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14-12-2015, 09:13 PM
Deansy

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/cha...ast-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.

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'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.
14-12-2015, 09:27 PM
Jim44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deansy

'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.

This is the extreme antithesis of a huge part of their support who, for the last 3/4 years have vowed, when back in the top flight, to do everything in their power to exact utter revenge on all the clubs who 'caused their downfall'. Even the lying king, with all his (probably false) bonhomie, will not change the mind-set of his clubs muppets. Stuff them.
14-12-2015, 10:18 PM
Ozyhibby

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/sums-sevco-style/

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15-12-2015, 05:56 AM
gorgie greens

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/sums-sevco-style/

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the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.
15-12-2015, 06:39 AM
Onion

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Originally Posted by gorgie greens

the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.

Depends what you mean by strengthen. With a player budget 4 times that of Hibs, all Warburton needs to do is find the right mix of players to win this league. He doesn't need to spend more money, just spend whatever he can get effectively. So if he can move one or two of the higher paid players on (or for money), he might find cheaper players but a better balance. One things for sure, Sevco's squad is thin with some key pieces missing (in midfield) and far from assured of winning any league, so the pressure on them to do SOMETHING is huge.

That's why they need Reagan and Doncaster will dress up as Santa this year and hand Sevco a "Go to Prem" card before it looks contrived :wink:
15-12-2015, 07:20 AM
brog

[QUOTE=gorgie greens;4523416]the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.[/QUOT

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!
15-12-2015, 08:00 AM
greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin
15-12-2015, 08:09 AM
Jim44

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!

While you're probably/possibly right, we don't know for sure how much, if any of the £5m has been paid. We are all sceptical about everything Sevco and we all wish them the worst but a lot of what's being banded about stems from or is reinforced, whether accurately or not, by the bloggers, who are blinkered and driven by their own agendas and prejudices. Like everbody, I initially thought these guys were a breath of fresh air but I've started to curb my enthusiasm for their diatribes.
15-12-2015, 08:11 AM
Ozyhibby

I don't think they have a player budget 4 times that of Hibs. I think Stubbs was being a bit mischievous there, knowing that Warburton or anyone from Rangers would deny it as they need their fans to believe they are still as big as Celtic.
They signed a couple of decent players who have had a great start but are starting to fade already and they don't have a squad big enough. I don't expect January reinforcements.

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15-12-2015, 08:13 AM
Brunswickbill

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorgie greens

the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.

I would think that they'll have to pay the whole £5M to release themselves from the conditions of the loan. You can't get 90% of the security on the SECVO property back. I suspect that the paying off of the loan is an effort to assuage MA/SD with pressure being exerted from SFA/SPFL. But even if/when they pay off the loan they still have to deal with MA/SD as there appears to be a 7 year notoification for the termination of the retail contract. Also the document posted by Ozz indicates that there are mechanisms whereby SD could buy control of the joint enterprise. Clearly the whole thing has become very personal between MA and DK and rational discussion has probably gone out the window. So who knows what the next steps will be.

In relation to the 4 times larger player budget, presumably this is largely tied up with overblown wages being paid to existing players. It's not as if all of the the budget is liquid and available to buy in new players. I would think that the players that they have will want to stay put as they are, with perhaps a couple of exceptions, at best very average players who wouldn't get the same pay at other clubs.
15-12-2015, 08:14 AM
Ozyhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim44

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!

While you're probably/possibly right, we don't know for sure how much, if any of the £5m has been paid. We are all sceptical about everything Sevco and we all wish them the worst but a lot of what's being banded about stems from or is reinforced, whether accurately or not, by the bloggers, who are blinkered and driven by their own agendas and prejudices. Like everbody, I initially thought these guys were a breath of fresh air but I've started to curb my enthusiasm for their diatribes.

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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15-12-2015, 08:15 AM
andrew70

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin

Read that earlier. Should be pinned up on the dressing room wall. Time to show them who really is the best.
15-12-2015, 08:22 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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I can't see any incentive for Sevco paying back the £5m bit by bit. It's not like SD will show them any goodwill for doing so, so it would make sense to wait until they've got the full amount.

