Tavares

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

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Can’t disagree mate, he gets the season to show what he’s got, be class if he changes peoples opinions.


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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Which can easily be worked on at HTC by the fitness team. I agree, but he’s not had a look in and was basically shunned by LJ and has only this month been reintroduced to the fold. I say give it time. I’m not giving up on him yet 👍 one thing, and it’s a bug bear about many players in football, get that hair chopped !! Saying that I wish I had hair 😂

I really want the lad to do well, so I’m all for giving him the full season under Monty and hope he succeeds 👍

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Yeah, likewise - his treatment has been shocking, and it would be great if he turns out to be a terrific player for Hibs. But right now - in his current condition - I don't think he offers much. If that changes in the future, then all the better.

Nothing against him but he looks very lightweight for this league, so easily pushed off the ball and didn't seem to want to get stuck in when needed. Maybe a case of decent player in the wrong league.

Not been a fan of Jair since signed but now anyone can pinpoint him as an issue today is mental. He done nothing wrong. Won a good foul, made some nice passes. Should’ve been played in by Miller for a tap in. Can’t think of any mistakes. Probably the first time I felt he looked like he can compete at this level.

The posts here are off the head crazy. Criticize when warranted.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

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Is there not a space in between being Messi and contributing nothing, that he could try to fill?

He’s brought on as an attacking midfielder/winger and did nowt. Literally nowt.

How long he’s been out is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. You dinnae get a free ride.

If Boyle or Youan had come off the bench and for involved so little they’d be slated, and rightly so.

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Originally Posted by easty

Is there not a space in between being Messi and contributing nothing, that he could try to fill?

He’s brought on as an attacking midfielder/winger and did nowt. Literally nowt.

How long he’s been out is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. You dinnae get a free ride.

If Boyle or Youan had come off the bench and for involved so little they’d be slated, and rightly so.

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The fact you've said he did 'literally nowt' means there's probably no point in continuing.

If you think the length of time without any meaningful first team involvement is irrelevant than I don't really know what to say.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

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I think the reason he was completely frozen out is he just hasn't shown enough. In his start against St Johnstone he contributed very little imo , he didn't close players down , looked frightened to tackle and basically strolled around. Apart from a couple of moments it was like playing with ten men with him on .

Today again when he came on with nearly 20 minutes to go I don't really remember him doing anything other than winning a corner. We can't be carrying any passengers in our side and need our players contributing to the team and Jair hasn't done that .

I'd really love to see Jair make it at us and haven't any high expectations of the young guy other than I'd like to have seen a spark , abit of flair or anything at all to suggest that there's a player there that could make it at us though unfortunately I seen nothing to suggest there is so far.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

The fact you've said he did 'literally nowt' means there's probably no point in continuing.

If you think the length of time without any meaningful first team involvement is irrelevant than I don't really know what to say.

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What did he do that I’m missing?

I was at the game today, I seen a young guy come on as a sub, he done alright, was not expecting him to win the game for us, perhaps that will happen in time, but rather than listen to some of the experts on here I will listen to the manager. If he thinks the guy can play then that is good enough for me.
It was an interesting game and on another day we win by 3 or 4.
Things will take time but I see signs of something good happening.
GGTTH

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Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee

I was at the game today, I seen a young guy come on as a sub, he done alright, was not expecting him to win the game for us, perhaps that will happen in time, but rather than listen to some of the experts on here I will listen to the manager. If he thinks the guy can play then that is good enough for me.
It was an interesting game and on another day we win by 3 or 4.
Things will take time but I see signs of something good happening.
GGTTH

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“The experts on here” chat is brutal patter.

He's a lightweight and does nothing. A total passenger!
Give the boy a chance if you want but I've seen enough.
However I'm happy to be wrong 🙂

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Originally Posted by easty

“The experts on here” chat is brutal patter.

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Is it, why no go back over the thread covering the St Mirren game then come back to me.
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Originally Posted by easty

What did he do that I’m missing?

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From memory won a corner. Won a free kick in line with the 6 yard line. Was in a position to score a tap-in if Miller had released the ball.

The lad did fine today. For now, he is a useful squad player, but I think/hope he will be more than that soon enough.

I've got no real comment on his performance today. Boyle had a bit of a stinker and Youan was very frustrating as well so I don't think it was an easy game to shine in.

