the humps. There is light at the end of that tunnel.

What do people think is self isolating?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52084653

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

Seen this earlier today

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...UK-winter.html

My two eldest and wife were all in their beds totally ko’d about 7 weeks ago. Off work ko’d which is pretty much unheard of. I wonder?

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We have been debating this as I had some of these symptoms all the way through November & December dry cough temperature, was then put on antibiotics as it was apparently a chest infection. it helped but then I got worse and got taken into A&E they eventually let me out but gave me Steroids. Never have I been that ill took another week or so then I was a lot better. But you just wonder if this has been about for a while.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The logarithmic graph for infections in Italy looks like they may be starting to creep towards a peak.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

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I noticed that they have added the dates of the first case for each country. Now, if the UK is supposed to be about 2 weeks behind Italy, why are the first cases only a day apart?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

What do people think is self isolating?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52084653

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People will be people - ****ing idiots.

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Originally Posted by Iain G

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/29/uks-coronavirus-lockdown-must-last-june-warns-government-adviser-12472832/

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She didn't say that we were going to be on full lockdown for 6 months that's just totally unworkable. She just said that it could be 6 months (possibly even longer) before we get back to "normal".

I can't see any way that the current lockdown will be ended in 2 weeks but at the same time there's no way it will last 6 months.

Quite an interesting article https://apple.news/AtT09mgAfR4-gRo4I8DrcTw

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

She didn't say that we were going to be on full lockdown for 6 months that's just totally unworkable. She just said that it could be 6 months (possibly even longer) before we get back to "normal".

I can't see any way that the current lockdown will be ended in 2 weeks but at the same time there's no way it will last 6 months.

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Exactly. The original post from hendodelivered suggesting "lockdown until June.." just provoked angry responses and suggestions of civil unrest. We need to be sensible about what we're saying here, rather than chucking out lazy assertions inviting panic.

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Exactly. The original post from hendodelivered suggesting "lockdown until June.." just provoked angry responses and suggestions of civil unrest. We need to be sensible about what we're saying here, rather than chucking out lazy assertions inviting panic.

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"But professor Neil Ferguson, who is the Government’s leading epidemiology adviser, believes the UK’s lockdown needs to be in place until June."

Which is just one view but we are being drip fed the news today about June and six months til some kind of normality is restored, all being well. They are resetting our expectation levels.

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Exactly. The original post from hendodelivered suggesting "lockdown until June.." just provoked angry responses and suggestions of civil unrest. We need to be sensible about what we're saying here, rather than chucking out lazy assertions inviting panic.

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Agreed. Any post like that needs to be accompanied by a link to the source and direct quote if possible.