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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Ball went backwards. Should have been "play on" and VDM had possession. Huge gaff from the ref to then blow for time. Another one.

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That's what I thought and was a bit out of kilter from how he reffed knocks ons as he was lenient earlier in the game. The penalty count for second half would be interesting however Italy were good though Scotland performance second half was poor and defensively looked all over the shop. Lynagh try he had so much space did we actually play with a full back. A sore one especially with England winning.

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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998

It’s really not. He has the best generation of players and had failed to win anything. We have gone sideways and with yesterday’s result, have gone backwards.

Time for change as if we don’t then we will continue to tread water.

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So none of that yesterday was on the players. Think we have been good this six nations however no doubt we play in spells. Were absolutely cheated v France also.

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Gregor get your bags packed and **** off back to pail land. You have constantly failed when it matters.

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Harsh :greengrin

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

So none of that yesterday was on the players. Think we have been good this six nations however no doubt we play in spells. Were absolutely cheated v France also.

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Players shoulder some of the responsibility of course but the fact of the matter is this group have the talent to win something but manage to fail when it matters. That is ultimately the fault of the head coach. I can’t believe that someone like Joe Schmidt or Gatland wouldn’t have done better. We need better before the chance for this group is gone.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

That's what I thought and was a bit out of kilter from how he reffed knocks ons as he was lenient earlier in the game. The penalty count for second half would be interesting however Italy were good though Scotland performance second half was poor and defensively looked all over the shop. Lynagh try he had so much space did we actually play with a full back. A sore one especially with England winning.

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Kinghorn had a poor match, the Italian try where they cut through the middle of our back line round about our 22, Kinghorn was miles out of position, I’ve no idea why he was lined up between our outside centre and wing when we were defending, madness

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Harsh :greengrin

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No really Jim have you ever been to Gala :wink:

If Wales v France continues like this then - We are going to either end up behind Ireland, England and (somehow) Wales or we are going to hand England the championship next weekend.

It’s difficult to put into words what an unmitigated disaster yesterday was. Probably the worst of the Townsend era, maybe even worse than the Japan loss at RWC 2019?!

Good game for the neutrals in Cardiff.

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Explain then why it’s utter nonsense!!!

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Yesterday's loss, as with other losses over the last few seasons, was not Townsend's fault. Let down by those on the park.
The only thing I'd question, with hindsight, was not involving White yesterday. Price is past it.
Maybe you'd prefer Gatlandball to try and grind out wins?

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Originally Posted by Scottie

No really Jim have you ever been to Gala :wink:

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Yes was at Uni there 😂

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Yes was at Uni there 😂

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Ya poor bugger. Did they supply you wi portiloos :wink:

Hope you enjoyed your time there. The good people of Gala are certainly an odd bunch but I guess aren't we all to a degree :aok:

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Yesterday's loss, as with other losses over the last few seasons, was not Townsend's fault. Let down by those on the park.
The only thing I'd question, with hindsight, was not involving White yesterday. Price is past it.
Maybe you'd prefer Gatlandball to try and grind out wins?

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Would you not question why his team consistently gives away penalty after penalty with indiscipline. Was it 27 penalties in a row in the second half in Cardiff followed by straight 8 yesterday against Italy ?

This is where top notch coaches earn their corn. You don't see teams like SA, New Zealand & Ireland giving away those ridiculous numbers of penalties. This is because their coaches can see when things need changing by getting instructions onto the players quicker. GT sits there at these crucial moments and does nothing.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting different results. ( Gregor Townsend in a nutshell ) for me.

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Ya poor bugger. Did they supply you wi portiloos :wink:

Hope you enjoyed your time there. The good people of Gala are certainly an odd bunch but I guess aren't we all to a degree :aok:

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Yes had a great time. Guid auld Gala. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Scottie

No really Jim have you ever been to Gala :wink:

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/18...ace-to-live-uk
Two years running, voted the happiest place to live in Scotland.
Something in the water?

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Would you not question why his team consistently gives away penalty after penalty with indiscipline. Was it 27 penalties in a row in the second half in Cardiff followed by straight 8 yesterday against Italy ?

This is where top notch coaches earn their corn. You don't see teams like SA, New Zealand & Ireland giving away those ridiculous numbers of penalties. This is because their coaches can see when things need changing by getting instructions onto the players quicker. GT sits there at these crucial moments and does nothing.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting different results. ( Gregor Townsend in a nutshell ) for me.

