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And you think the bill then just disappears into thin air does it? It would be returned to Holyrood to face amendments.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Kate Forbes, if elected as FM, would not have the power to simply drop the bill. You don't understand how the parliamentary system works.
Not sure you do, the UN Children's Rights Bill is still waiting on a shelf and will I guess never see the light of day again. The GRA will go the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Anyway I thought SNP voters now supported dropping it as it was too much hassle. Don't touch minorities was the line.
I've no idea what SNP voters think of it, I don't particularly care either to be quite honest. I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies in your earlier claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
What do you think happens to legislation after it passes stage 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
If Forbes were to be elected I imagine she'd just let the April deadline for court action slide. She could have voted against the bill remotely while on maternity leave but opted not to vote at all. She certainly wouldn't want the debate on a bill she disagrees with on religious grounds to be reignited in the opening weeks of her taking on the FM role. It would mean a showdown with the Greens but there will be plenty in her party who would be happy to ditch that toxic partnership.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
There certainly seems to have been a sea change of opinion on the bill since Sturgeon's downfall. From the s35 being loudly declaimed as an outrageous attack on democracy there's barely a peep about it now as we return to a wheesht for indy footing.
The bill has already passed. It’s up to the UK govt now. I’d leave it with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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Kate Forbes was one of 15 SNP politician's that signed a letter back in 2019 calling for the SG not to "rush" into legislation that could change the definition of what it means to be male or female. Then we have 9 SNP MSP's who defy the party whip and vote against the GRRB.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Nicola Sturgeon brushes all the legitimate concerns about Gender Self-ID from within her own party aside saying they are "not valid" and told no-one within the inner echelons of the SNP that it was her intention to resign, no succession planning, this can only be described as narcissistic behavior. It speaks volumes of what her style of leadership must have been like.
They can use it as a template for their own legislation:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Except what will UKG have to do? The pressing issue is the judicial review, which is time limited. What do you think happens if neither side does anything more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think all Westminster politicians will have been watching very closely.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Legitimate discussion, of course. Stirring in "trans butcher" type stuff, no. All done by the anti-SNP MSM for political gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Different matter completely to SNP members objecting or even leaving.
Nothing happens. It doesn’t go for royal assent.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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IMO it will eventually passed, but with the bill being watered down with amendments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It’s been passed already. The Scottish parly can’t just keep debating the same issue over and over again hoping the uk govt won’t stop it. The uk govt are not engaging on the issue either so it’s stuck really. There are other issues to be going on with in Scotland. No more parliamentary time should be allocated to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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Its been passed but if the UK government continue to block it, which they will, it will either be returned to Holyrood and then passed with amendments or completely dumped. IMO the former is more likely than the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I thought you said it couldn't just be dumped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
No, I never. Please read the thread correctly before commenting, save us both a bit of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I said Kate Forbes, if elected FM, would not be able to unilaterally get rid of it.
Hint - the key word is unilaterally.
https://twitter.com/markmcgeoghegan/...oOIGi8b42zNGuQ
Why new SNP leader should leave this issue where it is.
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Amazing that it's had the impact it's had at all, when you look at those figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The cost of living and the NHS is by far the most important thing to voters, but they think independence and GRA are by far the two things SNP are interested in with the NHS and cost of living much further back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iain_L/status/1626999201757364225
Could do with an economically astute leader next
Solely down to Sturgeon's intransigence. Turned out, as Rowling predicted, to be her Poll Tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
She's left them stuck between a rock and a hard place on this, whichever way they turn.
Not that anyone really cares, going by those figures thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
They think the government cares much more about it compared to the NHS or cost of living though, going by the other figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
All good now it's in the Royal Assent long grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Why? Weren't you outraged only a few weeks ago when the UK Government blocked it. What's changed your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Is it not going to court thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I think I questioned how devolution could function properly if action was taken against bills just because they might have an impact outside Scotland. I don't think I focused on the substance of this bill. As I've said often enough I don't know the detail of it so I'd be surprised if I made a case for it the way you are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I don't know. Who is the next FM and what are they going to decide?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
So devolution should mean the Scottish Parliament has powers to change laws impacting the rest of the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
This is a great example of devolution working as it should.
All fair enough. I wasn't outraged, nor have I had a change of view on the treatment of the bill though. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by James310