More generally though what is Jair supposed to excel at? We apparently tracked him for some time so what particular attribute attracted us? With Boyle it's his pace, Youan it's his trickery and unpredictability, Vente it's how clinical he is. I just don't see what Jair is really good at. He's not strong and powerful, he doesn't look notably quick, he doesn't seem really tricky.

I'm not giving up on him yet as he's still only played less than 2 hours of football all season. I just don't see what it is he is going to bring to the table even when he gets up to speed though.

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Originally Posted by StockholmHibs

He's a lightweight and does nothing. A total passenger!
Give the boy a chance if you want, but I've seen enough.
However I'm happy to be wrong 🙂

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He was physically challenged by two Dundee hammer throwers and came away with the ball. Miller went down for much less. Boyle is also lightweight.

You are correct though he has done nothing yet of significance, but he has hardly had a chance to show anything yet.

Montgomery seems like a proper hard *******, but he also seems like he would give a good cuddle. I think in time we will see the best out of who we have. All the players deserve a new start after what came before.

Bring back Bojang 😜

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Originally Posted by easty

What did he do that I’m missing?

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Probably the same way there's a space between being Messi and offering nothing at all there's a space between what Tavares actually offered today and literally nowt.

He was fine. Wasn't great and wasn't anywhere near as bad as is being made out.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I've got no real comment on his performance today. Boyle had a bit of a stinker and Youan was very frustrating as well so I don't think it was an easy game to shine in.

More generally though what is Jair supposed to excel at? We apparently tracked him for some time so what particular attribute attracted us? With Boyle it's his pace, Youan it's his trickery and unpredictability, Vente it's how clinical he is. I just don't see what Jair is really good at. He's not strong and powerful, he doesn't look notably quick, he doesn't seem really tricky.

I'm not giving up on him yet as he's still only played less than 2 hours of football all season. I just don't see what it is he is going to bring to the table even when he gets up to speed though.

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I just like to think it is a squad game now, and he with luck and good people around him will start to show us what prompted the signing in the first place. Sure that Monty and his crew will get him going even if in the end that is not good enogh for Hibs, time will tell. Happy to let the manager get on wi things for now.

I have to admit I think it's a bit of a mistake to try and will him into something he's not. He's done very little in his time here to justify any game time and it's hard to believe he's showing up in training either.

We've got guys on the bench like Levitt who we've paid a fee for, he's already proven he can change a game in this league, but we brought on Tavares in the hope that he can turn his fortunes around.



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Get him out on loan in Jan. in the meantime Rudi should have his spot.

Too lightweight for me

:top marks

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Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee

I was at the game today, I seen a young guy come on as a sub, he done alright, was not expecting him to win the game for us, perhaps that will happen in time, but rather than listen to some of the experts on here I will listen to the manager. If he thinks the guy can play then that is good enough for me.
It was an interesting game and on another day we win by 3 or 4.
Things will take time but I see signs of something good happening.
GGTTH

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Probably the same way there's a space between being Messi and offering nothing at all there's a space between what Tavares actually offered today and literally nowt.

He was fine. Wasn't great and wasn't anywhere near as bad as is being made out.

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Couldn’t disagree more.

He offers even less than Euan Henderson, and he was rightly shipped out on loan.

I think Montgomery is persisting with him out of necessity more than choice. What is the alternative when Youan needs rested/dropped? Playing both our left backs at the same time? Think we’ll have to carry him until January and hope he needs carried less and less each week. Loan him out in January and either promote a youngster or get cover in on loan.

I think we’re into Drey Wright territory with Tavares where we’re talking up doing the basics.

As an aside, is Whittaker now the only cover for Boyle?

Dunno, the lad has a decent turn of pace. If used correctly that alone could see him do well in our league.

He’s about the squad because we have a lack of options in that position IMO.

A wide player will be one of the first signings, if not the first, Montgomery makes in January.

Dunno, the lad has a decent turn of pace. If used correctly that alone could see him do well in our league. Definitely could offer something.
Or I just want him to succeed because he has cool hair

https://i.postimg.cc/mrY7mnFw/IMG-0864.jpg

Clearly has skill, clearly missing confidence, clearly is very lightweight and gets pushed off the ball often. Is his potential worth the investment to drop him into the first team? What’s the best way to develop his confidence otherwise? Can he improve on his on ball strength? All I know is that NM and his team have a better idea than probably most people on here. Safe hands!!

I can't say I've seen anything promising from him in the 50 minutes or so in the match he started against St Johnstone and today was much the same . Didn't make any sort of impact in the games at all . Has been poor imo .