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Totally agree indiscipline cost us. But whose fault is that? Elite professional players don't need to be reminded during a game by their coach not to give a way silly penalties. If anything, if such a reminder is required, that is a job for the captain on the field of play. That's not to say Gregor is not communicating and getting messages onto the park when required. Don't base your allegation of Gregor's non-communication on two or three fleeting tv shots of him in the coaches' box.
You clearly don't rate him. I do.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Totally agree indiscipline cost us. But whose fault is that? Elite professional players don't need to be reminded during a game by their coach not to give a way silly penalties. If anything, if such a reminder is required, that is a job for the captain on the field of play. That's not to say Gregor is not communicating and getting messages onto the park when required. Don't base your allegation of Gregor's non-communication on two or three fleeting tv shots of him in the coaches' box.
You clearly don't rate him. I do.

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I was unfortunate enough to play against Gregor right through school to youth level and let me tell you he was a very very special player. We were on many a beatings from him & his teams at 15s & 7s. You couldn’t get anywhere near him. His brain was what felt like minutes not seconds before ours. Even played him regularly at golf over Ladhope & Tordwardlee and again he was that much better than most of us. He was a great golfer also.

I do rate him very highly but when you make the same mistakes every other test match questions need to be asked about your head coach and his assistants as well as the players. Test rugby is fine margins now and anyone can beat anyone on a chosen day so you can’t be continually throwing away leads through poor decisions on & off the field.

Of coarse These are not allegations I’ve made but observations :greengrin

Dont take it to heart mate we can have different opinions & still get on :hug:

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/18...ace-to-live-uk
Two years running, voted the happiest place to live in Scotland.
Something in the water?

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Yes sewage :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Yes sewage :greengrin

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That's beyond the pail that comment. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Scottie

I was unfortunate enough to play against Gregor right through school to youth level and let me tell you he was a very very special player. We were on many a beatings from him & his teams at 15s & 7s. You couldn’t get anywhere near him. His brain was what felt like minutes not seconds before ours. Even played him regularly at golf over Ladhope & Tordwardlee and again he was that much better than most of us. He was a great golfer also.

I do rate him very highly but when you make the same mistakes every other test match questions need to be asked about your head coach and his assistants as well as the players. Test rugby is fine margins now and anyone can beat anyone on a chosen day so you can’t be continually throwing away leads through poor decisions on & off the field.

Of coarse These are not allegations I’ve made but observations :greengrin

Dont take it to heart mate we can have different opinions & still get on :hug:

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Yip, which often accounted for some of his "errors" as a player because his teammates, even at International level, just weren't on the same wavelength.
His game analysis as a player always signposted him as a potential top notch coach and that's what he is.

four game tour of the Americas

Sat July 6th: Canada v Scotland, TD place, Ottawa
Friday July 12th, USA v Scotland, Audi Field, Washington DC
Sat July 20th; Chile v Scotland, Estadio Nacional, Santiago
Sat July 27th: Uruguay v Scotland, Estadio Charrua, Montevideo


maybe make amends for that shocking defeat against USA in Houston six years ago 30-29

Italy hold on for the win in Cardiff 24-21, five defeats for Wales and first wooden spoon for 21 years

Italy stop the run of eight straight wooden spoons

More amateur stuff from Townsends Scotland

Surely see the back of him after this.

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he's not got control of that

they desperately wanted to give them it though :greengrin inc the co-commentator

still 10-6

fgs do the basics

valiant defensive effort

just can't get out

Kinghorn gives it away ffs

advantage after advantage

someone had to go to the sin-bin, Ashman


followed by the try

all the way back from the irish half and a poor offload by kinghorn

So many examples tonight of the difference in quality.

woohoo Try :thumbsup: con good 17-13


17-18 would be lovely ;)

well that knock-on knocks that on the head :rolleyes: FT 17-13

just pleased it wasn't the hammering i fully expected

Only 2 wins though, pretty poor. That may be it for Townsend

Not convinced at all that Porters try should have be given, considering the buggering about over the grounding for the previous penalty.

biggest smile probably went to the Irish TMO that screwed Scotland in the game v France, free Guinness for him for a while i would think