I do find it unbelievable, though, that Sevco told a court they had paid the money back if they have not done so. I guess 'glib and shameless' was pretty accurate.
15-12-2015, 08:24 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Read that earlier. Should be pinned up on the dressing room wall. Time to show them who really is the best.

What with their criminal Chairman and a gun toting club captain,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/5319592.stm

Pity they got shot of the Islamaphobic director, could have had a full-house ! :greengrin
15-12-2015, 08:26 AM
Dashing Bob S

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I don't think they have a player budget 4 times that of Hibs. I think Stubbs was being a bit mischievous there, knowing that Warburton or anyone from Rangers would deny it as they need their fans to believe they are still as big as Celtic.
They signed a couple of decent players who have had a great start but are starting to fade already and they don't have a squad big enough. I don't expect January reinforcements.

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I agree, and I think that they are also handicapped by their recent history of paying over the odds for players who are okay by Scottish standards, but still not very good. Agents see them as an easy mark, and they are too full of themselves not to pay the bigger money for donkeys.
15-12-2015, 08:33 AM
Libby Hibby

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin

Must be brilliant to have a propaganda mouthpiece the size of the records to distort the truth...forget the poor form, forget, the dropped points and forget the directors court cases...but roll out a 'we're better than the rest' article to appease the orks...somebody has got them rattled and I love it!!!
15-12-2015, 08:36 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Libby Hibby

Must be brilliant to have a propaganda mouthpiece the size of the records to distort the truth...forget the poor form, forget, the dropped points and forget the directors court cases...but roll out a 'we're better than the rest' article to appease the orks...somebody has got them rattled and I love it!!!

Darren MacGregor should have a word. Time for Wallace to put in a transfer request so that he can join his boyhood heroes.
15-12-2015, 08:41 AM
brog

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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Thanks, beat me to it! Just how do they continue to get away with this?
15-12-2015, 08:43 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

I agree, and I think that they are also handicapped by their recent history of paying over the odds for players who are okay by Scottish standards, but still not very good. Agents see them as an easy mark, and they are too full of themselves not to pay the bigger money for donkeys.

Ranger's accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at just under £14 million and detail first team squad costs at £ 6.5 million.

Hibs accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at £ 3.4 million, and guessing the same percentage ( 46% ) attributable to first team would give our costs as £ 1.56 million.

That's less than a quarter of the Ranger's costs.
15-12-2015, 09:53 AM
1875godsgift

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Originally Posted by Col2

Yes 7 mins from £240!! Ridiculous odds!

Must admit I stuck a sneaky muff on it too after seeing your initial post! Crazy odds!
It was worth it for the few minutes of excitement ☺
15-12-2015, 10:53 AM
Cropley10

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenginger

Ranger's accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at just under £14 million and detail first team squad costs at £ 6.5 million.

Hibs accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at £ 3.4 million, and guessing the same percentage ( 46% ) attributable to first team would give our costs as £ 1.56 million.

That's less than a quarter of the Ranger's costs.

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...
15-12-2015, 11:31 AM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...

Lots of people said that last year and they can't do it unless almost all clubs agree.
15-12-2015, 11:44 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...

Ain't in their gift. :cb
15-12-2015, 11:54 AM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/cha...ast-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.

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If this is genuine, sounds like a job for Petrie. Leeann's got a job to do, don't want her wasting her time with glib and shameless liars.

Mind you, if Dave King invites you to lunch, you'd really want to check he hasn't left his wallet in the car before you sat down.
15-12-2015, 01:21 PM
Brunswickbill

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Originally Posted by greenginger

First one up is this Wednesday. Chuckie Green appealing against decision not to award him legal expenses for his court cases.

http://www.sfm.scot/lns-a-summary/?cid=24598
15-12-2015, 03:14 PM
Moulin Yarns

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603
15-12-2015, 04:20 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

Wonder if they'll put The rangers on the cup if they win it. Got to get it right for their first cup final win. They must be all excited.
15-12-2015, 04:27 PM
Lucius Apuleius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

:confused: Why?
15-12-2015, 04:51 PM
hibs0666

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:
15-12-2015, 04:52 PM
jonty

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:

The cynic in me would sing:

money money money money. money.

Bigger gate receipts?

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